Salon's Pedophile Agenda MUST BE STOPPED

a reply to: reldra

oh that's it. just start using the word troll.... see how that work now you get to call me names to associate my position with trolling..

its so ludicrous. I will not respond to you again.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

There is a very basic difference between same-sex attraction, different gender identification and pedophilia.

The only difference I see is - - one has a victim

A basic and horrific difference because child molestation destroys lives EVERY TIME.

Pedophilia and acting on the urge - - are two different things.

Pedophilia is a pathology that initiates child sexual abuse. Mr. Nickerson said himself that as long as a 5 year old "initiated" contact he would have sex with her. That negates every bit of his claim to being "Virtuous" in my opinion.

Would that not mean there is a victim? That's what I said.

A Pedophile acting on his urge will result in a victim.

Its the only difference I see between the sexual orientations.

ALL of them have sexual urges. Only one acted upon has a victim.

We make a clear distinction between rape and consensual sex in our society, no?

We go as far as to claim that rape has nothing to do with sexual desire and everything to do with pathological needs (to violence, to control, etc.).

I see no value in equating sexual orientation (which also involves a good deal more than merely sexual attraction and desire) with pathology.

In fact, I see that equation as very dangerous and unfortunate.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: reldra

oh that's it. just start using the word troll.... see how that work now you get to call me names to associate my position with trolling..

its so ludicrous. I will not respond to you again.

I very rarely use it. So when I use it, I mean it. You waste people's time with nit picking. And thank you for ceasing to reply.

a reply to: reldra

I do, I think it could ALL be related, when I read this and he said it was something deep in his head, I saw a connection, is it that we are accepting mental illness, and by doing so do a disservice to all those many people, this is not a judgment but an observation.

One poster points out pedophilia is a mental illness, at one time all these sexual deviations from the norm were considered a mental illness,

a reply to: Gryphon66

ok thanks for clarifying. Now we got that settled.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

There is a very basic difference between same-sex attraction, different gender identification and pedophilia.

The only difference I see is - - one has a victim

A basic and horrific difference because child molestation destroys lives EVERY TIME.

Pedophilia and acting on the urge - - are two different things.

Pedophilia is a pathology that initiates child sexual abuse. Mr. Nickerson said himself that as long as a 5 year old "initiated" contact he would have sex with her. That negates every bit of his claim to being "Virtuous" in my opinion.

Would that not mean there is a victim? That's what I said.

A Pedophile acting on his urge will result in a victim.

Its the only difference I see between the sexual orientations.

ALL of them have sexual urges. Only one acted upon has a victim.

We make a clear distinction between rape and consensual sex in our society, no?

We go as far as to claim that rape has nothing to do with sexual desire and everything to do with pathological needs (to violence, to control, etc.).

I see no value in equating sexual orientation (which also involves a good deal more than merely sexual attraction and desire) with pathology.

In fact, I see that equation as very dangerous and unfortunate.

It is actually both. The article I posted actually says it is dangerous to lump urge and act together from a therapy and research point of view.

The person has a mental disorder and ios oriented to something.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: reldra

I do, I think it could ALL be related, when I read this and he said it was something deep in his head, I saw a connection, is it that we are accepting mental illness, and by doing so do a disservice to all those many people, this is not a judgment but an observation.

One poster points out pedophilia is a mental illness, at one time all these sexual deviations form the norm were considered a mental illness,

... and thank you for proving the exact point that I am making, Stormdancer.

Sexual "deviations" are mental illnesses, right? Or are you just "raising the question"?

The answer is no. Millions of people worldwide are gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans* who commit no crimes and have no intention to commit any crimes. They do no harm or psychological damage to anyone.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

There is a very basic difference between same-sex attraction, different gender identification and pedophilia.

The only difference I see is - - one has a victim

A basic and horrific difference because child molestation destroys lives EVERY TIME.

Pedophilia and acting on the urge - - are two different things.

Pedophilia is a pathology that initiates child sexual abuse. Mr. Nickerson said himself that as long as a 5 year old "initiated" contact he would have sex with her. That negates every bit of his claim to being "Virtuous" in my opinion.

Would that not mean there is a victim? That's what I said.

A Pedophile acting on his urge will result in a victim.

Its the only difference I see between the sexual orientations.

ALL of them have sexual urges. Only one acted upon has a victim.

We make a clear distinction between rape and consensual sex in our society, no?
.

I don't think rape has anything to do with the discussion you're having with me.

Unless you want to claim rapist is an orientation.

People compare pedophilia with types of sexuality.

I formally give up.

Can't argue with people who think that way.

Well, if anyone ever wants me to shut up and leave, just start defending pedophilia and comparing it to homosexuality or heterosexuality.

That'll ####ing do it every time.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
What is your intention to claim, contrary to current medical science, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation?

They flat out state they removed pedophilia as an orientation due to pressure.

In the face of significant criticism of its inclusion in the DSM-5, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has stated its intention to remove the term Pedophilic Sexual Orientation from the diagnostic manual.

I believe it will some day be reinstated.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

It is relevant. Normalizing all sexual deviancy is part of the program to destroy the family.

You'll notice that Spot's fiancee left him? Another natural intimate relationship destroyed by the acceptance of sexual deviancy.

It's planned. It's social engineering.

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Bluesma

I don't care what he says...he should go to a therapist not make a video about it. What is he hoping to achieve by doing this?

If people don't make it clear that he's vile and it's unacceptable then what, probably the first of many, oh it's okay to be an out-pedo now, I might aswell share my shame online.

Everyone needs to see that! In fact, we should show it to newborn babies immediately, yes, this is gooooood tolerance of alternative blah blah.

Yeah...I reckon reality will hit hard long before that happens in the west. People have stated in previous threads that they would possibly react angrily or even violently if they caught a man using a girls toilet.

That's the thing about reality...it saves upt he hurt. The most of us accept that, it sometimes sucks.

I wanted to be a Shaolin monk, and always felt like one...insiiiiide!

I felt Chinese, it was hard to fit in. but I took that reality like a MAN! I owned it...I now own me, I'm a good me...I like me, I don't always get what I want and have learned how to handle it like a man. I take those little ounces of pain meted out by reality on a regular basis...it just bounces off me now it hardly hurts at all.

But the seriously deluded and deviant among us live in fantasy land...where their lives are about excess, pleasure, hedonism....it's all fun and games dodging those tiny drops of reality.

But when the bubble burts you get what you're due. The maternal instinct will trump even the most lustful and beautiful of fantasies.

You totally lost me ! I have no idea where you went there.

I don't see how any of that makes sense. But the more you and I can understand this disorder, the better our chances are of recognizing it when one is in front us.

"Know your enemy" is a very useful principle.
I'm glad some of them turn enough to give me insider information.


Women being open about their experiences with Post partum depression didn't make it socially acceptable to kill your infant - it helped women recognize what it was before doing such acts, and get help!
I just am not a fan of taboo - there is too much evidence that it is not effective in opposing anything.

a reply to: reldra

From a therapeutic point of view, yes. Dealing with a pathology in therapy is not aided by pointing out that it is a pathology.

The focus is on behaviors and ways to control behaviors, and finding ways to diminish the associated psychic pain.

We aren't talking about a purely therapeutic viewpoint here though; this is about the attempt to politicize pedophilia and child abuse and equate it with sexual orientation and gender identity.

THAT is why I feel we have to maintain the clear distinction that is made in the newest medical definitions and vis-a-vis the law.

Make sense?

originally posted by: Greggers

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www.menstuff.org...
Approximately 95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct said they had been victimized by female staff. In 2008, 42% of staff in state juvenile facilities were female. (Bureau of Justice Report)

Perhaps you could tell me more about this study. It sounds like it was in a clinical setting, which of course would not be the norm for most cases of molestation.

The bureau of justice statistics report:
www.bjs.gov...

Are you trying to say that because these woman worked in juvenile faccilities that this does not show you how woman are just as likely to be guilty of these sort of things. That somehow working in a juvenile faccilities changes this is someway exempting woman from this?

One thing is crystal clear. It completely denies your claim that the most woman usualy do is accidentally letting pornographip material lay around where children could find it. Reality certaintly is a far cry from that as is shown in this report.

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More women (58%) than men (42%) are perpetrators of all forms of child maltreatment. (Child Maltreatment: Facts at a Glance CDC)

originally posted by: Greggers
Of this I have no doubt, since they are much more likely to be primary custodians. However, these numbers pertain to child maltreatment in aggregate, not to the specific crime of sexual molestation.

Yep but it does include them. Combined with the previous report i linked you it gives you a lot more of a realistic look into things.

Also , you have your doubts just because a judge is more likely to give custody to woman? That also is a byproduct of the stigma that you perpetuate by automaticly assigning blame to men.

One in six adult men reported being sexually molested as children, and -- in a surprise finding -- nearly 40 percent of the perpetrators were female, a new study found. (Source Link)

originally posted by: Greggers

Note that they call the finding "surprising." That supports my point that the vast majority of studies indicate that men are more often the perpetrators. Also, since this data focused on the recollections of men, it is worth pointing out that other memory related studies quantify a significant difference in the number of females vs. males molested. victimsofcrime.org...

They find it surprising because the general concencus is that female do not commit these sort of crimes. The fact that you and others here have been automaticly been talking as if it is only exlusive to men is proof of this. You mention pedophilia and as you have shown yourself in this very thread you automatically only implied men unitl someone else corrected you on it but even that took a few attempts. Now you are finnaly pressented with evidence to the contrary and now all of a sudden it is not valid because it is based on the witness acounts of men who had been abused as a child by woman.


interesting.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Stormdancer777

It is relevant. Normalizing all sexual deviancy is part of the program to destroy the family.

You'll notice that Spot's fiancee left him? Another natural intimate relationship destroyed by the acceptance of sexual deviancy.

It's planned. It's social engineering.

Then it's been around since the dawn of time.

There have always been homosexuals, bisexuals, trans* folks as well as pedophiles, necrophiles and zoophiles.

How long do you think the "engineering program" has been going on?

10-20,000 thousand years?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I dunno.

Did they have mass media back then?

a reply to: Gryphon66

You make sense to me.

And I don't think ThirdEyeOfHorus is a troll (someone else suggested this and I just wanted to note it).

What an interesting discussion!

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Gryphon66

I dunno.

Did they have mass media back then?

Let's be specific: are homosexuality, bisexuality, trans* identities part of the "social engineering" you're talking about?

Or not?

originally posted by: geezlouise
a reply to: Gryphon66

You make sense to me and I don't think ThirdEyeOfHorus is a troll.

Just sayin.

What an interesting discussion!

Thanks, glad you're enjoying the discussion.

I haven't called anyone a troll. Some of us just don't' seem to be able to communicate with each other though.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Stormdancer777

It is relevant. Normalizing all sexual deviancy is part of the program to destroy the family.

You'll notice that Spot's fiancee left him? Another natural intimate relationship destroyed by the acceptance of sexual deviancy.

It's planned. It's social engineering.

Who's program? What program? Stormdancer talks about a guy who likes to dress up as a puppy and has a partner who calls himself his 'owner'. Odd, yes. But they are 2 consenting adults.