Indonesia Approves Death for Pedophiles

a reply to: Leonidas

If there is semen found in a child and there is a DNA match to a suspect i think in those cases its safe to say its 100% case closed.

Good for Indonesia.

I'm more than okay with this. Next stop, India.

Interesting. I thought child prostitution was one of their biggest sources of income.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
This law would never pass in the US. Think of all the politicians, execs, Hollywood producers, cops, actors and powerful individuals involed in unspeakable kiddie stuff.
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- a great execution method for pedos is attaching all 4 limbs to 4 different horses and pulling in different directions or just running wildly.
- or Vietnamese roulette, similar to Russian Roulette, except instead of one chance to die, you have 4, and one chance to live. ... (keep playing until dead..... imagine how mentally forked that would leave someone
Kiddie lovers deserve it.)

(Just my theory here)

Child molestation laws are the reason child molestors hold positions of power. They are protected from persecution and their desires fed in exchange for following orders. Should they stray from their script, their actions and predilixtions will be exposed. If it was legal/accepted, there wouldn't be so many of them in power. You'd have cannibals or some other deviant evil for the powers behind the powers to control.

a reply to: AmericanRealist

I don't condone pedophilia but Indonesia would execute a goat if it strayed to a neighbors lawn.

Indonesia has a brutal justice system. Yes Rapists and pedophiles do deserve punishment but death? Execution is escape from punishment. Chemical Castration? well thats debatable. This is a country that has life sentences for drug offenses.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: NthOther

Lets just not rile them up on this ok?? A lot of them were abused as kids themselves so I am certain they have no problem seeing pedos die.

That's a pedophile's excuse. In my work history I've seen both sides of that coin. The previously abused have in e past suffered as much as their current victims. In the past... When you become an adult you make choices for yourself. Pedophilia is a choice, irrelevant how your history has presented the act to you. Offenders that were victims call it a learned behaviour. So is being a civilized person. Once you come into your own and run your life you get to choose who you are and how you'll act. Deciding to carry the touch and pass on the terror isn't built in you, it's a choice. If a judge said tomorrow "Heterosexuality is illegal, you all must conform to being homosexual as of tomorrow." I will break the law and go to great lengths to hide it as not to be arrested. This takes a lot of thought and invested time on ones part. Anecdotally, some offenders were offended upon, yes definitely not something they could control, but now they have the control. I say bring on the punishment. It will give second thought a chance in those who were offended upon to think about weighing out the consequences of their needs. In my opinion those who put the needs of anything other than the kids first have some shadows lurking in the past creeping up on them.

a reply to: PsychNurse

ok empathizing with their pain is a pedo excuse now I see?? How about this for an excuse: stay on topic. I was trying to convey that without being so overt, but I suppose I can spell it out.

On another note, it is important when we put these people down for death, that we do not get an enjoyment from it, or drawing out their pain with torture. One would only be actively corrupting their own soul from such thoughts and actions. We must take the simplest most efficient execution process, and that is a single bullet to the brain. If we delegate psycho torture for pleasure upon these animals, we would only succeed in turning someone else into an animal. Behavior that "feels good" has a habit of becoming routine and repeated.

What happens to the person doing the torturing after a dry spell of pedos to slaughter?? If they did it long enough to enough people, they may not want to stop even if their job has no work. That individual may decide to take it to a personal level to alleviate the pent up stress from a lack of "work" . Thus we trade one group of monster for another.

Spare the human souls of corruption. Stick to simple efficient single step processes for capital punishment, use a single bullet.

a reply to: AmericanRealist

Massive dose of morphine would be better.

Zero pain.

Or a massive dose of anethesia like you would a sick dog.

Honestly don't know why you bother with complex drug cocktails for the lethal injection in the states. The above would do the job painlessly enough.
Don't even know why you have to find doctors to do it either, any one that can find a vein can be trained, hell a good career path for ex junkies!

a reply to: crazyewok

true. I alwys beleived lethal injection used the methods they did simply for profit reasons. The morphine would certainly be less messy, but more expensive. A .22 can do the job with proper placement in a controlled setting, which is what death penalty is. It costs under a quarter.

Isn't a lethal dose of morphine going to cost at least $100 ??

a reply to: AmericanRealist

Probably but $100 not much really as your not going to be doing by the millions.

a reply to: crazyewok

ahh but then you would be making the morticians job easier. He needs to at least apply a little bit of work to the face and earn that money!

a reply to: thebtheb

How do you know that executing these vermin would not be a deterrent? I always here you bleeding heart types try to make that argument, yet you have absolutely zero statistics to back up your misled assumptions.

I know this much, that particular vermin will not be abusing anymore children ever again, get it yet? I doubt it. ~$heopleNation

Drink driving laws don't effectively stop drink drivers. What makes you think these laws are going to stop someone acting on urges that are very likely stronger than the mere stupidity that has people drive under the influence?

All this torch burning and pitchfork waving actually inhibits the discussion that should have happened generations ago. The medical/healthcare industry needs to be able to study paedophiles and child molesters.
They need to be able to define what causes it.
If we can find the cause, we can develop treatment or perhaps define who is treatable and who needs to be permanently removed from society.

Some child molesters undergo treatment and never re-offend. Others refuse treatment and spend life behind bars. Others are released and re-offend multiple times. There has to be a reason for this.
We study most criminal groups so the judiciary can make an educated decision in regards to treatment of the offender.

Right now we have people who downloaded porn of "The Simpsons" being charged with the same offense that child porn downloaders/consumers get. We have 18 year olds who had sexual intercourse with their 17 year old partner being charged with the same offense and even sometimes more harshly than a child molester.

The kind of ranting and raving that is going on here is counter productive to the extreme. It stands to reason that you are endangering lives.

Frankly, most of this thread can be summed up in three words, "Let's kill them". Ok we've heard it. Personally I would rather know the cause. If we can define the cause we may be able to also predict who is going to molest a child. We will have a better idea of who will offend, re-offend, poses a threat and who should be behind bars for life (or executed).

When you evoke social conscience, when you start waving your pitchforks and ranting like a lunatic, you inhibit progress, study and learning. This kind of crap kills people.

There might be genetic markers that define someone is prone to such attraction and can be treated, we don't know. While you carry on like this, nothing will change. We will never find out, that is not only utterly stupid, but is dangerous as well.

Stop and think people. Not only is your ranting de-constructive and inhibiting actual protection of children, but Indonesia also cannot be trusted to enact this law in good faith. I'd hazard a guess and predict that Indonesia will use this to execute political dissidents and those that speak out against them. They are corrupt, innocent people die at the hands of that government already.

Do the world a favor and think before you open your mouth.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: odzeandennz
This law would never pass in the US. Think of all the politicians, execs, Hollywood producers, cops, actors and powerful individuals involed in unspeakable kiddie stuff.
____________________
- a great execution method for pedos is attaching all 4 limbs to 4 different horses and pulling in different directions or just running wildly.
- or Vietnamese roulette, similar to Russian Roulette, except instead of one chance to die, you have 4, and one chance to live. ... (keep playing until dead..... imagine how mentally forked that would leave someone
Kiddie lovers deserve it.)

Not to mention all the liberal minded anti-death penalty folks, who'd scream something about "unfair punishment" and "human rights"

Agreed.

Personally I believe an individual relinquishs their human rights when they ignore those of another human.

That said, I truly believe that pedos aren't born as such. I think they develop into the monsters they are based on whatever environment allowed such mentality to flourish, much like all other "monsters" like them (sociopaths, psychopaths, murderer's, etc.)

Society should be focusing on HOW and WHY this happens, rather than allowing it to happen and reactively dolling out an act just as terrible as the crime committed. It's irresponsible and almost criminal really not to stem this (or any other) crime from a proactive stand point.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not making an excuse for this behavior. I just don't think a death threat will really make much difference. Especially when nothing is done to prevent such behavior.

Murder is illegal, and many US states and other countries have the death penalty. Yet murder still happens in those places. Clearly the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent. However, it is quite effective at limiting expenditures for convicts by removing them from existence.

I truly believe that the right people know how and why this happens. Why and how paedophiles and murderer's and the like, grow into who they are. No one is born Hitler and no one is born Gandhi. We grow into who we are based on the environment which shape's us.

My experience with dealing with such behaviours in my line of work is that these "monsters" are usually victims themselves. Usually from a young age suffering varying forms of abuse and trauma themselves. People have to learn it from somewhere.

But then what causes that abuse and trauma to occur...and on and on and on...let's just blame Adam and Eve at that point if we are looking to blame anyone.

Our global society as a whole is VERY sick. Thing is, we CAN fix it, but it would require a lot of effort from everyone.

And I believe a few people have already stated, TPTB likely don't want to solve these problems, because then will have a sane society. And when you have a sane society, they tend to be awake and nearly impossible to control with fear and the like (I.e. difficult to build armies and justify mass murder via war).

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Tigers and lions are not born to prey on humans. But the odd one does start preying on human and as lovely and precious as those cats are they need to be shot for public safty as once they start veiwing humans as as viable food source they will continue to attack.

Same with paedophiles. Doesn’t matter what broke them. Fact is once broke they can’t be fixed and need either putting down or locking away with ZERO HOPE OR CHANCE of EVER setting foot outside of a maximum security prison while they draw breath.

a reply to: AmericanRealist

Disgusting that a gang of men have to tie up a fourteen year old girl...(and we talk about feminization of males?)
Maybe they need some "feminization" in order to have some guts.
That said, I applaud this decision. The only thing that would make it better is if death were mandatory for the packs of sub-humans roaming free, doing this to children.

a reply to: Sparkymedic


All that is true but I think more so than even that a "gang mentality" becomes responsible and makes people do things they would not do if they were alone. No excuses. They should all die long and painful deaths. I don't really care who started it and how they ended up being that way. They need to be finished off. End the cycle.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: AmericanRealist

I don't condone pedophilia but Indonesia would execute a goat if it strayed to a neighbors lawn.

Indonesia has a brutal justice system. Yes Rapists and pedophiles do deserve punishment but death? Execution is escape from punishment. Chemical Castration? well thats debatable. This is a country that has life sentences for drug offenses.

Best reply here.