Left Wing Extremism? What Left Wing Extremism?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I am not bashing all Muslims. But because a majority of them tend to lean to the left in politics it's only natural that the majority of Islamic radicals happen to also be pro-left wing.

Actually this is patently false.

Extremists like those in ISIS are actually far to the political right in their views about basically everything. By definition theocracies (such as the Caliphate ISIS/ISIL is trying to start) are right-wing. You can even see some parallels with Christian extremists in our own country, not limited to their prescription of the death penalty for homosexuals and their complete intolerance of other religions.

Yet the fact that more murders have been committed by left wingers continue to be ignored, and instead left wing media tries to blame Americans with a right wing leaning, even equating white supremacists views with conservatives and republicans.

You're basing this on junk from a chain email that got picked up by hack "news blogs" and your misconception of Muslim terrorists as being leftist.

Let's set aside the right-left politics for a moment and talk about extremism. As bad as terrorism is, it's not the worst thing about extremism by a long shot. A far greater threat is extremists gaining control of the government. When extremists take over, it's usually followed by mass murder. Hitler? 11 million dead. Stalin? At the very least, 20 million, more likely 40-50 million and possibly 60+ million dead. Nobody kills like a government run by a 'true believer' of some extremist ideology, religious or not. Then there's the threat of theocracy. Sure it's lots of fun for morons to say "America is a Christian nation!" and insist that the separation of church and state is a lie created by liberals but can you imagine living under strict religious law? Is it not disturbing that Ted Cruz was 'anointed' as a 'king' by members of a movement he was raised in, who believe they have a divine mandate to infiltrate the "seven spheres of society," including the Government and our educational system? That many of the religious leaders of this group advocate things like stoning gays? What they want is worse than the "Christian" equivalent of Saudi Arabia.

Another threat posed by extremists among the evangelicals is their obsession with their interpretation of End Times prophecy. Do you know how many millions of people believe that in order to fulfill prophecy, the Third Temple will have to be built on the Temple Mount and that this will be accomplished following a global holy war in which Muslims will be eliminated to the extent that they'll be unable to stand in the way?

I'm guessing you can see how this could be far worse than terrorism? We're not talking about the loss of 14 lives, 130 lives or even 3,000 lives. We're talking about tens if not hundreds of millions of people dead. That's the worst case scenario.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I don't think Muslims generally fall across the political axis of Right v Left. Compare Turkey with Saudi Arabia or Qatar with Malaysia - very different societies under Islamic rule. The religious denomination (sects etc) seem to mix with culture to dictate policies.

I agree, but in America they definitely vote Liberal. One would think otherwise, it's very interesting.

Let's just get down to it, this is basically socialism vs capitalism. Not right vs left or Christianity vs Islam.

That being said, Radical Islam is without a doubt far in the socialist left. Sharia law itself is nothing but religious socialism to the extreme. Is it any wonder why the western left is so blatantly tolerant to the religious extremes of islam, yet ever hypersensitive to any christian raising an eyebrow? It fit's perfectly in the right vs left comparison, just as in the media and even here with the latest NLBS episode.

We have a profound and blatantly obvious tactically planned and organized terror attack by radical islams and all we hear is nonstop praise and defense of the utmost 'religion of peace' that is islam. Even more they go out into leftfield and try to establish and introduce the notion of radical christain terrorism as if there's any modern comparison in scope. This is the sellout mindset of the western left, it will flat out defend and enable any movement, culture or ideology that is going against independence and capitalism.

Anyone that can kill innocent civilians in mass numbers has lost their humanity. They justify their actions Believing they have self righteous hate. Why do we want to identify any way with these murderers, left or right. Pedophiles vote for a party too.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Have there been white supremacists who have also murdered innocents? Sure, recent ones include:

Robert Lewis Dear, the PP shooter.

Dylann Storm Roof the shooter at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C.

and Wade Michael Page.

But how many others were left leaning, and/or Islamic extremists and left leaning?

The most recent atrocious act was committed by Islamic radicals and the official posture of the mass media and ATS is to deflect the facts and instead keep on bashing Americans with a political leaning to the right?

USA :: Criminal Acts :: Print this Article
WHY ARE MOST MASS MURDERERS DEMOCRATS?
05-27-2014 7:19 pm - JoeForAmerica.com

THE LIST:.

- Elliot Rodger - Santa Barbara Shooter - Liberal-Democrat

- Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg­istered Democrat and Muslim.

- Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter

- Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.

- James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu­py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.

- Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.

- Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat

- James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.

- Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.

- Ohio bomb plot Perps were occupy Wall St leftists.

- Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.

- Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat.

- Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…
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Read more at joeforamerica.com...

Your source is a website run by or affiliated with 'Joe the Plumber', AKA Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. He's hardly an unbiased source. In fact I'd call him as biased as it's possible to get.

originally posted by: Kandinsky

The Left/Right opposition ignores the fact that most people are in the middle of the political bell curve and have shared values. We're running the risk of becoming the 'extremist' that we hate so much.

Yep. That point was lost on that other thread. Because IT WAS ABOUT RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS! NO matter how many times the lunacy was pointed out, it went ignored for the point. Must...make....point.

But I had faith that someone would throw out a bone.

I felt so helpless in that thread, ....like I needed a safe place away from words that hurt.......

Maybe after the elections, we can all go back to remembering that both sides don't care much about us, they care about their $. Whiny liberals.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
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3. Why don't you open that link to the conservative treehouse and actually read it? These are the same clowns who falsely accused CNN of altering his pictures.

As i remember you claimed the fake whitening of Mercer was made up by Republicans, when in actuality when another member pointed out an earlier post of the whitened photo, it was actually done by mostly white gays, and transvestites who kept on bashing right wing Americans. One of them even asked in the social media "are we going to make him whiter"?... I SHOWED YOU this fact, and you continue to ignore it. The people who started the fake whitening of Mercer were left leaning. Some of the people posting in that social media network were also involved as journalists.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Elliot Rodger

What does it matter if his Facebook profile listed the Young Turks as his favorite YouTube channel? He left a video explaining exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it and it had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with sexual frustration. Seems to be a running theme with mass shooters?

It matters a lot because of the mentality of "me, me, me" from the welfare state and many left leaning Americans. Elliot Roger was a left-winger who thought that women SHOULD respond to him. Since he didn't get what he wanted he decided to murder people..

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Nidal Hasan

Not a registered Democrat, this is a work of fiction. debunked

Really? because first of all he was a Muslim radical, and according to CAIR the large majority of Muslims vote democrat. On that fact alone it would be more likely that he was a democrat.

Second of all, Hasan served as an adviser to the "Presidential transition task force" that George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute was working on.

What is a Presidential transition task force?

Presidential Task Force
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Presidential Task Force in the United States, is an ad hoc group of people commissioned to research and produce a solution for a social issue or other focus that the President of the United States has entered into their administration's agenda.[1] These solutions can come in either the form of a formal proposal, or a list of recommendations for addressing the issue.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...

Of course, the left immediately tried to dismiss this, claiming this Presidential task force had nothing to do with Obama... But this task force was formed by the George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute... You know this institution Yet we are led to believe that a PRESIDENTIAL transitional task force working for the GWUHSPI, has nothing to do with the Obama administration...

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Jared Loughner

Another favorite book of his was Mein Kampf. Again, read the article you linked:

"In the video, he claims that the College is illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," the college's statement said.

Should we draw any inference from that?

What? that he enjoyed the craziness from National SOCIALISTS?.. After all the NAZIS were National SOCIALISTS despite the continuous attempts from the left to claim this is not true...

originally posted by: theantediluvian
James J. Lee

I guess we can call him a left wing extremist because he was a militant environmentalist? He hated civilization though so I'm assuming he hated everyone but hey — you obviously associate right wing ideology with a lack of concern for the environment!

His favorite show was young Turks, a program done by a liberal progressive democrat for liberal progressive democrats...

So don't try to take out of context my comments. There is a big difference between "concern for environment" and a completely different things known as environmental extremism"... You obviously seem to claim that if people are not into environmental extremism/terrorism then they are not concerned for the environment?... Is that what you are implying here?...

Do you forget the fact that CAIR itself states that the large majority of Muslims in the United States vote democrat?

In the 2012 election more than 85% of American Muslims voted for Barack Obama. in the 2008 election 89% of American Muslims voted for Barack Obama... The odds are against you that Hasan was not a democrat...

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Your link from Joe the lying douche bag fake plumber turned "news source" has been thoroughly debunked MANY MANY MANY MANY times (check the link by Nidal Hasan for one). The fact that you're still running around believing it shows how ill informed and ready to believe baseless propaganda you are.

Yeah well, it's what you claim without showing any actual proof of it...

edit on 12-12-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Step away from the propaganda and get some fresh air. This post is full of so much rhetoric and talking points it's disgusting.

You are actually trying to say that the welfare state played a role in why he did what he did?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sorry, but I really do have to butt in at this point and point out that the Nazis were not, by any means, Socialists. They were deluded anti-Semitic extreme nationalists. Here's a handy link.

originally posted by: introvert

Step away from the propaganda and get some fresh air. This post is full of so much rhetoric and talking points it's disgusting.

You are actually trying to say that the welfare state played a role in why he did what he did?

LOL, who should step away from the propaganda is you... Are you trying to claim that a liberal progressive, with the liberal mentality that everyone owes him something did not play a part on his murderous attacks?

Or what about the Black Lives Matter, and the Black Liberation movement?... Movements which claim everyone owes them everything, that special rights should mostly be given to them, and they are ready to incite violence, have made death threats, and attacks on people.

You are claiming that the sense of "entitlement" that is rampant among progressive liberals, and socialist, and communists among others is not to blame for they wanting to be given everything without them earning it?...

Lo and behold... What do we have here now?...

San Bernardino Terrorist’s Politics Were ‘Very Liberal,’ According To His Dating Website Profile
Derek Hunter
Contributor

10:02 AM 12/05/2015

In an online dating profile on the website “Arab Lounge,” San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook described himself as “somewhat humble,” “very analytical,” and his politics as “very liberal.” Many in the media originally speculated the shooter was a “right-winger” while the killers were at large.
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Read more: dailycaller.com...


In the following link is in fact a picture of his profile in which he states being very liberal...

www.theblaze.com...

BTW, don't try your red herrings trying to attack the messenger, and read the freaking information, and then come back and tell me he wasn't very liberal...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Lo and behold... What do we have here now?...

San Bernardino Terrorist’s Politics Were ‘Very Liberal,’ According To His Dating Website Profile
Derek Hunter
Contributor

10:02 AM 12/05/2015

In an online dating profile on the website “Arab Lounge,” San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook described himself as “somewhat humble,” “very analytical,” and his politics as “very liberal.” Many in the media originally speculated the shooter was a “right-winger” while the killers were at large.
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Read more: dailycaller.com...


In the following link is in fact a picture of his profile in which he states being very liberal...

www.theblaze.com...

BTW, don't try your red herrings trying to attack the messenger, and read the freaking information, and then come back and tell me he wasn't very liberal...

First things first, your source is The Blaze, which automatically sets off alarm bells in my brain, because that's the creation of that deluded lunatic Glenn Beck, the man who sees conspiracies everywhere and then cries a lot. No, sorry. Secondly your dubious source has the words 'appears to be' all over it, meaning that it's a dubious cite by a dubious source.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

LOL, who should step away from the propaganda is you... Are you trying to claim that a liberal progressive, with the liberal mentality that everyone owes him something did not play a part on his murderous attacks?

What I am saying is that it is propaganda that you've been exposed to that makes you believe a liberal mentality includes believing everyone owes them something. That idea is not rooted in fact. It's rooted in delusion.

Or what about the Black Lives Matter, and the Black Liberation movement?... Movements which claim everyone owes them everything, that special rights should mostly be given to them, and they are ready to incite violence, have made death threats, and attacks on people.

Equal treatment is asking for special rights?

You are claiming that the sense of "entitlement" that is rampant among progressive liberals, and socialist, and communists among others is not to blame for they wanting to be given everything without them earning it?...

I'm claiming that the only reason you believe those groups of people have a sense of entitlement is because you have been told so by propagandists.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sorry, but I really do have to butt in at this point and point out that the Nazis were not, by any means, Socialists. They were deluded anti-Semitic extreme nationalists. Here's a handy link.

Really? because their policies were socialist nationalistic...

National Socialism

Political movement, Germany
Written by: The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica

Alternative titles: Nationalsozialismus; Naziism; Nazism; Nazismus

National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, also called Nazism or Naziism,
Nazi Party: rally at Nürnberg, 1933 [Credit: Hulton Archive/Getty Images]
totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany. In its intense nationalism, mass appeal, and dictatorial rule, National Socialism shared many elements with Italian fascism. However, Nazism was far more extreme both in its ideas and in its practice. In almost every respect it was an anti-intellectual and atheoretical movement, emphasizing the will of the charismatic dictator as the sole source of inspiration of a people and a nation, as well as a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
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www.britannica.com...

To this day many left wingers do not want to accept the fact that the NAZIS were socialist, and so was Italy's fascism. These two forms of fascism were based on socialism. They had their own ideas on how socialism should "help the people".

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I’ve read Hitler’s Mein Kampf (all online here) and can quote the following from Volume 2:

Chapter VII:

In 1919-20 and also in 1921 I attended some of the bourgeois (capitalist) meetings. Invariably I had the same feeling towards these as towards the compulsory dose of castor oil in my boyhood days. . . . And so it is not surprising that the sane and unspoiled masses shun these ‘bourgeois mass meetings’ as the devil shuns holy water.

Chapter 4:

The folkish philosophy is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure. These are the most important factors of its view of life. 


If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a philosophy of life. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.

Chapter XII:

The National Socialist Movement, which aims at establishing the National Socialist People’s State, must always bear steadfastly in mind the principle that every future institution under that State must be rooted in the movement itself.
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democraticpeace.wordpress.com...

Or...

Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930:

I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow. . . . What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism.
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democraticpeace.wordpress.com...

Or...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
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econc10.bu.edu...


There is this belief among many in the left that a socialist, or communist cannot be a nationalist, and that's false... Stalin was a national communist who wanted communism in one nation. Lenin wanted international socialism/communism. They both were at odds because of this difference in socialist opinion. A socialist and a communist can be also nationalists, and Hitler and his NAZI movement was one such example of national socialism.

a reply to: introvert

Equal treatment?.. How is asking white people to apologize for simply being white considered "equal treatment" on your book?...

How is it equal treatment, that the Black Lives Matter movement demanded in writing that any student who says/writes "all lives matter" should go to a re-education camp made up of people elected by Black Lives Matter?... Or that statements such as "all lives matter" are racist?... How is that equal treatment?... How is it equal treatment?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Or what about this.

‘Black Lives Matter’ leader demands new constitution or ‘it will be the bullet’

October 8, 2015

Victor Skinner

BERKELEY, Calif. – Blake Simons, a self-described Black Lives Matter leader at the University of California-Berkeley, has a message for America: It’s a new constitution or “the bullet.”

The Cal senior is a member of the Black Student Union and “Deputy Comms Director” of the Afrikan Black Coalition at UC Berkeley, where he’s led repeated protests in recent months over police shootings and the allegedly racist learning environment at the school, according to the Berkeleyside.

Now, Simons is peddling an enlightening article about his ideas on racism in America that centers on an ultimatum: either the U.S. rewrites its beloved Constitution with special considerations for black people, or “it will be the bullet,” he threatens.
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eagnews.org...

afrikanblackcoalition.org...

Or the calls from the Black Lives Matter movement to murder police officers reminiscent of the old Black Panther "revolutionary socialist/communist movement in the 60s?...

Black Lives Matter Chant Called ‘Disgusting’ By Police Leader
August 30, 2015 10:22 PM By Bill Hudson

ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) — Traffic disruptions and loud messages aren’t the only things memorable about Saturday’s Black Lives Matter march to the gates of the Minnesota State Fair.
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But along the way, protesters broke into a pointed refrain that has St. Paul police officers upset.

Marchers chanted in unison, “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.”

What officers and many others find offensive is also protected free speech. But in this particular case what is ironic is that those voicing the chant were also being protected by very officers targeted.

“Statements and chants like that are just ignorant – I find it absolutely disgusting,” Officer Titus said.

Titus called the protester’s chant both dangerous and outrageous. All the more so Titus says, because it came just hours after a Texas deputy was gunned down in cold blood.

“I don’t think chanting or singing what’s basically promoting killing police officers is peaceful,” Titus said.

Black Lives Matter organizer Rashad Turner says there’s a big difference between rhetorical chanting and somebody’s actions.

“It definitely wasn’t a threat. I don’t know if they would have received it differently if we would have said on a stick. We’re there chanting, using our voices,” Turner said.
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Let's see what the Black Lives Matter organizer said again about the threats made by the protesters against police officers...

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Black Lives Matter organizer Rashad Turner says there’s a big difference between rhetorical chanting and somebody’s actions.
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minnesota.cbslocal.com...

Or what about ALL of the Black Lives Matter protesters who chanted in unison "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!.....

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

If Hitler was a socialist why did he kill Jews,jehovah witnesses,professors,gays,political adversaries. And military expansion and dominance. That does not sound like Bernie the socialist.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

This again?

It gets tiring having to hear the same misinformation being spread over and over again simply because too many people, such as yourself, have the mentality that "everything I need to know about Nazis I learned from someone's blog".

Your post is easily debunked if you research the term "red bait".

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Does any of that nonsense prove a liberal/progressive mindset of entitlement?

No, it does not.

originally posted by: MOMof3

If Hitler was a socialist why did he kill Jews,jehovah witnesses,professors,gays,political adversaries. And military expansion and dominance. That does not sound like Bernie the socialist.

The same way that socialists and communist regimes have murdered anyone who would not bow down to their leftist ideals.

BTW, didn't you know that even though Marx was a Jew he was anti semitic?

Karl Marx's Radical Antisemitism

Reflections
23 March 2015

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Michael Ezra argues that Karl Marx's anti-Semitism is clear and unambiguous.

In a review of the recently published book, Antisemitic Myths: A Historical and Contemporary Anthology, edited by Marvin Perry and Frederick M. Schweitzer, David Hirsh has argued that it is a “standard misreading” of Marx to say that “Marx was an antisemite.” With this, he concurs with Robert Fine, who attempted to “explode the myth” of Marx’s antisemitism. As far as Professor Fine is concerned, those who believe this “myth” have an “inability” to read Marx or comprehend Marx’s “ironic style” of writing.

What truth is there in this argument? Marx’s essay, On the Jewish Question, originally published in 1844 contains the following:

What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

Marx argues that, “In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.” Larry Ray explains, “Marx’s position is essentially an assimilationist one in which there is no room within emancipated humanity for Jews as a separate ethnic or cultural identity.” Dennis Fischman puts it, “Jews, Marx seems to be saying, can only become free when, as Jews, they no longer exist.”
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www.philosophersmag.com...

If you look at the history of socialist, and communist regimes, real socialist and communist regimes which rejected the idea of private property, and abolished it, you will find that they murdered other socialists, and/or communists for having different opinions and being a threat to their power.

Didn't you know that Leon Trotsky wrote that Stalin ordered his death?...

Leon Trotsky
Stalin Seeks My Death
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www.marxists.org...

www.history.com...

There are plenty of such examples in which one branch of the socialist spectrum saw another branch of socialism as a threat for their power and they murdered each other to gain control over a nation. Hitler, and Mussolini were no different. They were socialists, who had some different ideas on how their form of socialism should exist. Their branch of socialism is know as Fascism.

a reply to: introvert

Disinformation?... Why because you claim so despite evidence that shows this is true?...

This is the problem among many left wingers. The inability to admit that socialism has failed humanity time and again.

Heck, look at Black Lives matter and their message of hatred, and murder. Yet even though that message comes straight from their mouths, many left wingers do not want to admit the truth. This movement, among some others is extreme left wing. They want to implement socialism, and communism. The founders and co-founders are known for their very left wing extremist views. For opening their Black Lives Matter protests Patrisse Cullors quotes statements made by Assata Shakur, a convicted cop killer who was an avowed marxist and Black Liberation member, who had also been a member of the Black Panthers.

Alicia Garza, co-founder of Black Lives Matter is an avowed Marxist.

Co-founder of Black Lives Matter
Marxist
Views America as a racist, sexist nation

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

Black Lives Matter, among some other Black Liberation Movements are Marxists who want to impose their ideals on everyone.

You know, all those people who kept claiming "communism is not a threat in the U.S.". Well, here you have it, right in your face, and how many left wingers have accepted the fact that this movement is a farce? A socialist/Marxist movement with the sole intent of imposing their socialist/Marxist views?