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reply posted on 7-1-2005 @ 04:53 PM by Der Kapitan
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Sooooo.... I have room enough in my view for anarchy, God, and aliens. Where the heck does that leave me? Open to the idea of being enslaved!?
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reply posted on 7-1-2005 @ 04:57 PM by intrepid
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You think you aren't already? The screen is doing its job.
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:02 AM by Xatnys
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Originally posted by intrepid
You think you aren't already? The screen is doing its job. 
An excellent response. You have a nice mind Intrepid, nice meeting you.
Control is far reaching, even if you are independent of thought.
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:15 AM by Indigo_Child
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Why can't you make the point about discussing our tyrannical governments without saying aliens or god do not exist? Is it just to get more
replies?
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:23 AM by 00PS
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Indigo_Child, did you even read the first page? If so I guess you are on the Anti-00ps Squadron now arn't ya! Yeah you and the rest of the gang think
I have nothing else to do but to try to get points here at ATS...sorry I gotta life. And I am sick of all these insinuating members...trying to rile
me up so I'll be discredited with warns and soon a ban, is this your method? Make people feel unwanted in hopes they will leave the board? I am
beginning to understand there is a culture of this here at ATS. As to your question...I am not talking about tyrannical goverments per-say
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:34 AM by Indigo_Child
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Originally posted by 00PS
Indigo_Child, did you even read the first page? If so I guess you are on the Anti-00ps Squadron now arn't ya! Yeah you and the rest of the gang think
I have nothing else to do but to try to get points here at ATS...sorry I gotta life. And I am sick of all these insinuating members...trying to rile
me up so I'll be discredited with warns and soon a ban, is this your method? Make people feel unwanted in hopes they will leave the board? I am
beginning to understand there is a culture of this here at ATS. As to your question...I am not talking about tyrannical goverments per-say 
Well a conspiracy against a member on a conspiracy web site is not that far-fetched. However, I am not against you in any way. I am just sharing my
honest feedback on this particular topic.
You said that we should be discussing our governments, rather than God or Aliens. At least that's how you concluded your post. Hence, why I
questioned why you felt you needed to dismiss their existence(knowing fuly well how many of us subscribe to these beliefs) to make this point.
Now, if you are saying aliens and god is used to control people. I disagree, especially on aliens. They are controlling us today and they are using
neither god or aliens --- they are using the imagined enemy - "the terrorist"
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:41 AM by mwen
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If there is no God nor Alien, where did we come from?
do we cease to exist upon death...?
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:42 AM by 00PS
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the last half of my post didn't get published, my computer is a really really bad one, I'm in the middle of a very poor place so it's not always
convenient to use technology...where did I leave off.
per-say...I am talking more about the dynamic relationship between the enslaver and the enslaved. How is this able to exist? I think it's the
creation of an unknown power greater than ourselves that we are led to believe in so that the 'others' can enslave us. It's not tyrannical
goverments per-say...couldn't corporations also fill this role? I think so, they also push their own beliefs...But as for my thinking, yes goverments
are agents of enslavers. I'm just saying without these super powers beyond us, the whole current super power of man that is beyond us would not exist
as it does, we would have a different understanding of ourselves and eachother and would not govern eachother in this fashion!
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 12:56 AM by Indigo_Child
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It is not the beliefs in higher powers like aliens and god that facilitates our slave mentality. Rather, it's our psychological weaknesses and the
powers that be prey on them. If we did not believe in god or aliens, we would believe in something else. Example: Terrorists.
We just need something to fear. This is how the human mentality works.
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 01:06 AM by mwen
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"Fear is the mind killer!"
I got that from the Children of Dune movie.
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reply posted on 8-1-2005 @ 07:07 AM by Frith
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Why would extraterrestrials be a myth to enslave the public? Not only are they denied by every government agency, our sciences deny them as well.
The only thing our governments do promote is God. Its written on just about everything that the U.S. government produces, most notably its currency
which everybody sees on a daily basis. If anything is a control mechanism, its religion. Extraterrestials are so completely avoided as being
something that applies to our reality that they are in no relation to a control mechanism.
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reply posted on 9-1-2005 @ 12:55 AM by mwen
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When the government finally validate the exist of Alien life form (not from our planet), this will most like distabelize the Religion
control/enslavement...
However, the level of enslavement may become more complex with this Alien revelation...
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reply posted on 9-1-2005 @ 01:42 AM by Tuatara
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Something to consider. OOPs
In theory, you made a weak point.
1) You're implying that government made up God/Religion. Belief in God (lets call it religion) has been around much much longer than government.
Therefore how can government have created God?
2) The UFO thing, well I'm on the fence on this one. Because I think that our governments (of the world) would hide evidence pertaining to the
existance of extraterrestial life which is here on earth. Scientifically, I tend not to believe because of the vast distances of space and my mind
not being able to concieve the possibility of 'time/space travel' eneough to allow any convincing data.
3) And lastly, because I know not to argue with someone to long, I know there is a God. Beyond a shadow of a doubt and it's something I can tell you
about but cannot make you believe or experience. I entered the spirit, I spoke with someone who had passed onto the next. I called it the best and
the worst day of my life, until my daughter was born. But to someone who cannot fathom such an understand, it's like putting pearls on a swine.
If you were right, you're objective would open others eyes and you wouldn't have to claim that there's a conspiracy against you.
Why must you defend yourself so much?
Tuataras Third Eye
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reply posted on 9-1-2005 @ 09:08 AM by Amethyst
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I'll tell you what, I believe in God, and God is no fantasy.
Did you know the Bible foretells of a time when there will be a New World Order (though not in those words)? Try reading the Book of Revelation.
I don't believe in organized religion, though. Opium of the masses.
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reply posted on 10-1-2005 @ 08:44 AM by jprophet420
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Originally posted by Tuatara
In theory, you made a weak point.
1) You're implying that government made up God/Religion. Belief in God (lets call it religion) has been around much much longer than government.
Therefore how can government have created God?
Tuataras Third Eye 
the first culture on this planet that developed a writing system believed that god was the aliens, and they had a government.
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reply posted on 10-1-2005 @ 08:46 AM by jprophet420
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Originally posted by Amethyst
I'll tell you what, I believe in God, and God is no fantasy.

that is 100% opinion untill either you or god proves it. so far you 2 are battin' a big fat goose-egg brother.
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reply posted on 10-1-2005 @ 09:03 AM by Amethyst
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Don't you mean "sister"?
Evolution has never been proven--and it's a THEORY. The way I see it, either man evolved or was created, and evolution has never been proven, and
God has never been disproven.
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reply posted on 10-1-2005 @ 09:06 AM by khaqan
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why is it always the usa that hace a pact with aliens and the plato pact???????
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reply posted on 10-1-2005 @ 09:34 AM by khaqan
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where can i find the alien interwiew video on net any lnks any one the one link at the subversiveelement dsnt funk
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reply posted on 10-1-2005 @ 03:17 PM by kode
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If we were to spend more time poking holes in our governments, then this world would be a better place. The more we question and expose through
thought resistance, the greater our chances of freedom. Belief has nothing to do with it.
Its all about suggestion and who’s making the suggestion, the believers will always believe, its what they are suggested to believe in. what was the
first suggestion, a space traveller with greater technology then ours or the rising and setting of the sun followed by the moon, and many more things
that may have suggested to our predecessors that there was more to what we see, then we really do see.
But what would you do with freedom from government? Who would maintain the health of those that could not maintain their own? Survival of the fittest?
A world without government would be a world maintained by those that could fend for themselves. A world of elite? It wouldn’t be a world for the
weak, as it is now.
No offence 00ps as i see your points but you say the Chinese are a nation of atheists. I thought they were a very superstitious culture? Superstition
is a belief.
What about making the suggestion to people that they do not need. Their need keeps them enslaved. Their need to be more. But does there have to be
more? What is enough? What is enough for the greater yet not enough for the few? And would any of them except it, without one of them becoming
tyrannical?
If the governments were really fair and just, is this just a dream? How could it ever be, with so many that can deceive?
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