ATS' Choice Poll: SANDERS or TRUMP?

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: amfirst1

Sanders isn't PART of a party, he's an independent. He's a Democrat in name only.

@IAMTAT

Many people feel that Sanders will only dramatically contribute to that dept. and destroy the economy for everyone.

Many people also feel that a bearded man in the sky created the universe, and humanity are His special chosen ones.
That doesn't make them right.

they both said they would be voting for Trump

If I hadn't researched Sanders properly, I'd probably be voting for Trump too. Or Rand Paul.

The "bearded man in the sky" analogy was weak, but your point about not researching Sanders...or even hearing much about him on the news is a good one. Mum (I like that colloquial terminology) ONLY watches MSNBC.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Sanders!!! because I will have so much fun with some on ATS.
Socialism in the USA? people will explode lol.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: IAMTAT

So you mean Republicans not Democrats.

I mean BOTH.
Many Democrats worry about debt, bankruptcy and a collapsing economy, as well.

Here is the FINAL TALLY as of this post:
SANDERS: 60
TRUMP: 43

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Sorry but he takes money from many large unions and PAC's that are not created by himself. I know that he talks about a 'grassroots only give less than 30 dollars' but if you look close enough it is not exactly true. He has more small donations than HIl but that is it.

He also voted for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which change the way 'soft donations' were limited.

Polls are biased and the scary part for many is, the one person who CANNOT change the established polls with PAC political influence is winning by a mile right now in those same polls.

There is something else about Sanders most will not talk about either. He is Jewish. A lot of people, especially your old school old time Democrats, not the 'new' democrat, will not vote for someone of the Jewish faith.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Sorry but he takes money from many large unions and PAC's that are not created by himself. I know that he talks about a 'grassroots only give less than 30 dollars' but if you look close enough it is not exactly true. He has more small donations than HIl but that is it.

He also voted for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which change the way 'soft donations' were limited.

Polls are biased and the scary part for many is, the one person who CANNOT change the established polls with PAC political influence is winning by a mile right now in those same polls.

There is something else about Sanders most will not talk about either. He is Jewish. A lot of people, especially your old school old time Democrats, not the 'new' democrat, will not vote for someone of the Jewish faith.

Interesting point.
Would the large Muslim voting block, which normally votes 70%-85% Democrat, vote in such large numbers for a Jewish man?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Nope...I am not seeing it.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: IAMTAT

Sanders!!! because I will have so much fun with some on ATS.
Socialism in the USA? people will explode lol.

As this thread demonstrates...

If the GOP can't get a viable nominee; someone with a real plan that can articulate it, and not just stupid macho soundbites to rile up the mid Americans; I don't see much hope for the Republicans in a fair election.

It's not that the dembs will WIN the election...It's that the GOP will LOSE!!! It will be their own damn fault for running clown entertainers. Trump is no Reagan!

However, I still maintain Jeb will eventually be their chosen golden boy and I could even support him over a clueless clown.

For a socialist Jew to win over an elitist clown might be an indication to the ATS right wing to do a little soul searching when picking candidates.

What you see on TV isn't politics....it's entertainment and a platform to hang advertisements on....Depends, Gold, and Denture floss and worthless plastic crap made in China.

I love politics!

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Sorry but he takes money from many large unions and PAC's that are not created by himself. I know that he talks about a 'grassroots only give less than 30 dollars' but if you look close enough it is not exactly true. He has more small donations than HIl but that is it.

He also voted for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which change the way 'soft donations' were limited.

Polls are biased and the scary part for many is, the one person who CANNOT change the established polls with PAC political influence is winning by a mile right now in those same polls.

There is something else about Sanders most will not talk about either. He is Jewish. A lot of people, especially your old school old time Democrats, not the 'new' democrat, will not vote for someone of the Jewish faith.

Interesting point.
Would the large Muslim voting block, which normally votes 70%-85% Democrat, vote in such large numbers for a Jewish man?

As opposed to self proclaimed Christian phonies who would send them packing and carpet bomb their original or ancestor's homeland for good measure??..duh!! yeah!!

a reply to: IAMTAT

Looks like a landslide to me!

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: IAMTAT

Looks like a landslide to me!

I agree.
Good job, ATS Sanders supporters!

a reply to: IAMTAT

Many people (Democrats and Republicans, alike) feel $20+Trillion in debt is reaching the 'Tipping Point' on bankrupting the economy...and fear for their retirement.

Right, so vote for the born rich, multiple bankruptcy (a casino no less) failed business man to run Americas business.
Yea I'm sure that will fix whats wrong with America.

K~

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Sorry but he takes money from many large unions and PAC's that are not created by himself. I know that he talks about a 'grassroots only give less than 30 dollars' but if you look close enough it is not exactly true. He has more small donations than HIl but that is it.

He also voted for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which change the way 'soft donations' were limited.

Polls are biased and the scary part for many is, the one person who CANNOT change the established polls with PAC political influence is winning by a mile right now in those same polls.

There is something else about Sanders most will not talk about either. He is Jewish. A lot of people, especially your old school old time Democrats, not the 'new' democrat, will not vote for someone of the Jewish faith.

I've seen that false statement before can you provide the source so we can shoot it down once again...thanks.

a reply to: amicktd

The Union Monies? Here are a few to chew on....

www.cnn.com...
time.com...

A super PAC tied to a union supporting Bernie Sanders has spent almost $570,000 to help his presidential run, according the Sunlight Foundation and representatives from the group, spending that contradicts some of what the Vermont senator has said in the past about campaign finance reform.

He did vote to expand it donations. Look at his 2006 campaign...and he is Jewish.

I do not really care if he does. Not saying he is a bad guy. But if there are PAC's backing you then you should be honest. If a person can not be open about campaign funds how can they be transparent in office?

Trump over everybody and it's not close. Actually Cruz isn't so bad... but after that... not close.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: amicktd

The Union Monies? Here are a few to chew on....

www.cnn.com...
time.com...

A super PAC tied to a union supporting Bernie Sanders has spent almost $570,000 to help his presidential run, according the Sunlight Foundation and representatives from the group, spending that contradicts some of what the Vermont senator has said in the past about campaign finance reform.

He did vote to expand it donations. Look at his 2006 campaign...and he is Jewish.

I do not really care if he does. Not saying he is a bad guy. But if there are PAC's backing you then you should be honest. If a person can not be open about campaign funds how can they be transparent in office?

You have to finish reading the article:

National Nurses United super PAC is different than those supporting other candidates, like Priorities USA, a PAC backing Hillary Clinton, and Right to Rise, a group backing Jeb Bush. Both of those organizations have raised millions of dollars with the blessing of their respective candidates and are generally run by former aides.

The nurses super PAC is funded by union members and does not coordinate with Sanders, nor does Sanders raise money for the group. The groups has also been active in past, spending $2.4 million in 2014 and $500,000 in 2012.

"Our organization exists to protect nurses and patients. No candidate has better amplified the critical issues nurses have voiced for many years than Bernie Sanders," Deborah Burger, co-president of National Nurses United, told CNN in a statement. "We are proud to support Bernie Sanders and will continue to do so."

So all in all he is not in anyone's pocket like the others.

ETA:

“We never considered it a super PAC,” said Jean Ross, co-president of the nurses union. “This isn’t a corporation or an individual who can write out millions of dollars at a time. This is money that nurses put out for things that they believe in.”

National Nurses United, a 185,000-member union, endorsed Sanders in August after polling its members and a vote of its leadership.

“It’s not surprising that we support Bernie Sanders,” Ross said. “He is certainly in support of making sure that people who need health care get it, and that’s been a cause of ours for a long time. He doesn’t just agree with us, he shows up.”

Washington Post

Write in: Mike Rowe

originally posted by: EyeKyu
Trump over everybody and it's not close. Actually Cruz isn't so bad... but after that... not close.

What thread are you seeing? Trump lost to a socialist Jewish man! 60 to 43

The Christian right wing must be reeling at these ATS results. I TOO THOUGHT Trump would win.

Those libs must have had dead people voting!!!!

Here is the FINAL TALLY as of this post:
SANDERS: 60
TRUMP: 44

a reply to: IAMTAT