CLAIM: Cell towers across USA broadcast brain resonance freqs 2 disrupt human minds, ... DARPA ...

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

In all fairness cancer rates have also been increasing over the last few decades is there any way to prove these frequencies are NOT the cause ?

On the other side of the coin, Royal Rife claimed to be able to cure cancer using specific, targetted RF frequencies...so one would assume the opposite could also follow.

Indeed....Rife was brilliant, perhaps also another reason he was shunned there were so many applications for his technology, just the military applications alone would be enough to want to steer the public down another path....

a reply to: BO XIAN

Considering the projects they are developing for various kinds of control it makes sense towers like this to be used. I just try to keep sane in my mind and dint harm innocent people. Otherwise cutting out from all society seems also a rigid movement. Yeah we save ourselves, but what about the others... its unlikely majority of human population (industrialized already) to leave its habits and start grow cabbages and drink spring water... We need solution... or bad-ass Rambo Shotgun.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: charlyv
a reply to: Hex1an
Except, perhaps that


1. both tend to radiate from a given point and a given frequency, wave form
2. both can influence living cells--sometimes dramatically
3. both can be very invasivea reply to: BO XIAN
4. both can be very irritating, troublesome to some people

But,
One is compression waves in matter (gas, solids and liquids), ~ 1200 feet per second in 1 atmosphere, >4800fps in water and solids.

The other is electromagnetic propagation of atomic particles. ~ 186000 miles per second, nominal.

In each, the waves travel at propagation speed, but the distance between them determines the frequency.

Which one do you think people can sense? Hint: with eyes closed, tell the difference between red and blue.

The intensity in each, how ever, can certainly kill you.

Wow, where to even start with this.

1) Paul Batcho.

Touted as a "former DARPA scientist" who "held a top security clearance", with a PhD from Princeton.

Wow, sounds good, right? He ought to know about this stuff, if he's real. First hurdle -he actually HAS a PhD from Princeton, in computational dynamics. That means he's great at figuring out how to code physics equations. And he did that for about six published papers, mostly around the time he got his doctorate.

You might have hoped he was versed in biology, or physics, but he's not. So, what did he do at LANL? He was a software QC guy. He vetted other people's code. A mid-level manager. And there was some coding on something that was near and dear to their hearts, in that he helped frame out a much cleaner and massively multi-processor version of a bit of code that we won't talk about, which was why the Q clearance. But again, not biology or physics, just a really nice bit of coding on something in 2004.

And for what it's worth, that was that. He left the community and went into bank calculations for investment management. He writes routines to analyze stocks. For the last 11 years.

But at least for once, someone's claims that someone had a clearance, a PhD and worked at LANL was correct! Even though he was a QC guy mostly. But if you're looking for someone up on fields or biology, it's not Paul Batcho. He can do you a mean Black-Scholes program, I'd bet. And he was into fluid dynamics for his undergrad stuff, so wing flow was probably a hot topic with the guy. So technically, yes, he's a PhD from Princeton but not in the topic at hand. But closer than the usual humanities guy that comes up with this stuff.

2) Bad claims

In the execrable Natural News 'article',

a) his insistence that civilians are being harmed by cell phone towers is likely to be true. The International Agency for Research on Cancer classifies cell phone tower radiation as a "probable carcinogen."

It's listed as 2B. Which means there's no real evidence that it is carcenogenic in either animals or humans. But there may be reason to keep a watch on it. However, Batcho's not talking about it giving you cancer so this is meaningless.

b) Unlike ionizing radiation, RF radiation is typically too low energy to cause direct damage to cells or DNA – except at very high levels found close to high-powered equipment like long-distance transmitters.

Cell tower antennas generally don't put out more than about 20W each. They don't need to do more, it's line of sight. You can't call it 'high power' at all.

NN is flailing around trying to add something of their own to Batcho's comments, but they are worse than he is at this stuff. Onto Batcho's letters...

a reply to: Bedlam

3) Batcho

a) "I seem to have stumbled across an advanced technology that I would classify as synthetic telepathy. It clearly uses the cellular towers to transmit illegal signals. It sounds unbelievable but it is actual technology being used on civilians of the US."

Why would he classify it as 'synthetic telepathy', and how does he even know it's there? I note that he never supplies any measurements, data, or indications that he knows how to go about measuring it, in any of his missives. Which is likely why he's being ignored. However, the inclusion of the term 'synthetic telepathy' probably means he's hearing voices. Again.

b) "My basic research does indicate that such technology can exist and dates back to the V2K (P300) mind wave technology of the 1970s. This does appear to be a much more advanced version that allows open communication of human mind to mind bridges."

That's an awfully detailed conclusion to draw given no data. The entire 'V2K' thing was an entry on a .mil wiki, btw. If you chase it down, it was an open wiki that anyone could contribute to, and the entire entry on 'v2k' was about five lines long. Again, the comment "human mind to mind bridges" sort of makes you wonder if he thinks people are reading his mind. You have to ask yourself how a 400-something-MHz signal suddenly connects minds together. And why would someone do this? What goal would that serve?

c) "Human brains appear to transmit and receive at the RF bands around 450MHz..."

Not that I've ever measured. And there's nothing in your head that would generate 450MHz waves, either. Nerves don't have any mechanism for doing this. It is true that there is a "window" in the frequency-vs-attenuation graph for people meat right around 440 MHz, which is why Frey used it. So you can get mid-400-something MHz signals into and out of a head easier than, say, 700MHz.

d) "There is a technology transmitting RF signals and communications at the human brain resonant frequency bands, and it is targeting individuals and groups."

EM resonance either requires a metallic structure with internal characteristics such that the wave 'fits' inside the thing perfectly, like you do with RF plumbing, or it requires inductors and capacitors. You don't have any of that with a head. Your brain can't "resonate".

e) "Ham radio operators are not allowed to broadcast at the 400Mhz to 700Mhz band."

Totally incorrect. 70cm is open to HAMS, and 400-800 MHz is used all the time for trunk radio. Not to mention that it's full of digital TV signals.

f) "These frequency bands do not exist naturally, and there is a technology targeting individuals."

What does this even mean? Of COURSE they exist naturally. This statement is so far from making sense that it's tough to believe he's saying it. Also, note the phrase "targeting individuals", which goes along with paranoid schizophrenia, and his other statements about 'synthetic telepathy' and 'mind to mind bridges'.

g)"I would like to bring to your attention that a technology derived from the patents listed below is being used in an illegal manner over the cellular and microwave towers in St Petersburg/Tampa/Orlando FL.

1992 and 1994 patents funded by DARPA,

US Patent # 5,123,844. June 23rd, 1992
US Patent # 5,289,438. February 22nd, 199

Except, 5,123,844 is about making bone replacements by forming calcium phosphate under pressure, and it's not a DARPA patent.

This is a mistake you see in the 'works' of Preston Bailey, and in fact, it looks like some of Batcho's stuff comes from there.

5,289,438 has to do with sounds being used to influence brain waves, and doesn't have anything at all to do with radio waves, although you also see Bailey make the same mistake.

My conclusion is - he's schizophrenic, hearing voices, and his research is being done at "TI" websites like Bailey's, from which he's picking up bad info like the 844 patent. Neither patent was funded by DARPA.

a reply to: Bedlam

My conclusion is - he's schizophrenic, hearing voices, and his research is being done at "TI" websites like Bailey's, from which he's picking up bad info like the 844 patent. Neither patent was funded by DARPA.

I want to second that.
Pseudo-Science at it's best.

originally posted by: sled735
a reply to: BO XIAN

Here are some videos that you people might find of interest:

And here are some interesting articles:
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I received this on in my e-mail, so I have to post it because of not having a link.

By Alex Pietrowski If you’ve ever wondered if the thousands of cell phone towers and electromagnetic signals permeating society nowadays could be potentially harmful to your body, mind and to the natural environment, you’re not alone. A small minority of people are so sensitive to electromagnetic radiation they’ve even been forced to move into cave-like domiciles designed to insulate them from such signals. We are, after all, energetic beings, as are all lifeforms, and although something may lie outside of our ordinary perception does not imply that it is harmless.
It turns out that electromagnetic signals from cell phone towers do in fact directly affect the human body in physical ways, and surprisingly, for amputees, common cellular signals can amplify sensations of pain in the body, when in the presence of such emissions.

A recently completed study led by members The University of Texas at Dallas gives concrete evidence that these types of now ubiquitous signals can actually amplify pain in some amputees by immediately stimulating nerve tissue that had suffered traumatic damage. Prior to this study, the bulk of research into cell tower radiation focused on people without any pre-existing conditions or serious health issues, however, when a disabled veteran who lost limbs in the Iraq war alerted his physicians to the fact that his sense of pain seemed to increase dramatically whenever his cell phone went into roaming mode, a study was launched to test this hypothesis on lab rats.

“Our study provides evidence, for the first time, that subjects exposed to cellphone towers at low, regular levels can actually perceive pain,” said Dr. Mario Romero-Ortega, senior author of the study and an associate professor of bioengineering in the University’s Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science. “Our study also points to a specific nerve pathway that may contribute to our main finding.” [1] This is the first study of its kind that has found a direct link to immediate physical changes in the human body when absorbing cell tower radiation.

“Until a recent study led by researchers at The University of Texas at Dallas was published online last month in PLOS ONE, there was no scientific evidence to back up the anecdotal stories of people, such as Underwood, who reported aberrant sensations and neuropathic pain around cellphone towers and other technology that produce radio-frequency electromagnetic fields.”
[1] To validate the wounded soldier’s claim that pain was amplified by cell tower signals researchers crafted a simulation using lab rats who were subjected to the types and levels of electromagnetic radiation that many of us are exposed to everyday.

“To test this, the team randomly assigned 20 rats into two groups — one receiving a nerve injury that simulated amputation, and the other group receiving a sham treatment. Researchers then exposed the subjects to a radiofrequency electromagnetic antenna for 10 minutes, once per week for eight weeks. The antenna delivered a power density equal to that measured at 39 meters from a local cellphone tower — a power density that a person might encounter outside of occupational settings. Researchers found that by the fourth week, 88 percent of subjects in the nerve-injured group demonstrated a behavioral pain response, while only one subject in the sham group exhibited pain at a single time point, and that was during the first week.”
[1] These towers are being installed across the world right now, right amongst densely populated areas and even on public school grounds. Cell phones have already been proven to cause brain cancer, yet the both the cell industry and the general public refuse to consider this sufficient reason to re-think the use and widespread proliferation of this technology. Now that we have evidence that cell tower signals can amplify pain, is it that unreasonable to consider that cell tower radiation may be causing other health problems that we simply have yet to identify?


[1] www.utdallas.edu...

"This article (Study Proves Electromagnetic Fields from Cell Towers Can Amplify Pain) was originally created and published by Waking Times and is published here under a Creative Commons license with attribution to Alex Pietrowski and WakingTimes.com. It may be re-posted freely with proper attribution, author bio, and this copyright statement."



And, another great video:

From Smartphone Entrainment to Wireless Surveillance, Data Mining and WIFI Frequency Wave Towers, the public is now paying for the very tools that will be used to control their every move and monitor their every thought, phone call, email, and emotion. Through the news blackout of the controlled corporate mainstream media an average person has little or no knowledge that the air we breathe is being loaded up with nano-particulates to form the basis of a gigantic worldwide antenna that will be hooked into all physical, organic matter and feed impulses into an Artificial Intelligence infrastructure.

I could add more, but I'm out of room. This should bring some of you skeptics up to speed with what is going on out there.

Moving this out where people can see it. www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: BO XIAN

Hey BO XIAN: Interesting thread, for sure. That this is a former DARPA research guy makes it riveting information being admitted, because these things have been asserted by others, many of them scientists, for many years. This gives me some pause, though:

IIRC, 20% of the population is reasonably immune to such manipulations. That leaves a lot of serfs and slaves very VERY vulnerable. Sigh.

Where did you pull this figure from, I wonder. "Reasonably immune?" In what respect? But to get to that, first we have to have an understanding of just what said frequencies could/do cause in the human brain/body. Much of this has been admitted to by the Army, and other agencies under the umbrella of the Department of Defense. They call it non-lethal weaponry. That's a real laugh, too.
tetra50

a reply to: tetra50

Sonic weaponry can indeed be lethal, but that is not it's "intended" function. Low levels confuse your senses, cause auditory distress, abdominal pain and headaches, but do not cause permanent harm unless the levels are increased. I won't vouch for any disclaimer to that effect, however.

RF emission weaponry, whole different story. Just like standing in front of a microwave tower, whatever gets to you, does damages somewhere, and certainly at different intensities. A directed RF transmission, like a Radar antennae, at close enough range, will destroy tissue... and they are not even weapons in that regard.

I would hope that any RF weapons, if they exist, will be deemed as illegal as chemical poisoning. This is a brave new world with some insanely brave new capabilities.

The real question is would a tin foil hat stop this ? Cause I would wear one if it would

a reply to: PeterMcFly
You wrote:
"Cell phone signal have a too long wavelength to interact strongly with micrometer sized neuron, unless they exhibit strong resonance, and they did not because we would see the absorption using a spectrum analyzer."

Who performed this 'resonance test' experiment/reading??
[ I don't understand why a spectrum analyzer is the main tool for detecting resonance.
'Thought Experiment' - Hypothesis: the human body perhaps is a bit too 'electrically' complex to have a simple resonance frequency. But, perhaps complex signal-waveforms could be constructed which ARE resonance with parts of the Human electrophysiology (collections of connected nerve pathways including the brain).
So, try building a signal.
[ Step 0.A) Select frequency ranges to use, and buy [low-power] transmitters, and corresponding receivers, and the hardware to which they will be wire-connected to.
Step 0.B) Maybe, transmitters positioned all around a small room, and receivers appropriately positioned.
]
Step 1) Slowly scan various frequency ranges and record which [if any] frequencies have any resonant effects, upon the person's body [[[ this is initially 'self' experimentation, using very very low power signals, and other safeguards ]]].
Step 2) Then, for each frequency X among the N frequencies [N= (1 to 5 or 10)] showing the greatest resonance effect, add a Secondary frequency component, slowly scanning (across frequencies, and, across X-relative-signal-amplitude [1/4, 1/2, 3/4], and across phase 'angle' to X [0 degrees, 15 degrees, 30, 45, 60, ..345, degrees]), to see if the Resonance effect increases compared to the resonance effect of frequency X alone.
Step 3) Then, maybe search for a third term for X.
If the Resonance effect still increases (with 3 terms, versus X alone and versus 2 terms), then maybe continue, perhaps up to 4, or 5, or 10 terms.
]
So who has the basic equipment? Would it really be so difficult to attempt, to do, such a 'Thought experiment' with hardware, on 1 or 2 volunteers [[very low power signals would be used, hopefully with power less than many consumer Blue Tooth devices]]. For 6, 8, 10 hours, on 1, 2 or 3 Sundays? Would it really be difficult to attempt??
And if success if found, this would be a 'Ground-Breaking' 'Basic Science Demonstration Project', for those alleging alleging that they are being subjected to Non-Consensual electromagnetic signals monitoring and assault of the human body and brain [ 500 - 2000 persons in the U.S., and many also in other nations; innocent, 'sane', ordinary persons, essentially 'just like you'].
]

a reply to: TheWhiteKnight
Regardless what this thing is putting out, it´s in a metalcase connected to earth potential, even the doors. What you get with this is a faraday cage. That´s the first thing, the second thing, if that makes you shiver, don´t turn on your computer. Because the signal you worry is 60khz(60.000Hz)...low energy... my CPU cycles at 4GHz, that´s 4.000.000.000 Hz. That´s 6666 times faster.