Republicans have the bathroom issue backwards

originally posted by: network dude

I'd be interested in seeing how bad transgenders are treated in NC as opposed to CA, where this study happened. you don't need to find that one, I just think it would show a different story than your narrative wants to see.

So would I, let's find out. California, taking care of it's diverse population.

January 1, 2014

Governor Brown Signs Historic Transgender Students Bill into Law. New Law is First of its Kind in the Nation SACRAMENTO—Today, California Gov. Jerry Brown signed the historic School Success and Opportunity Act (background) into law, ensuring transgender youth have the opportunity to fully participate and succeed in schools across the state. Assembly Bill 1266—which goes into effect on January 1, 2014—was authored by Assemblymember Tom Ammiano and passed the California State Senate and Assembly earlier this summer. The law is the first of its kind in the country, and restates existing California and federal law making sure students can fully participate in all school activities, sports teams, programs, and facilities that match their gender identity.

California Becomes Easiest Place for Trans People to Amend Birth Certificates

2nd Bill - - CA’s AB 1121 goes into effect on January 1st, 2014 - - This new law will make legal name and gender changes more accessible in California.

The first part of CA’s AB 1121 goes into effect on January 1st, 2014, read on to find out what that might mean for you! By Sasha Buchert, Staff Attorney In 2013 Transgender Law Center co-sponsored AB 1121 (along with Equality California), a bill authored by California Assemblymember Toni Atkins. This new law will make legal name and gender changes more accessible in California. The first phase of this new law will go into effect on January 1, 2014, when transgender people born in California will be able to obtain a gender marker change on their birth certificate through a simpler administrative procedure rather than through a court order. (To change the name on a birth certificate, a certified copy of a court order granting the name change will still be required).

transgenderlawcenter.org...

But, trying to deny it's mostly the "Family Value's" (Christian Fundies) crowd behind all this anti-LGBT Equality/Rights? Nice try.

Of course there's a group forming to overturn this CA Transgender Student's Bill. They're siting Dr. McHugh.

a reply to: Annee

but, the last post, where you linked to a study that showed 70% of transgender people interviewed had been abused or mistreated due to restroom issues was in CA. I guess I am confused as how such a liberal state, with such liberal people in it, could be so damn mean. In NC, sure the right wingers would oppose it, but instead of being violent, they would just pray for you. (it's how they roll in NC)

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Annee

but, the last post, where you linked to a study that showed 70% of transgender people interviewed had been abused or mistreated due to restroom issues was in CA. I guess I am confused as how such a liberal state, with such liberal people in it, could be so damn mean. In NC, sure the right wingers would oppose it, but instead of being violent, they would just pray for you. (it's how they roll in NC)

Can you please provide that link?

Are you talking about this?

In a study from UCLA’s Williams Institute, nearly 70% of transgender people said they had experienced verbal harassment in a situation involving gender-segregated bathrooms, while nearly 10% reported physical assault. time.com...

originally posted by: network dude
In NC, sure the right wingers would oppose it, but instead of being violent, they would just pray for you. (it's how they roll in NC)

They roll with anti-rights laws.

NOTE: the "bathroom bill" was shoved through in a secret session. I am aware it was not voted on by the people of NC.

Does not change the fact that the majority of those pushing anti-LGBT are Christian Fundamentalists (not all Christians).

Stephen Starr was murdered on February 15, 2011, in Hickory, NC. The confessor, a 19-year-old who was living with the victim, told a 911 dispatcher he murdered Mr. Starr because he was gay.

Michael Nelmark, a gay, 21-year-old UNC-Wilmington student was attacked in downtown Wilmington, NC, where a group of men accosted the student on the street during the early morning hours of June 25, 2011.

On July 14, 2011 a 27-year-old man was walking on Patton Ave. in Asheville, NC, just after midnight when he was attacked by a group of four people, thought to be between the ages of 16 and 20. The victim and police report that the assailants believed he was gay because of how he was dressed; however he is heterosexual.

On February 11, 2012, two women in their early twenties perceived to be lesbians were assaulted in Boone, NC, near Appalachian State University. The assault included anti-gay epithets. Each woman experienced facial injuries that required medical treatment.

equalitync.org...

a reply to: Annee

I really do get this. NC is made up of predominantly Christians. I include myself in that group. Not all (as you said) believe the same things, but a lot do. The fact that people have different opinions is something that has shaped our country since it's inception. The fact that nobody who argues on your side seems to grasp that NC is not CA, baffles me. The South is a very different place, with very different ideals than other places in the world. And your version of right, isn't the same as some other persons version of right. I would hope you believe what you say, otherwise, it would be pointless. But to not understand that the other point of view exists and to the other side, seems just as valid to them, is wrong.

Change happens slower here. Racism (while it exists everywhere) is leaving, but at a slower pace than other spots. But it is happening. If I came in and had the power to push my beliefs on you, I guarantee you would be upset and push back with all you had. It I was in the majority, would that make you wrong, or just of a different opinion?

NC is the way it is, because of it's people. And the people who live her seem to like it. There is no law stating you must stay, like it or not. You can go to a more progressive area and live if that's your thing.

Imagine of the whole world was like NC and you didn't have a say in things. You would be in hell with the liberal attitude you have. Luckily, you are able to reside in a place that suits your beliefs.

I think it all comes back to this. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The world isn't perfect, by to us, NC is as close as it gets. The people in Florida might thing the same thing. (about Florida)

If you don't want things you don't want shoved in your face, try to be tolerant and not do the same thing to others. Even if you think they are wrong. The world will come around to changing in due time, just as it has always done.

(not sure if you know this, but in NC you aren't allowed to have slaves anymore, everyone is free to drink from the same fountains and ride wherever they like on the bus)

originally posted by: network dude
The fact that nobody who argues on your side seems to grasp that NC is not CA, baffles me. The South is a very different place, with very different ideals than other places in the world. And your version of right, isn't the same as some other persons version of right. I would hope you believe what you say, otherwise, it would be pointless.

Consider I am 70 years old.

Consider when I was in public school (in CA) in the 50s, Christian prayer was mandatory. If you were Jewish, you kept your mouth shut and went along. The Pledge was mandatory. Dresses were mandatory for girls.

I was ostracized for having a single parent. There were no blacks in our school. A few Mexicans, but they kept to themselves. The main street of my city actually had big over head banners at each end boldly stating "No Negroes after Dark".

When you ran around the neighborhood, every mom was your mom - - and you got spanked accordingly. They only called your parents if it was really serious.

Our City Councilman got arrested for molesting teenage girls. That was about as scandalous as it got.

Everyone went to Christian Church every Sunday (as far as I knew). You knew your mailman, your local bus driver, etc.

Never heard of drugs, homosexuals, or any of that until after I graduated high school.

Maybe not as culturally entrenched as the south, but never heard of Liberals growing up. There was "the other side of the tracks" - - but, they stayed where they were, and we stayed where we were. We did not mix.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: network dude
The fact that nobody who argues on your side seems to grasp that NC is not CA, baffles me. The South is a very different place, with very different ideals than other places in the world. And your version of right, isn't the same as some other persons version of right. I would hope you believe what you say, otherwise, it would be pointless.

Consider I am 70 years old.

Consider when I was in public school (in CA) in the 50s, Christian prayer was mandatory. If you were Jewish, you kept your mouth shut and went along. The Pledge was mandatory. Dresses were mandatory for girls.

I was ostracized for having a single parent. There were no blacks in our school. A few Mexicans, but they kept to themselves. The main street of my city actually had big over head banners at each end boldly stating "No Negroes after Dark".

When you ran around the neighborhood, every mom was your mom - - and you got spanked accordingly. They only called your parents if it was really serious.

Our City Councilman got arrested for molesting teenage girls. That was about as scandalous as it got.

Everyone went to Christian Church every Sunday (as far as I knew). You knew your mailman, your local bus driver, etc.

Never heard of drugs, homosexuals, or any of that until after I graduated high school.

Maybe not as culturally entrenched as the south, but never heard of Liberals growing up. There was "the other side of the tracks" - - but, they stayed where they were, and we stayed where we were. We did not mix.

I'm only 47, but where I grew up (Cleveland suburb) is was much like that. It's funny, I think times like that were amazing and I was lucky to have lived in such a good time. We didn't have any black families around us, so instead of being racist, we were kind of dumb when it came to interaction. Like kids in preschool who haven't been taught to be racist yet.

I guess some see the benefit of a mindset like that, and some would rather have the world as it is today.

I'm old fashioned, think prayer isn't a bad thing, the pledge should still be said in school, and while I don't attend church, I don't see a problem with those who do. Those old fashioned family values you mentioned seemed to do a good job bringing up a generation. At least from my perspective.

originally posted by: network dude

I guess some see the benefit of a mindset like that, and some would rather have the world as it is today.

It wasn't real. Everyone played a role. Few ever truly expressed who they were or their dreams. They just played a role. They went through the mundane's of every day life.

I was just always a little bit different.

Except for a few things I much prefer today. It's like a flower opening up and realness is coming out.

We don't fit in little boxes. There's so much diversity we can celebrate.

originally posted by: network dude

I'm old fashioned, think prayer isn't a bad thing, the pledge should still be said in school, and while I don't attend church, I don't see a problem with those who do. Those old fashioned family values you mentioned seemed to do a good job bringing up a generation. At least from my perspective.

Prayer in public school? Which religion should that be? What if you are raising your child without God?

Children should pledge an allegiance? Why? To what?

Oops! Drifting - - - but, I have experienced different facets of life.

Republicans have the bathroom issue backwards

a reply to: caterpillage

Or how about we just have private transgender rooms for anyone who would like that and make all public places set up for it just like we did with handicap parking and oroblem solved right?

a reply to: Annee

It used to be to our country and so anyone who wants citizenship has to do that anyway so if they have a problem then what are they here for? Anyone born here who hates our country ... Well

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: caterpillage

Or how about we just have private transgender rooms for anyone who would like that and make all public places set up for it just like we did with handicap parking and oroblem solved right?

The thing is that you would be hard pressed to pick a transgender person out in a bathroom anyway. There is so much fear mongering and stupid decisions being made by places like Target going on that people are freaking over nothing.

What Target has done in allowing anyone to use any bathroom helps nobody. It reinforces women's fear over men coming into their private space. But the average male to female transgender person can go in and out unnoticed.

Things just need to go back to the way they were, there was no problem in the first place. The government and big business needs to just stay out of our restrooms.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Annee

It used to be to our country and so anyone who wants citizenship has to do that anyway so if they have a problem then what are they here for? Anyone born here who hates our country ... Well

Are you saying I hate this country because I don't think kids understand what Pledging to a country means? Or can really comprehend what it means?

The pledge written by a socialist, to increase subscriptions to a magazine. Originally written generically to be used by any country honoring their flag. (Originally: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.")

An innocent Pledge, adopted and twisted, for political purpose.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: caterpillage

Or how about we just have private transgender rooms for anyone who would like that and make all public places set up for it just like we did with handicap parking and oroblem solved right?

Transgenders do not need "special" bathrooms.

They also do not need to be forced to out themselves because of other people's paranoia.

originally posted by: markosity1973

What Target has done in allowing anyone to use any bathroom helps nobody. It reinforces women's fear over men coming into their private space. But the average male to female transgender person can go in and out unnoticed.

This is what Target actually said:

"We welcome transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity," - - "Everyone deserves to feel like they belong."

Republican here (though I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats that would feel the same)
This is like gun ownership, consumption of alcohol, having a child etc... If you have the right intentions, if your responsible, if you have a decent set of morales, the concerns are moot. None of the points are a given for the human race are they? How do you differentiate between the good and bad? I don't know. I have seen plenty of HORRIBLE parents that are still allowed to bare children. I have seen responsible gun owners that are not allowed to have guns (because their state doesn't allow or heavily limits.) to be honest, and I realize it's a double standard, if a women went in a men's restroom even with children in that restroom, I wouldn't be too concerned. I have a serious problem with a man going into a women's restroom with or without children already in that restroom.

McCrory

"And now, sadly, in our nation if you have disagreement and you’re on the wrong side of that disagreement, according to the thought police, you’re dispensed of. You’re exiled," he said. "I’ve even had some people call me, ‘Please don’t, governor, don’t show up to this event because I have people who disagree with you and we don’t want it.'"

"Society is changing quickly, and anybody who gets in the way is in trouble," McCrory said on The Big Show. "And I might be in trouble. I might be looking for a side job over here."

www.advocate.com...

Target is allowing them to use any bathroom they choose to.

Which is precisely what the boycott is all about.

This isn't even about gays and trans, however there is a certain agenda going on that is obscene. And no one wants it and no small percent of demonic beings, have the right to overcome the will of others and destroy what the majority have built and believe in.

www.rt.com...
This is something outrageous.

This is agenda!

We get the agenda and no amount of name calling, telling the majority they're extremists or religious fanatics for opposing this abuse and programming of our children is going to cut it with me.

I am never going to be politically correct and have more compassion for those in need than any of those pathetic monsters mismanaging this planet.

The gays and trannies may be blamed in the end for something that is designed to give access to children to any Ted Bundy donning a dress or a burka. Forcing us to give access to them.

It'll never happen.

It's a life and death issue and if needed and they don't listen to people, then armed self defense applies. And armed defense of others.

originally posted by: Unity_99
Target is allowing them to use any bathroom they choose to.

Let's get it correct, what Target actually says:

"We welcome transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity," - - "Everyone deserves to feel like they belong."

and all the bs that bad guys will dress like women to rape women is silly...since when does a bad guy need to go to such lengths to follow a woman into a bathroom and commit rape? Also the basic premise is wrong..rape is about control and dominance...what's so dominating about a man in women's clothing? Seems to defeat the issue. Rapists rape and they don't need to dress in women's clothes to do it.