OKAY. I'm going with Jill Stein if I can't go with Bernie

a reply to: xuenchen

A true "Socialist" would question the high salaries of the college employees?

Ummm, why would we?

Just go with Hillary if you don't want Trump. That's what it boils down to.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy
And, in case you were unaware, the
'single payer health care' that Canada enjoys was actually started as an experiment in one province.

Now that experiment ("pilot program") has national ramifications for Canadians.

It'll be interesting to see what happens if Colorado State Health Care System, Amendment 69 passes.

Maybe history will repeat itself and Colorado will turn out to be the United States' Saskatchewan.

Why not just write in Sanders? It's not like Jill Stein is getting elected.

Jill Stein: The Democratic Party 'fakes left,' marches right

Stein's third party bid for the presidency is centered on student debt, climate change and opposition to the economic and political establishment -- also focal points for the Sanders campaign, a similarity Stein readily acknowledged.

"I think we share very similar values and visions," Stein said. "I just happen to be working in a party that supports those values and those visions."
Sanders has made changing the Democratic Party a key pitch to his voters. Stein's disdain for the Democratic Party is key to hers.
"I have long since thrown in the towel on the Democratic and Republican parties because they are really a front group for the 1%, for predatory banks, fossil fuel giants and war profiteers," Stein said.

source

The bid D is corporate politicians, Green is non-corporate or more simply put, for the people!

Although I love to see these 3rd party candidates give it a shot, and her views on the environment are honorable, we have to be honest about it. The majority is not ready to give up their party and Jill Stein has no chance at the presidency this election.

With the state of the country and our government, we are not going to have an ideal candidate. Ever. Not until we can clean it up. Maybe in 50 years or so, we will have more ideal candidates to vote for. But if we continue to let corrupt people like Hillary run the country, it's only going to get worse and you can count on never having anyone like Jill Stein even coming close to a high office such as the Presidency.

Besides, she's a socialist. Sorry people but this will not happen with anything short of a violent revolution. If you want Socialism, there are plenty of countries like Venezuela and North Korea that you might want to immigrate to.

originally posted by: Domo1
Why not just write in Sanders? It's not like Jill Stein is getting elected.

A write-in for Sanders is the same as a vote for Trump. That's the way the system works.

a reply to: Pyrrho

Besides, she's a socialist. Sorry people but this will not happen with anything short of a violent revolution. If you want Socialism, there are plenty of countries like Venezuela and North Korea that you might want to immigrate to.

Wait....yeahh.....no, this statement you made? It's a propagandist lie. That won't fly here (welcome to ATS).

Those are not countries practicing Democratic Socialism. In fact, you live in a Democratic Republic that relies heavily on "socialist" infrastructure and quality of life guarantees.

Do a simple ATS (or browser of your choice) search - and meanwhile:



Just was on my way out, overheard your alarmist bunkum, and thought I'd point that out....I'll just leave it there.


..........

Beer run - anyone need any?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Yes, I'll take a couple wiesens

a reply to: Blue Shift

A write-in for Sanders is the same as a vote for Trump. That's the way the system works.

So is voting for Stein.



Don't tell OP my devious plans.

a reply to: Pyrrho

Give up their party?

The more we see of the Dem party the harder it is to stomach the the corrupt beast.


Both parties showed their true corporate ties in this years primary.

We need a Pirate for President! Aye!

Socialism/ liberalism has never worked correctly in this country. That is why I would never vote for a socialist/ liberal. Everything I have observed about socialism/ liberalism is they want to give everyone, everything without any thought as to how to pay for their pie in the sky ideas. IMO voting for Socialist/ Liberal is just a wasted vote. Democrats are just as bad, but they have the money to bully there way into a election.

I will have to go with Trump, and rip the bandage off. All the rest will keep pulling a little and stick it back on a little once they find a spot on you thats nice and hairy.



Any unemployed hippy can have their voice heard from their parents basement.

They are trying to escape the student loan debt they were sold, and they are pissed.

Square up with them and they run away quickly. Just hoping to influence the world enough to forgive their bad decisions.

In walks the burn and hitlary.

Why do you think the target the young and dumb?

Because they haven't worked yet.

They don't have a knowledge of gov yet.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: xuenchen

A true "Socialist" would question the high salaries of the college employees?

Ummm, why would we?

Well why wouldn't a true "Socialist" question salary inequalities?

Just think of the education opportunities if the Professors would work for much less and balance the teeter totter.

a reply to: xuenchen

Woops! See? I saw "she misses the point" and ASSUMED that you were talking about me - and it turned me off so much I refused to read it.
That is how some conservatives are, too ---

like DB thinking this is all about him, when it isn't.
But I've made clear to you before, xuen, that you are enigmatic -- consistently so, and despite my repeated requests, I've only been answered with further injury.......you talk out of both sides of your mouth; on one side dissing liberals, and on the other trashing ....well, I guess mostly liberals. And sometimes you say something back-handed like "don't give up" or



I've asked you directly if you are simply being a wise-ass troll/wannabe standup comic, but you don't answer. So - for those reasons, I don't take what you say seriously anymore. And BTW, you been thinkin' about what your new "sig" will say??? You only have 8 months left to blame everything on Obama.

Just sayin'. I don't pay attention to you anymore.
Tried it once. Twice shy.

I don't trust you. ANd I don't find you particularly amusing.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well OK.

I quoted something directly from the OP and it was 100% on topic.

No direct discussion is fine with me.

Your Ad-Homs are getting worse it seems. Great tactic to muster support for Jill Stein.

Tally-Ho

The problem with most of us in being able to reach a consensus is that we all have different interpretations of the lingo that is thrown around willy nilly by each other, by the media pundits, and even by politicians, i.e., a 'social democrat' as opposed to a 'democratic socialist', or, a 'capitalist' vs. a 'crony capitalist'.

When most Americans hear the word 'socialism' in any context, we think of Big Government, Big Taxes, Wealth Redistribution, and Income Equality. For those of us that are true capitalists, those words make us cringe.

When some Americans hear the word 'capitalist', they automatically assume greed, income inequality, and lack of government protections, because they are actually thinking "crony capitalism' rather than true capitalism.

America is actually somewhere in between all of that already. We are already a mixed economy of socialism and capitalism. I think our argument is how far either way do we, as a nation, want to take it.

I looked up Jill Stein. Lots of the usual promises, Big Dreams, socialistic rhetoric about the usual emotional feel good rah-rahs of "we're going to do this and we're going to do that" and "we need to do this and we NEED to do that"... but very sparse on the economic "hows".

Socialism in any form means enormous taxes, slower economic growth in the private sector due to more government regulations, taxation, and government spending. But, our educational system has been pushing this point of view for decades now, and colleges and universities are inculcating it into young ideologically eager minds that are vulnerable due to a lack of real experience and independent thinking ability.

It takes real strength to be an independent thinker through all of it. It is too easy to succumb to the lemming syndrome.

a reply to: xuenchen

Was there some reason you came here? You all know how you are. You come in here, where you clearly can stir up crap, and then when you've thoroughly trashed the place, you have the audacity to blame me for throwing the party.

Always keepin' it classy, aren't ya, xuen?

yup.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

TRIGGERED

a reply to: queenofswords

The younger generation sees the need for socialism and is not afraid of the word.


Hence the high number of millenials the are backing Sen Sanders.


Look out for those pinko commies, vote for McCarthy, lol's!!!!!!!!!!!