Salon's Pedophile Agenda MUST BE STOPPED

originally posted by: WinstonianThe newest leftist agenda, is to normalize and promote pedophilia as a sexuality instead of a mental illness. The left would have you believe that it is normal, and it is okay, as long as you do not act upon it.

Well, actually, that's not what "the left" wants you to believe at all. It's actually quite simple: the left - at least this representative of that huge fraction - feel that the Law should be obeyed. The Law - at least UK law - is very clear on this, you may want to read the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Engaging in sexual contacts with children will get you sentenced for life.

So, regardless if it is a disease, disorder, sexuality, whatever: it's a crime.

As such, it's a bit like the desire to kill sombody: you can feel the urge - but you aren't allowed to.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Gryphon66

The topic is the politicization of pedophila and child abuse.

Thee topic is Salon.com a very LEFTIST online magazine publishing this.

Ohhh..I was unaware we were politicizing pedophilia...

Shall we list the number of RIGHT WING politicians that have been convicted of Pedophilia?

With most recently the Trump Elected Delegate and son of the former Vice Chair of the GOP in Maryland being indicted for producing and distributing child pornography?

WTF...Lets go all in this election season and accuse the other side of being Pedophiles!!

I am less concerned with who wins this election than I am with what will be left of our national discourse.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When are they going to normalize cannibalism?

Soylent Green, anyone?

Here's your answer: Build a death chamber they can walk into and kill themselves after they discover their orientation is pedophilia?

Why do that when you'll gladly take them into your home!

You do know that's a really stupid response, don't you?

I'm not the one defending pedophilia!

But to answer your question, I wouldn't use a gas chamber when a bullet is much more economical.

Pretty sure I was very clear that sexual orientation is determined by the brain.

That efforts to change homosexuals to heterosexuals was a complete failure.

Which logically means the orientation of pedophilia can not be changed. Which means they need professional help and support.

NO WHERE DO I DEFEND THE ACT OF PEDOPHILIA

So...homosexuality is like pedofilia?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

I am a very succinct poster. I don't see where I left room for interpretation.

Annee, I don't want to pile on with the rest of the folks trying to accuse you of something that isn't true, but pedophilia is not considered a sexual orientation.

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.

Wikipedia - Pedophilia

It's not a sexual orientation; it's pathology.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, all ideation occurs in the brain. Even bad ideation.

You might be even closer to the truth than you think. Metaphysically speaking, everything on the physical is a projection of the mind. Origen taught the pre-existence of the soul, and scientific materialists explain things as all being rooted in the material.

a reply to: Annee

So? You genuinely don't understand, do you?

Here's a thought...what do you think if a man left his child with a trusted family member or friend...came home and found said trusted family member or friend in a bathroom, cracking a sly one off at the wrist because he had urges regarding the child?

I reckon ex-trusted family member or friend would be taking a plunge through a window or something of that nature. People don't reallt care what's causing it, what part of the body or how.

If it's gonna potentially molest their children then they will obviously want to stop it. People were able to get help for this for years without this guy making his video, without salon publicising it. I don't trust him to help anyone.

If he has to masturbate to relieve his urges then he's the one who needs help. You wouldn't trust a bunch of lunatics to care for one another in an asylum, would you?

Nobody cares if it's his brain, don't compare it to any sexuality. Homosexuals ain't necessarily going to violate and harm a child...this isn't about sexual orientation or urge.

If someone's gonna harm your kid, most people are going to harm that person first...reality again. I don't always like it but in this instance, it's doing it's job.

Utterly disgusing, I always respected you in previous threads, I didn't agree but you seemed sincere and I got the feeling you just wanted to be nice and live and let live.

Oh well.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When are they going to normalize cannibalism?

Soylent Green, anyone?

Here's your answer: Build a death chamber they can walk into and kill themselves after they discover their orientation is pedophilia?

Why do that when you'll gladly take them into your home!

You do know that's a really stupid response, don't you?

I'm not the one defending pedophilia!

But to answer your question, I wouldn't use a gas chamber when a bullet is much more economical.

Pretty sure I was very clear that sexual orientation is determined by the brain.

That efforts to change homosexuals to heterosexuals was a complete failure.

Which logically means the orientation of pedophilia can not be changed. Which means they need professional help and support.

NO WHERE DO I DEFEND THE ACT OF PEDOPHILIA

So...homosexuality is like pedofilia?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

I am a very succinct poster. I don't see where I left room for interpretation.

Annee, I don't want to pile on with the rest of the folks trying to accuse you of something that isn't true, but pedophilia is not considered a sexual orientation.

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty

It's not a sexual orientation; it's pathology.

I used 'orientation' as 'being oriented towards', not as a medical term. I do recall that one version of the DSM has it classified as an 'orientation', briefly, but with disclaimers. It was edited to remove orientation and to clarify their stance in more succinct medical terms.

I think Anee's idea is similar.

DSM Classification and plan to revise (Dated 12/2014)

That article pretty clearly states very similar ideas to what myself and a few others have stated.

a reply to: samerulesapply

I don't mean to interrupt, but, although I disagree with Annee on her definition ... she is not defending pedophilia.

She is making the statement that pedophiles do need treatment.

She is pointedly NOT justifying child abuse.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When are they going to normalize cannibalism?

Soylent Green, anyone?

Here's your answer: Build a death chamber they can walk into and kill themselves after they discover their orientation is pedophilia?

Why do that when you'll gladly take them into your home!

You do know that's a really stupid response, don't you?

I'm not the one defending pedophilia!

But to answer your question, I wouldn't use a gas chamber when a bullet is much more economical.

Pretty sure I was very clear that sexual orientation is determined by the brain.

That efforts to change homosexuals to heterosexuals was a complete failure.

Which logically means the orientation of pedophilia can not be changed. Which means they need professional help and support.

NO WHERE DO I DEFEND THE ACT OF PEDOPHILIA

So...homosexuality is like pedofilia?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

I am a very succinct poster. I don't see where I left room for interpretation.

Annee, I don't want to pile on with the rest of the folks trying to accuse you of something that isn't true, but pedophilia is not considered a sexual orientation.

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty

It's not a sexual orientation; it's pathology.

Remember Homosexual was once determined to be a mental illness.

A few years ago there was a report from scientists suggesting Pedophile was a sexual orientation.

The backlash from the Christian Right was fierce. They then retracted suggesting it was an orientation, and reworded it as a mental dysfunction or something like that.

Science is funded by grants. You don't piss off the "granters".

I think Relda will verify that this happened.

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It is my belief (from years of reading/research) that it is an orientation and someday will be recognized as such.

Until then, the ICK factor, prevents that.

Did you read my article? www.medicaldaily.com...

a reply to: Indigo5

I never said GOP politicians haven't been. You may not have understood what said poster was doing and how he was twisting my post. I reiterate, pedophilia is not ok on any level, political spectrum, or religious or non religious affiliation.
I maintain that the Salon article is just part of a bigger scheme of cultural Marxism.

a reply to: reldra

I understand.

It is very important to draw distinctions between sexual orientation/gender identity and paraphilias, between consensual acts and coercive ones.

As we can see here, many are all too eager to conflate the two for their political agenda.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When are they going to normalize cannibalism?

Soylent Green, anyone?

Here's your answer: Build a death chamber they can walk into and kill themselves after they discover their orientation is pedophilia?

Why do that when you'll gladly take them into your home!

You do know that's a really stupid response, don't you?

I'm not the one defending pedophilia!

But to answer your question, I wouldn't use a gas chamber when a bullet is much more economical.

Pretty sure I was very clear that sexual orientation is determined by the brain.

That efforts to change homosexuals to heterosexuals was a complete failure.

Which logically means the orientation of pedophilia can not be changed. Which means they need professional help and support.

NO WHERE DO I DEFEND THE ACT OF PEDOPHILIA

So...homosexuality is like pedofilia?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

I am a very succinct poster. I don't see where I left room for interpretation.

Annee, I don't want to pile on with the rest of the folks trying to accuse you of something that isn't true, but pedophilia is not considered a sexual orientation.

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty

It's not a sexual orientation; it's pathology.

Remember Homosexual was once determined to be a mental illness.

A few years ago there was a report from scientists suggesting Pedophile was a sexual orientation.

The backlash from the Christian Right was fierce. They then retracted suggesting it was an orientation, and reworded it as a mental dysfunction or something like that.

Science is funded by grants. You don't piss off the "granters".

I think Relda will verify that this happened.

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It is my belief that it is an orientation and someday will be recognized as such.

Until then, the ICK factor, prevents that.

Did you read my article? www.medicaldaily.com...

True. Again, here is the link Dec 2014 DSM to remove Orientation from Pedophilia and clarify.

This article is a clearly written source as to differences between urges, actions, the law and that those with urges never acted upon need treatment and not be stugmatized. Several people in this thread have mentioned they would kill those that have simply had the thoughts.

I used the term 'thought Crime' several times yesterday. We all know where that goes.

a reply to: Gryphon66

She is saying it's an orientation...who said this, exactly?

I don't think it's always down to sexuality, is it? Or sexual urges, maybe sometimes it's about power, control, domination, ineptitude, lack or morality, empathy.

It's not an orientation, it's an abomination.

Annee is responsible for herself. Like I've said before, people sometimes can't admit they've been on the silly bus and want to get off.

Nobody will mock, laugh or be snide about it if people are honest. who cares if some deviant responds by calling you a bigot? you being persecuted by a small number of people in the meantime is a small sacrifice to make.

Annee, what scientists said this?

Who are they? Are they famous scientists?

Who funds their research? I want to know so I can research what other ludicrous claims they've made.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When are they going to normalize cannibalism?

Soylent Green, anyone?

Here's your answer: Build a death chamber they can walk into and kill themselves after they discover their orientation is pedophilia?

Why do that when you'll gladly take them into your home!

You do know that's a really stupid response, don't you?

I'm not the one defending pedophilia!

But to answer your question, I wouldn't use a gas chamber when a bullet is much more economical.

Pretty sure I was very clear that sexual orientation is determined by the brain.

That efforts to change homosexuals to heterosexuals was a complete failure.

Which logically means the orientation of pedophilia can not be changed. Which means they need professional help and support.

NO WHERE DO I DEFEND THE ACT OF PEDOPHILIA

So...homosexuality is like pedofilia?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

I am a very succinct poster. I don't see where I left room for interpretation.

Annee, I don't want to pile on with the rest of the folks trying to accuse you of something that isn't true, but pedophilia is not considered a sexual orientation.

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty

It's not a sexual orientation; it's pathology.

Remember Homosexual was once determined to be a mental illness.

A few years ago there was a report from scientists suggesting Pedophile was a sexual orientation.

The backlash from the Christian Right was fierce. They then retracted suggesting it was an orientation, and reworded it as a mental dysfunction or something like that.

Science is funded by grants. You don't piss off the "granters".

Relda can verify that this happened.

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It is my belief that it is an orientation and someday will be recognized as such.

Until then, the ICK factor, prevents that.

I do remember that homosexulaity was once considered pathological 40 some odd years ago, Annee.

All too well. Perhaps even better than you do. I also remember the electroshock, the incarcerations, the lives ruined because of that designation, not to mention the fact that it was also illegal.

There is a very basic difference between same-sex attraction, different gender identification and pedophilia.

A basic and horrific difference because child molestation destroys lives EVERY TIME.

I want to think that your accusers here are wrong.

You're clear on the absolute difference, though, aren't you?

a reply to: reldra

Thanks. And it plainly states it.

In the face of significant criticism of its inclusion in the DSM-5, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has stated its intention to remove the term Pedophilic Sexual Orientation from the diagnostic manual

a reply to: samerulesapply

I understand some confusion; I'm a bit confused at the moment.

But I do not read Annee or Reldra or anyone else here defending or excusing child molestation (or pedophiles).

I think it's unfair to make the connection when that's not what they're doing or saying.

originally posted by: samerulesapply

Who funds their research?

Apparently the "Christian right" does, if they were so concerned with the DSM that they had it changed under financial threat.

For some reason, though, I don't believe that the "Christian right" does a whole lot of scientific funding in this area.

Why on Earth would I think that?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When are they going to normalize cannibalism?

Soylent Green, anyone?

Here's your answer: Build a death chamber they can walk into and kill themselves after they discover their orientation is pedophilia?

Why do that when you'll gladly take them into your home!

You do know that's a really stupid response, don't you?

I'm not the one defending pedophilia!

But to answer your question, I wouldn't use a gas chamber when a bullet is much more economical.

Pretty sure I was very clear that sexual orientation is determined by the brain.

That efforts to change homosexuals to heterosexuals was a complete failure.

Which logically means the orientation of pedophilia can not be changed. Which means they need professional help and support.

NO WHERE DO I DEFEND THE ACT OF PEDOPHILIA

So...homosexuality is like pedofilia?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation determined by the brain.

I am a very succinct poster. I don't see where I left room for interpretation.

Annee, I don't want to pile on with the rest of the folks trying to accuse you of something that isn't true, but pedophilia is not considered a sexual orientation.

Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty

It's not a sexual orientation; it's pathology.

Remember Homosexual was once determined to be a mental illness.

A few years ago there was a report from scientists suggesting Pedophile was a sexual orientation.

The backlash from the Christian Right was fierce. They then retracted suggesting it was an orientation, and reworded it as a mental dysfunction or something like that.

Science is funded by grants. You don't piss off the "granters".

Relda can verify that this happened.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is my belief that it is an orientation and someday will be recognized as such.

Until then, the ICK factor, prevents that.

I do remember that homosexulaity was once considered pathological 40 some odd years ago, Annee.

All too well. Perhaps even better than you do. I also remember the electroshock, the incarcerations, the lives ruined because of that designation, not to mention the fact that it was also illegal.

There is a very basic difference between same-sex attraction, different gender identification and pedophilia.

A basic and horrific difference because child molestation destroys lives EVERY TIME.

I want to think that your accusers here are wrong.

You're clear on the absolute difference, though, aren't you?

I have to agree here, I want to think I'm picking her up wrong. I don't think Annee is a bad person, maybe I was a bit harsh. I don't think she is an advocate of people being hurt in any way, she doesn't fit that MO given previous threads.

Think I'll bail on this one, no winners, only bad blood.

Apologies, I'm out.

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Gryphon66



It's not an orientation, it's an abomination.

It is impossible to debate if you use terms medical professionals do not.

The DSM did label it as an orientation at one time, but never intended that acting upon it be normal or legal. The OP states there is a 'liberal agenda' to do so.

We should stick to what the OP presented. What they presented is highly inaccurate, hyperbolic and only helped their own Youtube channel and podcasts.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

There is a very basic difference between same-sex attraction, different gender identification and pedophilia.

The only difference I see is - - one has a victim

A basic and horrific difference because child molestation destroys lives EVERY TIME.

Pedophilia and acting on the urge - - are two different things.