So, i was in a chat room talking to a moderator and we always hear on ATS well go out and talk to people get involved see what the opionions are so I
asked a nice man named Omar to engage in a dialogue in which he did, i also asked if i could post this conversation and he agreed. Im not saying that
this is indicating a mass belief but i am saying i talked to a random Islamic man and this is the conversation that transpired. I'm not sure what to
think, some of this conversation is very difficult for me to relate to or understand. It feels very threatening at times, i do not want a massive war,
but i have to say if these are the generally held beliefs then our cultures are incompatible. that's just the plain and simple, I am sure ill catch
flack for this but i really want to know what people think can our cultures co-exist? I want peace, i do not wish death on innocent people! Here i am
"TechniXcality: omar i would really like to know your opinion of that quote
Omar: its 8:12 ?
Omar: Surat Al-Anfal ?
TechniXcality: its in the koran
Omar: Aya 12
Omar: or what
TechniXcality: let me look
Omar: paste me all the Part of it the Aya i mean
TechniXcality: Sahih International: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. will cast
terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.
Omar: yea now i see
TechniXcality: is this not a dangerous idealology?
Omar: some of parts in Quran
TechniXcality: not to say other religions do not have similar text
Omar: came the time of Muhamad
Omar: in this part
Omar: the God asks the Angels to support the muslims in this war
Omar: and he will put the fear and scared on the unbelievers heart
TechniXcality: so you are saying its in the context of war
Omar: this war name
Omar: context of war
TechniXcality: but does the koran not call for holy war or jihad against unbelievers or the kafar?
Omar: but not our wars now
Omar: its a war happened the time of Prophet Muhammad
Omar: yea he does but with limits
TechniXcality: well who is the kafar
Omar: and not the jihad happened these days
Omar: kafr is the one who doesnt believe with Allah
TechniXcality: omar should i be killed for disbelief
Omar: no its not like that
Omar: well Quran says to open these countries and spreed islam on it
Omar: and only kill the ppl who come against islam
TechniXcality: what about apposty should someone be killed or stoned for turning from Allah
Omar: jihad goes for the ppl who are against muslims and fights them
Omar: not the peace ppl
Omar: u mean if someone was muslim then he turns to another religion ?
Omar: that one should be killed in our religion
TechniXcality: he should bee killed
Omar: and it has reasons
Omar: Quran didnt say about them but the Sheikhs said
Omar: well they say he was in the right religion tho and when he converts
Omar: he spreed lies and lots of stuff about islam that its not right
Omar: and ppl will believe him cuz he was muslim before like he says
Omar: but anyway these ppl are few
Omar: islam spreeding so fast in all the word
TechniXcality: omar should islam dominate the world
Omar: what u mean with dominate ?
Omar: are u christian btw if i can ask
TechniXcality: i am athiest
TechniXcality: and dominate i mean do you believe that you as a muslim should spread islam and kill those who disbelieve or tax them
Omar: Quran said that one day all the word will be muslims
Omar: so its gonna happen
Omar: with us or without
Omar: and u already can see it now with the islam going so quick its something u cant never deny it TechniXcality: so yes you believe islam should
Omar: yea it should cuz its the right religion for me
TechniXcality: omar do you support jihadist actions carried out against the west
Omar: from which side
Omar: i told u there is no part of ppl now doing Jihad if they say so i dont think it is
TechniXcality: do you support isis and their making of a caliphate
TechniXcality: why not
Omar: cuz i dont know them
Omar: and media shows the actions of them as bad way
TechniXcality: are they not following the Koran?
Omar: they are suspicious
Omar: im not saying i believe all what comes from media
TechniXcality: omar are you familar with the british soldier lee rigby?
Omar: i dont watch news
TechniXcality: he got decapitated in the streets of the U.K for being a soldier and fighting a war against those in the middle east.. my question is,
the men who decapitated him in the name of Islam were they correct to do so?
Omar> who cut his head
TechniXcality: islamic men
Omar: we have many things in Quran
Omar: that it ask us to cut ppls head
TechniXcality: im just asking was it the right thing to do, do you support it
Omar: like i said top TechniXcality
Omar: i dont know the reason of it
Omar: but if the reason comes with the things that was said in Quran then it should be
On the afternoon of 22 May 2013, a British Army soldier, Fusilier Lee Rigby of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was attacked and
killed by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale near the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, southeast London. Rigby was off
duty and walking along Wellington Street when he was attacked. Adebolajo and Adebowale ran him down with a car, then used knives and a cleaver to
stab and hack him to death.
Omar: im not sure but i think only 2 part of ppls u can cut their head
TechniXcality: read that omar
TechniXcality: and tell me if you agree
Omar: yea i know the story
Omar: in wars TechniXcality
Omar: u are allowed to do what u want with ur prisoners
Omar: thats what islam says
Omar: Prophet muhammad did many things
Omar: 1- sometime he free them
Omar: 2- sometime he trade them
TechniXcality: yes but i am asking was his murder the right thing to do i just want you to say yes or no Omar: 3- sometime he ask them to teach ppl
stuff then he free them
Omar: 4- and sometime he killed them
Omar: he was a prisoner ?
Omar: if yes then yes
TechniXcality: a prisoner
TechniXcality: what does that mean
Omar: someone u got him due to wa
Omar: a soldiar if tho
TechniXcality: omar do you consider yourself a moderate muslim?
Omar: i hope so
Omar: trying my best
TechniXcality: so do you support infiltrating other societys and growing islam and then killing people who resist Allah?
TechniXcality: yes or no
Omar: not killing people who resist allah
TechniXcality: but you said the Koran say's to
Omar: i told u that u should kill ppl who come against and try to destroy ur islam
Omar: all the countrys
Omar: can pay the Taxs
Omar: its to"
edit on 12/4/2015 by eriktheawful because: Mod Note: Fixing post