There is No God or Aliens - They're made up to enslave you!

Gee, if you didn't have Aliens or Gods to fantasize in you would see there is no greater power overshadowing your life. If you really didn't believe in aliens or a god there would be no reason to believe in an power greater than yourself. Therefore you would be more conscious of the power that is greater than you overshadowing your life, the power of governments enslaving you to work for them - Paying your hard earned money to them and going to their schools for their 'education'. Gee, since all these people believe in a god an aliens they are blind to the fact that the one and only true power overshadowing them is their worst enemy, the government!

It's time we say the truth and admit the facts. No one has proof of Aliens or God, but we all have proof of tyrannical governments enslaving the people! Would you convernt from your religion and alienism to AntiGovernment activity? Forget church, Join the Militia, forget webdiscussions about aliens, Discuss Revolution!!

I am still waiting for my background check on my semi-automatic from K-Mart

I dont see how believing in god or aliens can enslave you.

perhaps you need a tsunami to wake you up, no greater power, sheesh, theres at least one, and its the planet you walk on.

umm, there is definately alien life, we just havent found any more advanced than us yet.

beLIEve...

OOPS....this is no different than when Christians write "you will go to hell". You can say this is what you "think" but you can't state it as truth unless you can prove it, and you can't! It's all a matter of belief.


EDIT:
I'm going to ignore OOPS' thread now because he always comes up with something that he thinks will ring up the points and I'm not gonna help him out.


[edit on 1/7/2005 by LadyV]

Surely the belief in (a) God and the belief that there are other, possibly more advanced, beings out there in the universe are two completely different things entirely.
A religious belief tends to form the basis of a persons whole way of life.
A belief in aliens is just a "maybe", an idea that perhaps we are not alone but it generally does not dictate who we are and how we behave in life.

I just don't see where the opening post was going with this sweeping assumption

I think the original poster's thoughts are a combination of two lines of thought:

"Karl Marx firmly believed that religion was the opium of the masses."

and

"The U.S. government has devised a clever plan to ensure the security of national security interest will not be compromised by those who are inquisitive enough to seek out black projects."

And that brings us to his version of the "Truth". Which is funny, as everyone has their own version of the truth, and we're probably all wrong, isn't that something folks?

If you really look at mainstream religion, you can see (apparently) that there is much paganism related to many of the religious practices. In fact, Christianity is full of what at first appears to be pagan symbolism and mythos (Winter solstice customs regarding the sun etc). Which I'm sure you can verify back to Roman times and before.

The supposed Christ was born on April 17, 5-ish B.C. but the original math done to relate to Christ was done incorrectly, apparently the original math failed to take year 0 into account.

What's funny is, you can then follow that line of thinking, and it will take you to another level of so-called "truth", that goes back to ancient Egyptian mystery schools. They held the sun in the same high regard as pagans do up to this day.

This only disproves Christianity on a minute level, and does nothing against other religions right? Only due to my limited amount of posting time this morning. In reality, other religions revolve around moon worship, so what foundation is that, since we now believe the moon to be a "dead satellite"? I don’t know, I'm too wise a man to claim I've come to any sort of understanding regarding any of this.

As for the UFO's, many disinformation agents have come along at various points of time. Some would say that the government's best weapon against serious UFO research is the community itself. You have people running around believing such marvelous things as aliens liking strawberry ice cream and sitar music, or that reptoids are ruling our "matrix-esque" world from the 7th dimension.

Some of the supposed "fairly credible' individuals in the field are questionable to say the least. Lazar says he worked at S-4, and his name can be found in a telephone directory from there, yet none of his degrees can be verified, and he only has a W-2 showing near 40hrs of work for the Navy.

Not the best proof one could have eh? Sounds a bit "too convenient" if you think about it. The government can make forms appear and disappear. So in theory, they could create a informant (or disinformant) with a story that can seem real to the ufo community, but will still be looked at as false via serious investigation due to lack of a "paper trail".

I could go on and on about the various reasons the original poster could be thinking the way he is. Certainly there are ample reasons for him to feel the way he does, just like a good Christian or whatever will feel there is ample reason for their faith. Much like a UFO researcher will be certain of alien visitation and interaction, like a person who thinks the UFO phenomenon is all poppycock will feel his thoughts are justified.

So, what's the truth? Hell, don't look at me buddy. I just know that we are each given a unique view of the same basic reality, and our interpretations make us view it a bit differently than the next guy down the line.

I will say this though: Our inability to meet on a common ground most times and on most things, our innate desire to hold our individual vantage point as "supreme" among all others, that is the great human tragedy, and it seems that it's our fate.

Have a nice day; look for truth; in whatever form it finds you.

X

So OOps, is this for points is this a legit thread? You have three hours to answer or else I close the thread.

Am I to believe that the Universe just appeared out of nowhere?? *poof*
I don't see how this is a logical thought to follow. If you can prove that you can create something from nothing, and show us how it's done then I'll consider your point of view.
We live on a planet that is in perfect orbit around just the right star. Our planet also has an excessively large satellite (the moon) in orbit that is about 1/3 it's size yet they both are able to stay balanced in a beautiful dance. Another interesting point is the large planets that also happen to be in orbit around this same star which shield the Earth by sucking in erratic objects that could possible threaten our planet. (i.e. Shoemaker-Levy comet)

We're talking about enormous rocks placed in space with precision that we couldn't come close to even if we tried for millions of years. There's no evolution involved here. Nothing to grow smarter and learn how to orbit. Nothing that could have chosen a better location to live in. Can't you see that these things were placed there, or do you really believe that it's all a big accident?

It's time we say the truth and admit the facts. No one has proof of Aliens or God, but we all have proof of tyrannical governments enslaving the people! Would you convernt from your religion and alienism to AntiGovernment activity? Forget church, Join the Militia, forget webdiscussions about aliens, Discuss Revolution!!

Easy there kid, do you have proof that there are no aliens or god?

Do you really have the human arrogance to believe that we are the only planet with life in this universe? With your life and ability to make decisions, and the power of mind, do you think that an existence such as "god" is really impossible?

Life in a bubble...

Originally posted by dbates
Am I to believe that the Universe just appeared out of nowhere?? *poof*
I don't see how this is a logical thought to follow. If you can prove that you can create something from nothing, and show us how it's done then I'll consider your point of view.
We live on a planet that is in perfect orbit around just the right star. Our planet also has an excessively large satellite (the moon) in orbit that is about 1/3 it's size yet they both are able to stay balanced in a beautiful dance. Another interesting point is the large planets that also happen to be in orbit around this same star which shield the Earth by sucking in erratic objects that could possible threaten our planet. (i.e. Shoemaker-Levy comet)

We're talking about enormous rocks placed in space with precision that we couldn't come close to even if we tried for millions of years. There's no evolution involved here. Nothing to grow smarter and learn how to orbit. Nothing that could have chosen a better location to live in. Can't you see that these things were placed there, or do you really believe that it's all a big accident?

Interesting stuff, which I have thought of myself. But does that, to you, prove an existence of a GOD?

I'd say if it says anything, it would be that there was certainly an element of thought, or design put into our place in the universe. Does that mean that a god did it? Or does that mean that something so much more advanced than us did it, and we'd believe them to be gods if ever we met?

I don't know about the original poster, but I can honestly say- that I can't honestly say God exists or ETIs exist, just like I can't honestly say God is fake or ETI is fake.

There is no answer to either, is there? Why should one believe either of those theories prima fascia?

Is that faith; or is that gullibility?

I understand that line of thinking (I've used above) can be used on all sorts of things, including the very nature of our reality. Does that make it a moot point? Why should any man/woman of independent mind choose to ignore the answer that "there is no answer", currently at least?

Isn't it a much greater disservice to a person's self to accept anything without knowing through research or experience that it is indeed a form of truth?

Notice I said "a form of truth", as no one thought ever holds full truth. Truth is much more complicated than that.

But then, my previous statement goes against the bible doesn't it? "The faith of a child." It says. But I say the truth is a complex fiber.

No, see the "Faith of a child" statement is in regards to belief, not truth. Once a person has brought multiple strands of truth together, even the simplest "child" can see them and accept them, if they choose to.

But ease of belief is not the same as ease of discerning the "truth".

The entity that is known as "Satan" is said to be a "Grand Deceiver", so it's made rather clear that one must think and ponder the truth of all things, and that if you relish in belief only, you are susceptible to deception.

Well, that wound up slightly circular, I'm sorry about that, but I wanted to say as much as I could in the shortest, clearest method, even though my words look drawn-out, it's short compared to what it should be. Alas, that's my opinion, and I'm not trying to shape anyone's view, I'm just showing a look from mine.

X

just like socialism, communism, etc....although it does highlight the salvation of human race through the value of the individual over the collective/hive nature of man.....

but any revolution by violent means or even some non-violent means where people would be cut off from essential services such as clean water/electricity to make a political statement would just be barbarism even worse than police state tyranny...we need limited government of some sort to survive in the numbers we currently find ourselves in da 21st cent....

fat headed little aliens flying around and stealing people away in the night may or may not be reality...In this researcher's opinion it could be a little bit of both if one considers the informational nature of the multiverse, if indeed we do live in a multiverse rather than a universe....i.e. perhaps aliens will continually manifest at a rate which is somewhat modulated by the increasing intensity/pervasiveness of alien abduction/invasion images in pop culture, movies, etc....this is the commonly promulgated theory that disclosure is necessary to gradually condition the populace into accepting the alien presensce....

Check out what is supposedly happening in india, ladakh region...I think there is a thread somewhere on ATS...

just my two cents...

Originally posted by TheBandit795
So OOps, is this for points is this a legit thread? You have three hours to answer or else I close the thread.

Yo, sorry it's about 4 AM here and I just got home from a hella fancy dinner and a night out on the town...I Love it when rich Chinese People like to 'treat me' just cuz I am a foriegner...it's so frickin' ridiculous. So hey um...yeah thanks LadyV for speakin' your true feelings (and sharing it with the rest of us) and to TheBandit795, I'm so busy usually I have no time for ATS and I just had to pop my head in here today with two treads...One on this the other on Tsunami Aid Relief....both stemming from a conversation I had with my friends (chinese) last night. They really have some very *Diverse Opinions*...one opinion of theirs I presneted on the thread about Tsunami aid, the other one I quite agree with and talked about here. Think about it...In an athiest country such as this, believing in God is not a normal thing, and for those who believe in UFO's most of the people think it as a distraction. But in the west people believe in one or the other or find some way to believe in both.

My take....They are both ways of deception, of decieving the masses that there is a greater force out there. The real deal is this: the greater force wants to sideline your natural understanding of the real force the governs their life - elite rule. They give you the option of believing in a superior being so that you don't really, truly understand that superpower over you is man...for most people would not truly submit to such a power consciously.

LadyV, join the team, ATS is building the anti 00ps squadron and I'm sure you are on board. Most of my posts are purely my thoughts only, and I only like to post the thoughts I am learning about. Feedback is the only true way to explore knowledge together, and I am attacked constantly for exploring the thoughts that I do, but I don't think it's a problem. Who ever said free speech was an easy thing...

So I don't know if this met your deadline at all, I'm really drunk and did my best to watch the spelling, hope you can really feel what I'm saying here. I don't want to cause negative energy, I only want to explore my thougts with others and learn more.

Thanks

Robert

Originally posted by Britguy
I just don't see where the opening post was going with this sweeping assumption

Wassup Britguy, gonna keep this short cuz all that chinese wine has gotten to me...Where was I going? I guess it's simply put as this, Religion was to fool people to subjugate themselves under man's rule. In the absense of religion the powers that be have created Aliens to take the place of relgion. They need some 'other' greater power than themselves for the people to believe in so they can be the greater power over them.

If we never believed in a greater power, why would we let a human or a human administration of such great power over ourselves, the concept would be alien to us!

Ok then... I'll leave this thread open.

So believing in a higher power which, at least in the case of Christians, says obey the government unless it violates God's law is allowing governments to do whatever they want since we're not focused on their power? That was a really convoluted sentance, but I don't feel like cleaning it up, read through it a couple of times

Why would China imprison or execute people because they follow Christianity (the real one, not the state controlled semi-Christianity)? Why would the Soviet Union remove all religion? Why would Nazi Germany do the same? History has shown that tyranical dictators and governments notoriously want to get rid of religion. As long as there is a God, people will have someone higher to answer to over the government, and that higher power has control over you after you die. The government doesn't have that kind of power. No, in order to truely oppress people and be a really wretched government, they would try to remove knowlege of God.

Originally posted by 00PS
Most of my posts are purely my thoughts only, and I only like to post the thoughts I am learning about. Feedback is the only true way to explore knowledge together, and I am attacked constantly for exploring the thoughts that I do, but I don't think it's a problem.

Thanks for explaining this. I do the same thing, though I also post and debate (IRL) with people on things I've researched extensivly, as well. Also the reason I don't like talking to conservatives about politics because for the most part they already agree with me and we're just having a pep rally. Talking with liberals, we tend to disagree and I can get the other perspective. I may not change my mind, but at least I'll understand why they believe what they believe. So thanks to this one paragraph, I'll be able to read through your posts with a more open mind. Thanks for the insight, Rob!

I think the cigarette companies have a better chance at controling us then believing in God or Aliens

While I'm open to both God AND aliens, I think you have something here 00ps. It's not whether they exist, it is the application that the "powers that be" use to control the masses. Especially God.