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Yes...Progressives are Patriots as are Conservatives.
The problem is that the labels we use, politically, don't mean what they used to or what we think they do and they are a means to control us.
I'm more liberal than Conservative, but I'm more pro gun than most conservatives I know. Wow! How is that possible? According to popular belief and our modern labels it is impossible for me to be pro gun and pro LGBT rights. Because our labels just don't mean anything.
The Ideals of feminism and progressiveness and liberalism and conservatism and libertarian ism and patriotism are all great ideals...as is socialism, but we've been programmed to believe what the media tell us.
We're all programmed here on ATS to fall right in with those labels and programmed to hate anyone that disagrees with us.
Most marxists have never read anything of Marx's work.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: breakingbs
But I refuse to really believe you're that ignorant.
Ignorant about what?
I lean progressive, yes. I also have no issue with the 1st and 2nd amendments. I am a secular person (as opposed to religious).
What is it I am ignorant about?
(Been reading your posts - gotta say, you don't seem to make very much sense to me.)
Most marxists have never read anything of Marx's work.
Interesting comment. Can you share the information you used to make such a statement?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert
Interesting comment. Can you share the information you used to make such a statement?
Das Capital is an enormous work, and exceedingly boring. In my own experience, I've met very few self-proclaimed Marxists who have spent the time to read it, preferring some interpretation or another instead.
originally posted by: breakingbs
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Id actually agree with you here and think most of the reaction comes from all this annoying packaging of the concept that only "certain types" sit together and eat arugula, etc. I buy kale all the time and dont get its association with overboard obnoxious health nuts and hipsters
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert
So because you've met very few Marxists that have read it, that equates to "most" of them? Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Can you provide evidence of the opposite?
No. I have not been able to find a poll that asks how many Marxists have read his material. It's a silly question. You made a specific claim and therefore the onus is on you to provide evidence of it being true. Anecdotal evidence is fallacious.
Otherwise, we can dismiss your comment as being absurd.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert
So because you've met very few Marxists that have read it, that equates to "most" of them? Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Can you provide evidence of the opposite?
There's a site called RevLeft that you could look into (Revolutionary Left). They've got actual Marxists there & they'll debate you to your heart's content about the differences in Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, and Maoism (you should probably check the existing threads first since I don't know how active they still are). I'm not much of a fan of communism so I steer clear of that site. But you asked for evidence so there you go.