OKAY. I'm going with Jill Stein if I can't go with Bernie

a reply to: DBCowboy

The Constitution doesn't lay out an economic system.

a reply to: DBCowboy

They don't call the new environmentalist movement Watermelons for nothing!

Wow! Some of her economics made Bernie look like Einstein by comparison.

a reply to: xuenchen

And what? It's fallacious.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

The Constitution doesn't lay out an economic system.

No, because it was never meat to aside from making sure the state governments didn't meddle. You want separation of church and state? While the intent was separation of government and economy just as much except that the Founders thought this was self-evident.

a reply to: Kali74

It absolutely is.

The bone of contention here is "how do we set a floor so that as many people as possible are housed, fed, educated and receive non elective medical care?"

Before we spend another red cent on Foreign aid and investment, or any new military adventures, any expansion of federal police powers and authority, and so on, we should figure out how to provide the basics to most Americans.

Beyond that? I completely agree! An excellent teacher definitely should be paid more than a sportscaster, or pop-star who doesn't write their own music. A great writer is worth infinitely more than a derivatives banker, and politics should pay absolutely nothing above what the representative loses by not working their own job while congress is in session.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

Taking power from the leash holders of the Legislators seems pretty anti authoritarian to me.

It's what I've endorsed forever.

Reduce government, reduce government influences, reduce government control.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

The Constitution doesn't lay out an economic system.

Correct.

But it restricts government control over individual freedoms.

a reply to: xuenchen

Why would it? Americans simply need to vote smarter and recruit people to run for office. A government by the people is hard work and we've gotten lazy. Instead we let the richest private citizens put forth candidates for us but these new legislators etc... don't listen to us only their pimps, they vote in laws that their pimps write for them. Repeal their laws and replace common sense restraints on the pimps and voila, liberty.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And what individual freedoms does Socialism restrict?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Before you can reduce the government you have to leash the ones who control the government... Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big AG and BANKS.

a reply to: ketsuko

Your point is what? That Socialism is a form of government? Nope.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s



I'm with ya!

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

And what individual freedoms does Socialism restrict?

Rights to property for starters, again, I've only read on it, I couldn't begin to tear into it without making myself look more like an idiot.

I'll leave the Constitution and socialism to smarter people.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

Before you can reduce the government you have to leash the ones who control the government... Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big AG and BANKS.

But you want to have government do that.

Are you beginning to see the problem here?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

Before you can reduce the government you have to leash the ones who control the government... Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big AG and BANKS.

But you want to have government do that.

Are you beginning to see the problem here?

It kind of has to be government because government caused it.

How do you stop big pharma and the big insurance companies to reduce medical costs? As the system is right now, you have to pass laws or have some kind of regulations or something. Otherwise things will never change.

It's like Tesla...They can't sell cars the way they want to because big auto dealers have bribed goverment officials so that unless they make showrooms just like all the other car companies they can't sell. Why should it be that way? Let it be an open market. If I want to buy a tesla I should be able to.

It would be nice to not have government involved but big socialist government got us into this. You either have to pass or repeal laws to get us out of this mess.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Property is allowed in Socialism.

a reply to: amazing

But it's like trying to get government to vote itself a pay cut.

Realistically, it'll never happen.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There really are two kinds of human on this planet:

"No no no!" and "Yes yes yes."

That is the root of every problem, I'm afraid.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

Property is allowed in Socialism.

That's the thing. Socialism "allows" for private property.

All property should be private. I don't need a god-damned government to tell me what can and can't be private.

(apology for the cursing)

originally posted by: Kali74

The Constitution doesn't lay out an economic system.

Well there are debates.......

The Constitution as an Economic Document


Economic Interests and the Adoption of the United States Constitution


^^^^^warning ... possible intellectual material.