18 asylum seekers among 31 suspects in Cologne attacks

Same in the UK with regards to money. Our hospitals, police, armed forces etc have been cut to the bone but foreign aid is protected. Meanwhile we have thousands in north of England and Scotland homeless because of floods and the flood defence money has been cut, but we are sending millions to other countries to help with flood defences.

We have hundrdds of thousands on waiting lists for homes but people coming in go to the front of the queue apparently because they are vulnerable. Apparently all the young people who are homeless and sleeping rough probably escaping sexual abuse etc arent seen as quite as vulnerable!a reply to: Floke

originally posted by: Floke
a reply to: UKTruth

It has already happen. In several citys in Finland, vigilante group "Soldiers of Odin" are on patroll.

www.svd.se...

Cant say Im surprised at all.

In Sweden, the police is so occupied and out of resources (now where did all the money go..?) that they even them self ASKED people to start vigilant groups and help out checking for crimes

www.svd.se...

The police even them self claims all resources go to immigrants in that article.


Now.. where did the money go?

First, let me tell you some examples from "rich" Sweden. The elder care in Sweden is ok it knees. No money left. My city is facing cutbacks in the millions. They cant hire any more staff and there is a buyers stop. The elders didnt even get christmas decirations this year.
The school my kids go to had no money left for hire special needa teachers that was highly needed.
The city of Malmo is bankrupt. They borrow money from other citys.
The police is highly under staffed. They have to priority. A friend called and said a gang sat on a bench on the company propery, doing drugs. The cop never came.

And still:

In Magdalena Andersson’s budget proposal six months ago, the estimated costs of asylum reception between the years 2015-2018 was set to 153 billion SEK. In the spring budget, costs have been revised upwards and is now estimated to end up at 172 billion from 2015 to 2018.

swedenreport.org...

70 billion is what UN ask for in refugee money per year. In the ENTIRE WORLD.

Yet we cant question this..

I absolutely love Soldiers of Odin already. They must be put into a computer game or made into a film
I think these groups are going to form all over Europe.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
Same in the UK with regards to money. Our hospitals, police, armed forces etc have been cut to the bone but foreign aid is protected. Meanwhile we have thousands in north of England and Scotland homeless because of floods and the flood defence money has been cut, but we are sending millions to other countries to help with flood defences.

We have hundrdds of thousands on waiting lists for homes but people coming in go to the front of the queue apparently because they are vulnerable. Apparently all the young people who are homeless and sleeping rough probably escaping sexual abuse etc arent seen as quite as vulnerable!a reply to: Floke

I hear you. Its utterly disgusting. Spread the word for a NO vote on EU membership as far and wide as you can. we have to break free form these unelected fascists in Brussels. This years referedum will be one of the biggest moments in our countries history.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Yeah it is so sad to see your gov spending money for others abd neglecting their own. It is like a dad that play ball wit the kid next door to feel like mr awesome dad, and at the sane time he is neglecting his own.

The homeless and gypsy/beggar situation in Sweden is worthy of a thread of its own because it is absolutly absurd. We are neglecting our own homless and giving help for those instead.

The sad part is that we actually could send alot of help to countries like Syria and aid in the refugee cams housing millions. But we have cut back on that money in favour of those who get here. We spend so much more money on helping not even 1% of refugees and leaving the once really in need on their own, in the hands of Daesh and powerty. We act like a hospital without ambulance. If you want our help, take a cab to our clinic. It costs about 500 Sek/day (90 usd a day) to help one refugee or immigrant here in sweden and 25 sek (3 usd) a day to give food and shelter for one in refugee camps in Syria. When our resources are running out, should we not focus on giving as effective help as possible to the once really needing it??
Should we say, hey we can help, you just have to move to another continent first??? To me, that is absurd! Not even considering the fact that we are draining their countries of people that actually have monyy and enough health to make that trip. The ones left are the poor and weak. A growing ground for extremism. Hungry people abandonned in the hands of wicked men is not a good thing.

And when out resources are running out but we still want to let people come here, should we not at least have some kind of controll and make sure no one is taking advatage of our system? If a "refugee" leaves Sweden and goes back to his home again because the standard here wasnt good enough, what kind of misery did he really left in the first place? Just the other day there was on Swedish news about a man who went back to Iraq because here, he had to live in a tent (we are out of homes) and the humidity was to high for his liking. Really? The news reporter did not even ask him how high humidity in a tent could be worse than returning to war. Did the reporter perhaps there and now actually understood that that refugee had not escaped war, but just wanted a better life? And how many have to starve because we give our money without controll to people that doesnt need it and people like the once in Köln that doesnt in a frozen day in hell deserve it.

originally posted by: Floke
a reply to: anxiouswens

Yeah it is so sad to see your gov spending money for others abd neglecting their own. It is like a dad that play ball wit the kid next door to feel like mr awesome dad, and at the sane time he is neglecting his own.

The homeless and gypsy/beggar situation in Sweden is worthy of a thread of its own because it is absolutly absurd. We are neglecting our own homless and giving help for those instead.

The sad part is that we actually could send alot of help to countries like Syria and aid in the refugee cams housing millions. But we have cut back on that money in favour of those who get here. We spend so much more money on helping not even 1% of refugees and leaving the once really in need on their own, in the hands of Daesh and powerty. We act like a hospital without ambulance. If you want our help, take a cab to our clinic. It costs about 500 Sek/day (90 usd a day) to help one refugee or immigrant here in sweden and 25 sek (3 usd) a day to give food and shelter for one in refugee camps in Syria. When our resources are running out, should we not focus on giving as effective help as possible to the once really needing it??
Should we say, hey we can help, you just have to move to another continent first??? To me, that is absurd! Not even considering the fact that we are draining their countries of people that actually have monyy and enough health to make that trip. The ones left are the poor and weak. A growing ground for extremism. Hungry people abandonned in the hands of wicked men is not a good thing.

And when out resources are running out but we still want to let people come here, should we not at least have some kind of controll and make sure no one is taking advatage of our system? If a "refugee" leaves Sweden and goes back to his home again because the standard here wasnt good enough, what kind of misery did he really left in the first place? Just the other day there was on Swedish news about a man who went back to Iraq because here, he had to live in a tent (we are out of homes) and the humidity was to high for his liking. Really? The news reporter did not even ask him how high humidity in a tent could be worse than returning to war. Did the reporter perhaps there and now actually understood that that refugee had not escaped war, but just wanted a better life? And how many have to starve because we give our money without controll to people that doesnt need it and people like the once in Köln that doesnt in a frozen day in hell deserve it.

Extremists on the left, unfortunately those in power (a dictatoship) in Europe, operate in this way. They give extended rights and privilege to minority groups and oppress the majority. That is their idea of fairness.

In the UK the govt is spending tax payer money to place spikes on the ground in areas where the homeless sleep, whilst at the same time putting refugees at the top of housing priorities. Its a crazy world run by fascists pretendnig to be liberals.

originally posted by: UKTruthExtremists on the left, unfortunately those in power (a dictatoship) in Europe, operate in this way. They give extended rights and privilege to minority groups and oppress the majority. That is their idea of fairness..

Your perception is flawed: we don't oppress the majority in our Western societies - we protect the minorities. If we did not, we should immediately shut down all churches (most people aren't religious anymore), we should immediately ban homosexuals (most people aren't gay), we should ban our sick (most people aren't sick), we should ban all intellectuals - most people are - well, average - etc etc.

Any society should learn to take care, even foster, minorities. But - all need to adhere to the Law, there should be no exceptions.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: UKTruthExtremists on the left, unfortunately those in power (a dictatoship) in Europe, operate in this way. They give extended rights and privilege to minority groups and oppress the majority. That is their idea of fairness..

Your perception is flawed: we don't oppress the majority in our Western societies - we protect the minorities. If we did not, we should immediately shut down all churches (most people aren't religious anymore), we should immediately ban homosexuals (most people aren't gay), we should ban our sick (most people aren't sick), we should ban all intellectuals - most people are - well, average - etc etc.

Any society should learn to take care, even foster, minorities. But - all need to adhere to the Law, there should be no exceptions.

I genuinely dont know what you are on about. I am not talking about huge generalisations about banning gays, or closing churches. I am talking about taking minority rights too far to the point where they get favour over the majority.

The examples through this thread are real. Right now, police have been found to have covered up the extent of rape and molestation in order to protect the opinion of refugees, the mayor of Cologne is openly addressing women and telling them to stay away from rapists by changing their behaviour, demonstrators are being arrested, whilst refugee rapists and molesters were not. In several countries in Europe the majority are being trampled over and being treated in an inferior way to refugees. I gave you another example of the govt in the UK putting spikes put down in areas under cover, like shop fronts where the homeless sleep to get out of the rain, whilst at the same time welcoming and housing refugees. The list goes on. Equal rights means fairness not preference.

Wake up and stop talking nonsense about extreme scenarios which no reasonable person would advocate - i.e. banning gays.

originally posted by: UKTruthThe examples through this thread are real.

Perhaps they are. We actually still don't know yet.

Right now, police have been found to have covered up the extent of rape and molestation in order to protect the opinion of refugees,

That's entirely your own intepretation of what might have happened.

the mayor of Cologne is openly addressing women and telling them to stay away from rapists by changing their behaviour,

Actually, she was ASKED by some reporter how women could protect themselves and merely replied. You would probably have said something similar in her place, as it is indeed the only thing you can do: keep your distance.

demonstrators are being arrested, whilst refugee rapists and molesters were not.

I believe there WERE arrests, though it is increasingly difficult to separate nonsense from facts.

Anyway, has it occured to you that if there weren't any arrests - this also could mean there was not sufficient proof to arrest people?

In several countries in Europe the majority are being trampled over and being treated in an inferior way to refugees.

I don't know. In as far as I can see, these refugees aren't really well off here. Firstly, they had to leave their homes because we, the Western world, meddled with their affairs in the first place. They had to spent all their savings and often that of other members of their families to get here. They then are put in shacks, barracks and tents, in some cases in old prisons, old hospitals, if they are lucky they can get a room for the entire family, but often they have to share their space with other refugees. They have no privacy, no money and are often not allowed to seek work, so they have to spend their days idling. To add to that, a lot of ignorants now suddenly think they are rapists. Yeah, sure, they aren't being trampled over..

I gave you another example of the govt in the UK putting spikes put down in areas under cover, like shop fronts where the homeless sleep to get out of the rain, whilst at the same time welcoming and housing refugees. The list goes on. Equal rights means fairness not preference.

We agree there: it's a shame that a nation like the UK (or any other civilised nation) does not take care of the sick, the elderly, the homeless. Or refugees.

Wake up and stop talking nonsense about extreme scenarios which no reasonable person would advocate - i.e. banning gays.

Good, we're in agreement there too: no banning of minorities.

Now, let's see what actually happened in Cologne, because it still is totally unclear.

In the meantime I find it very, VERY suspect that on the 2nd of January, only roughly 30 people had reported an incident - but now the media are all over it, suddenly we're up to 500 or so. Very strange. Also, I can't imagine that thousands of Germans stood around helplessly while their women were being raped by mobs. I simply can't picture this - it's suspect and for me yet another indication that the entire event is exaggerated beyond belief.

But.. we'll see. And regardless, it can't nor should have any consequences other than that the Law will be upheld.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

The reason more is being uncovered now is that the police downplayed it. The police chief has had to resign.
The mayor released a prepared and public statement, it was not an off the cuff answer to a question. she is also hugely invested in her support for mass immigration in line with Merkel. She is well known for it and this is hugely embarrassing for her. Rather than back tracking on her policies, which she should do, she is doubling down.

All you are doing is downplaying what has happened the same as the apologist officials in Germany were and i find it disgusting.

Lets call it what it is; muslin refugees raping and molesting German women with authorities slow to admit the extent of what happened. It not some giant consipracy theory by the media to make out things were worse than they actually were.

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: gortex

The New York Times (hardly a right-wing publication) pieced THIS video together from various cell phone recordings. (WARNING: GRAPHIC).

It depicts a large mob of Afghan men beating, stoning, stomping and ultimately setting on fire a defenseless woman who was accused of burning a Koran. This was not a case of an oppressive regime causing harm to defenseless citizens. This was a group of citizens attacking one of their own (for something that the Ministry of Hajj and Religious Affairs later claimed she didn't do in the first place).

The point is, considering the West has opened the flood gates and is not able to control the number of people entering as alleged refugees and vetting is near impossible, how do you think a few dozen of the individuals in the video would act should they decide to re-brand themselves as refugees? Would they, like flipping on a light switch, suddenly become Westerners? Do people like that have any place in modern, relatively civilized societies? You think the New Years Eve sex assaults were bad? Buddy, you ain't seen nothing yet.

That ...was ...chilling...


Yet everyone needs to see this. I really dont understand all the western and mostly american feminists constantly hacking on white hetero sexual men while excusing these.

a reply to: UKTruth

If we're talking balance, every single one of these jerks would have to walk a gauntlet of outraged women with flaming torches and very sharp gelding knives. Eye for an eye, rape for a rape.

Maybe we should exclude that and instead talk about not allowing more of them in.

Remember, these are the same culture who kept their women corralled in harems served only by castrated men. Why? because the expectation of the culture is that men are neither expected to nor should control their impulses where women are concerned.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Actually, she was ASKED by some reporter how women could protect themselves and merely replied. You would probably have said something similar in her place, as it is indeed the only thing you can do: keep your distance.

So you admit that there is a situation in which the only thing women can do in order to avoid getting sexually assaulted by muslim men and refugees, is keeping their distance. This would mean that they can't go out in public anymore.

Is this what you are suggesting? That our women need to adapt to the muslims and muslim refugees in our own countries?

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: gortex

The New York Times (hardly a right-wing publication) pieced THIS video together from various cell phone recordings. (WARNING: GRAPHIC).

It depicts a large mob of Afghan men beating, stoning, stomping and ultimately setting on fire a defenseless woman who was accused of burning a Koran. This was not a case of an oppressive regime causing harm to defenseless citizens. This was a group of citizens attacking one of their own (for something that the Ministry of Hajj and Religious Affairs later claimed she didn't do in the first place).

The point is, considering the West has opened the flood gates and is not able to control the number of people entering as alleged refugees and vetting is near impossible, how do you think a few dozen of the individuals in the video would act should they decide to re-brand themselves as refugees? Would they, like flipping on a light switch, suddenly become Westerners? Do people like that have any place in modern, relatively civilized societies? You think the New Years Eve sex assaults were bad? Buddy, you ain't seen nothing yet.

That ...was ...chilling...


Yet everyone needs to see this. I really dont understand all the western and mostly american feminists constantly hacking on white hetero sexual men while excusing these.

I find it amazing too how these types of incidents are ignored by the feminist movement. This incident in the video is shocking to say the least and it should be pointed out that the murderers were not a minority group of extremists, they were the everyday muslims of Afganisthan. How much leeway does the west really want to give? Will it take a westener beaten to death and burned on the street in America or the UK or Germnay, Sweden... before the madness of mass immigration is stopped?

I would have thought feminists and the extreme left would have been lobbying and demonstrating to put pressure on their govts. to act in the form of sanctions against govts that allow this to happen at the very least. But no, nothing to be heard. In fact the overwhelming response to something like the cologne incident by feminists has been to attack western men. It 's strange reality they live in.

It strengthens my belief that feminism and the protestation of extreme left agitators has absolutely noting to do with equality and equal rights for women or any other group, more to do with power and spewing their hate at the world around them. Its a con.

a reply to: UKTruth




Thats exaclty how i feel and think about it. I could not have said it better

a reply to: ForteanOrg

That's entirely your own intepretation of what might have happened.

Police were less than forthcoming about the facts and have received criticism from interior minister Ralf Jaeger , he sacked police chief, Wolfgang Albers on Friday.

Addressing a committee of state MPs on Monday, Mr Jaeger criticised the police for not calling for reinforcements on the night, and also for the way they informed the public about the investigation in the days after the events.

Now, let's see what actually happened in Cologne, because it still is totally unclear.

It's becoming clearer that what was reported in Cologne wasn't isolated to Cologne or Germany and the reason is cultural.

Monday's report into the attacks in Cologne says that the combination of group sexual violence with robbery had not previously been seen in Germany.
It notes that similar crimes took place in other parts of Germany on the 31 December, including in Hamburg.
The report describes a modus operandi known as "taharrush gamea" in Arabic, meaning group sexual harassment in crowds, and compares it to incidents reported in Cairo's Tahrir Square at the time of the Egyptian revolution.
www.bbc.co.uk...

We will see more problems through this year I have no doubt of that.