Charlotte Observer: Girls must overcome ‘discomfort’ of seeing ‘male genitalia’ in locker ro

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: shooterbrody

Yup superstitious because trans kids have been protected under legal precedence from title 9 for years. The Olympics, junior Olympics etc already have dealt with this. Colleges already have diversity officers etc. The only thing your law is, would be a distraction. It will soon be shut down by the federal court and you'll loose funding for schools over your superstions.

Like I said in 10 years I have never once seen any nudity issues pop up and kids have never used the showers. So... Again your fabricating a problem that doesn't exist.

There is also a difference between nudity and sexual exposure. Something I guess some religious folks can't tell the difference of. Perhaps because everything arouses them?

Take the time to read the law. Nudity between same sex kids in a school is not an issue, nudity between opposite sex kids is a crime. Anyone who aids or abets this would also be charged.
I in no way tried to make this about anyone other than MINORS.

You think schools are going to let a trans minor use the restroom they identify with, without medical documentation?

A trans minor is NOT going to expose the part of them that make them different. They would be horrified.

If anyone is at risk, it is the transgender child - - - from obnoxious bullies trying to "get a peak".

That is the child that needs to be protected.

I think both the kids deserve to be protected.

Kids need to be protected.

A trans kid is NOT going to expose themselves.

That is ridiculous paranoia, promoted by the "holier-than-thou" Right.

What you think they will do or not do has nothing to do with the current law in NC.
It is only ridiculous until some kid gets arrested for breaking that law.

Your paranoia is showing.

If any kid gets arrested, doubt its gonna be the trans kid.

a reply to: Annee

ids need to be protected.

A trans kid is NOT going to expose themselves.

That is ridiculous paranoia, promoted by the "holier-than-thou" Right.


Then why did the Left decide that's what needed to be done. HUMMMM!!

a reply to: luthier

i probably need to clarify something, but i'm not sure what

i'm not afraid of anything

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

If a jerk (trans or not) came into the womans locker room and swung his dick around for all to see, I would be offended and probably tell a teacher.

However, if a student (trans or not) came into the womans locker room to change and his peen accidentally was exposed, I would be mature enough to know he/she did not mean for this to happen and go on with my life, happily, as if nothing happened.

Which is reasonable enough under those circumstances, and probably what I would do myself.

The thing is - what exactly is in place now that is "preventing," this? Am I not correct when I say that a man can easily gain entry into a woman's restroom and vice versa?

People are going crazy speculating on the "what-it's," and the tried-and-true "FOR DA SAFETY OF MAH CHILDREN111!!1!," about this topic and it's ridiculous.

"Small government," conservatives won't be happy until there are armed guards and eye scanners at each and every restroom, I swear. And democrats are just as bad, the American culture truly shames me at times. Why do these people feel the need to be recognized and accepted by everyone - who most of simply don't give a damn about others personal lives - and create turmoil such as this, and why do others resort to blowing it out of proportion?

It is a bathroom, restroom, washroom.

You're not there to make friends. You're not there to check the other people using the restroom out. You're definitely not there to take in the ever so embracing atmosphere of toiletry, or at least I'd hope not.

And I know one thing, I'm certainly not there to glance a quick peek at complete strangers using the restroom then becoming outraged over it.

Because that's all that would happen. Don't get me wrong - there are probably numerous instances of criminal activity happening within restrooms, but it's suddenly just become an issue now - and it's now the "trans," people we should be afraid of?

I can't believe this has actually become an issue in today's society, but I don't watch any television so I'm not caught up to what the new trendy fads are.

a reply to: Annee

Kids need to be protected.

A trans kid is NOT going to expose themselves.

That is ridiculous paranoia, promoted by the "holier-than-thou" Right.

originally posted by: mikell
Then why did the right decide thats what needed to be done. HUMMMM!!

Not sure your point.

Constitution gives 1 person the same right as a million.

All must have the Equal Rights to use the restroom of the gender they identify with - - - for health reasons - - - to eliminate human waste.

Spent the morning in HR meetings to sort out some things before interviews for summer help next week. Can't write much but we can put dots on the paper.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
The thing is - what exactly is in place now that is "preventing," this? Am I not correct when I say that a man can easily gain entry into a woman's restroom and vice versa?.

This is mostly about students, kids in school.

That's where all this fuss started. Actually, a 5th grade transgender student.

The Fundies are blowing it up with their particular brand of paranoia, per usual.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: shooterbrody

Yup superstitious because trans kids have been protected under legal precedence from title 9 for years. The Olympics, junior Olympics etc already have dealt with this. Colleges already have diversity officers etc. The only thing your law is, would be a distraction. It will soon be shut down by the federal court and you'll loose funding for schools over your superstions.

Like I said in 10 years I have never once seen any nudity issues pop up and kids have never used the showers. So... Again your fabricating a problem that doesn't exist.

There is also a difference between nudity and sexual exposure. Something I guess some religious folks can't tell the difference of. Perhaps because everything arouses them?

Take the time to read the law. Nudity between same sex kids in a school is not an issue, nudity between opposite sex kids is a crime. Anyone who aids or abets this would also be charged.
I in no way tried to make this about anyone other than MINORS.

You think schools are going to let a trans minor use the restroom they identify with, without medical documentation?

A trans minor is NOT going to expose the part of them that make them different. They would be horrified.

If anyone is at risk, it is the transgender child - - - from obnoxious bullies trying to "get a peak".

That is the child that needs to be protected.

I think both the kids deserve to be protected.

Kids need to be protected.

A trans kid is NOT going to expose themselves.

That is ridiculous paranoia, promoted by the "holier-than-thou" Right.

In today's America and depending on where I was eating at, if I had any children I would absolutely go with them to the restroom and I wouldn't give a damn less if it's the "wrong gender." I'm so tired of this rampant division that people are being spoon-fed.

Why are people obsessing over which restrooms people use?

Seriously weird... bathroom fetishes... I think I'm going to stop using public restrooms from now on. The notion of random people checking me out to see what I'm packing, then getting incredibly butthurt, "outraged," or whatever then proceeding to get on the Internet to cry would be a bit too much for me to handle.

In the year 2016, we as Americans are discussing bathroom policies - and of course - there is quite a bit of "poop-slinging," involved. Now that's a TERRIFIC pun.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: RomeByFire
The thing is - what exactly is in place now that is "preventing," this? Am I not correct when I say that a man can easily gain entry into a woman's restroom and vice versa?.

This is mostly about students, kids in school.

That's where all this fuss started. Actually, a 5th grade transgender student.

The Fundies are blowing it up with their particular brand of paranoia, per usual.

My goodness, the horror.

This is great. I'm adding this to my list of "conservative logic," and yes - I have one that's "liberal logic," although I scratched off logic and put "FEEEEEELZ," instead.

You cannot deny the absurdity of both camps on this, but bare with me.

Conservatives talk of how cannabis (disregarding the hemp industry simaltenously, also) should remain illegalized. It's a drug. Potential for addiction. Lethargic, unmotivated responses for some. Potentials of misuse. "Gateway drug," although anyone who cares for rational drug policy clearly knows alcohol/tobacco hold the crown of the gateway drugs. The moral fiber of this nation is collapsing. Etc etc

Guns. Well, it's our right - and of story, and something I agree with. I cannot control other people, nor do I want to, and this is a big nation. There is inevitably going to be happenstances of violence and in the current structure of our nation...? Why are we surprised, again, that these things happen? Do we not actually realize the implications of being FATHOMS behind other first-world nations in silly little non-essential liberal things like education, infastructure, healthcare, etc etc? Anyways - nothing negates the 2nd amendment, albeit I have my own personal qualms that I honestly don't feel like getting into at the moment.

But I have to ask - which is more dangerous, cannabis - and again, this is important because MANY folks completely (and purposefully) ignore the hemp industry and the myriad of benefits that come from said industry - or guns? Believe it or not, I've been told that "pot," is more dangerous than guns. What kind of logic is that... a tool that's entire purpose is meant to kill, inflict harm, maim, intimidate - and it does serve its purpose, live on a farm, it's the most humane way of killing any animal - or a plant... it's just insane. Conservatives rally against cannabis and the hemp industry just the same as liberals rally against guns and the manufacturing industry. And no more peddling the "dey're COM'N 4 mah GUNZ," a great deal of conservatives are supporting that very same government by voting for Donald Trump. The gun industry is positively booming and has steadily under the Obummer administration.

The same applies here, too.

Out of all of the mass shootings and the empirical evidence regarding gun violence - it stands to reason, "shall not be infringed."

An incident occurs with a transgender fifth grader and suddenly the "small-government," conservatives come along to show that there NEEDS to be some sort of legislation to combat this atrocity and diabolical plan to indoctrinate our children.

It's just too funny anymore. Back when the Bundites were igniting the flames to the "2nd American Revolution," these clowns were calling for (their words, not mine) "bloodbaths," in respect to not only local but also federal agents/officers, but we're also saying their "last words," to their family - and people were supporting them! It was insane! These people seized control of federally owned property and - well, they got what they asked for, what they promoted, and what they wanted.

And then these same people turned around and absolutely decried and denounced the actions of citizens in inner cities who rioted against police! The constant flip-flop has been noted and the roller coaster seems to get better at every turn. I can see why many of these people appeal to Trump, he too flip-flops on many issues, speaks without thinking, back peddles on many issue and their own words, and loves to point the finger and shift blame to everyone but themselves.

It's actually pretty funny haha

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: shooterbrody

Yup superstitious because trans kids have been protected under legal precedence from title 9 for years. The Olympics, junior Olympics etc already have dealt with this. Colleges already have diversity officers etc. The only thing your law is, would be a distraction. It will soon be shut down by the federal court and you'll loose funding for schools over your superstions.

Like I said in 10 years I have never once seen any nudity issues pop up and kids have never used the showers. So... Again your fabricating a problem that doesn't exist.

There is also a difference between nudity and sexual exposure. Something I guess some religious folks can't tell the difference of. Perhaps because everything arouses them?

Take the time to read the law. Nudity between same sex kids in a school is not an issue, nudity between opposite sex kids is a crime. Anyone who aids or abets this would also be charged.
I in no way tried to make this about anyone other than MINORS.

You think schools are going to let a trans minor use the restroom they identify with, without medical documentation?

A trans minor is NOT going to expose the part of them that make them different. They would be horrified.

If anyone is at risk, it is the transgender child - - - from obnoxious bullies trying to "get a peak".

That is the child that needs to be protected.

I think both the kids deserve to be protected.

Kids need to be protected.

A trans kid is NOT going to expose themselves.

That is ridiculous paranoia, promoted by the "holier-than-thou" Right.

In today's America and depending on where I was eating at, if I had any children I would absolutely go with them to the restroom and I wouldn't give a damn less if it's the "wrong gender." I'm so tired of this rampant division that people are being spoon-fed.

Children should never need to be separated from their caregiver.

My 8 year old grandson goes into the women's room with me. I support daddy's escorting their daughters into the women's room.

I support opposite gender caregivers assisting their patients in the correct facility for patient.

Restrooms are not private sanctuaries away from home. They are a facility for human waste, to prevent health hazards.

Why are people obsessing over which restrooms people use?

This is mostly about trans students in school. You do understand transgender is how you are born, so there are very young transgender kids.

The Fundie Right blew it up in their particular paranoid way.

It mostly started with a transgender 5th grader, who was opening transgender in her school. A caregiver of another student objected. The school, which had been supportive, took the side of the objector. Parents of transgender student fought back through the courts. It made the media. Other trans students were outed, they fought back too.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: CaDreamer

i am a liberal...i am not for trans bathroom laws.... genitalia should dictate what restroom you use...not feelings

They don't understand that. They think that we do not understand their concerns for some reason.

Must be your utter disregard for them that is confusing.

At this point even the most crazy among you will admit that USA is rotten

a reply to: Annee

The Fundie Right blew it up in their particular paranoid way. 

Very few people that have an issue with the lack of commonsense this Tran situation is causing are "Fundies". You don't appear to have a clear understanding of how disconnected from reality you really are on this issue.

all bathrooms/showers/changerooms should be unisex with private stalls and that's the end of the debate. Thank you.

originally posted by: Onthebit
all bathrooms/showers/changerooms should be unisex with private stalls and that's the end of the debate. Thank you.

But what happens when a big bad scary trans woman comes into my stall?!?!

Clearly we need some sort of policing regarding bathroom. It is - for the safety of the children.

(I'm completely kidding)

originally posted by: Onthebit
all bathrooms/showers/changerooms should be unisex with private stalls and that's the end of the debate. Thank you.

Explain how that will win a re-election campaign?

You don't solve problems you create them that way they need you.

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Onthebit
all bathrooms/showers/changerooms should be unisex with private stalls and that's the end of the debate. Thank you.

But what happens when a big bad scary trans woman comes into my stall?!?!

Clearly we need some sort of policing regarding bathroom. It is - for the safety of the children.

(I'm completely kidding)

I wish the bathroom cops would make sure people flushed.....

Cops never seem to be there when you need them.


Stall patrol comes on after CSI in NC.

Don't worry it comes on after your kids should be in bed. Which is better than they do for Viagra commercials.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
I'll say again, if that's the stance, then have it across the board for everyone. Coed bathrooms and locker rooms everywhere. Make it a policy, that's the only equal outcome.

However, this dumbass solution and argument is putting it all on teens to handle it while you'll notice, adults aren't holding themselves to the same standards.

Yeah, just tell the 14 and 15 year old girls to deal with biological teen boys walking around their locker rooms nude, just get used to it. However, I'd wager if it was their wives in their posh country club locker room, # would hit the fan if a naked guy who identified as a woman walked around with his meat out.

There's something wrong with society when the solution is essentially to tell the kids to deal with something the adults themselves won't as again, if they would, we'd have coed everything. A nice coed locker room and sauna like in Germany.

Amen!!! Students have to put up with class clowns in the classroom that would just completely disrupt every class to the point we only covered half the material. Parents and teachers would tell them "oh that's just part of life, you just have get used to it." The same adults go to night classes to improve their education. The minute their course gets disrupted, those students abandon the course and apply for a refund.

I thank Babaji I never had to shower in school gym. My man-breasts would have made everyone uncomfortable. Ain't no getting used to some things.

Public bathrooms are already supposed to be uncomfortable. Why are we trying to make them anything but nasty, filthy, smelling places we should want to avoid.

It's always been a place of hold your nose, avert your eyes, and get outta there!

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Annee

The Fundie Right blew it up in their particular paranoid way. 

Very few people that have an issue with the lack of commonsense this Tran situation is causing are "Fundies". You don't appear to have a clear understanding of how disconnected from reality you really are on this issue.

Believe what you wish.

I doubt many will agree with you.