San Bernardino Atrocity, an Attempt by Radical Islamists to Push for Gun Control?

So they're in cahoots then with the radical christian, lone wolf Joker impersonator or white supremacist that slaughtered people before them?

Lol. What about the other non-muslim christian caucasian gun toating savages who shoot up churches,schools and abortion clinics ? What's their agenda ?

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

But we have seen left-wing politicians and media push for "more gun control in America" using tragedies like this one to disarm Americans.

And on the other side of the coin we have the NRA and other assorted gun nuts using these tragedies to push an everyone should be armed and guns should be less regulated agenda.

Call me crazy but when mass shootings happen every few weeks maybe it does have something to do with the fact guns are everywhere, just a thought

Not so. Contrary to what you might think you know...everyday people are not swayed much by political agendas/talking points. When gun sales spike after a mass shooting, its not because people are tuning into tv/radio waiting for their favorite politician/talking head to encourage them to buy guns because they wont be readily available soon due to new regulations.

I'm not necessarily for less regulation on guns. There are laws that arent currently being enforced. Everyday, law-abiding gun owners (and future law-abiding gun owners) should not be punished due to the miniscule percentage of ACTUAL nuts that commit these mass shootings that WE law-abiding gun owners unequivocally condemn!!!!

I would say, "Sorry, youre wrong.", but Im not sorry....youre simply just wrong!

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Lol. What about the other non-muslim christian caucasian gun toating savages who shoot up churches,schools and abortion clinics ? What's their agenda ?

Maybe you should research their agendas.

You might want to begin with their drug prescriptions.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

But we have seen left-wing politicians and media push for "more gun control in America" using tragedies like this one to disarm Americans.

And on the other side of the coin we have the NRA and other assorted gun nuts using these tragedies to push an everyone should be armed and guns should be less regulated agenda.

Call me crazy but when mass shootings happen every few weeks maybe it does have something to do with the fact guns are everywhere, just a thought

It actually doesn't.
What it actually has to do with are a-holes who are adamant about their desire to kill people. Out of the ocean of people who are born, some are born with faulty wiring, or weren't brought up in the world with any mentoring on the importance of loving others, or have been taught to hate others.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Replace " Radical extremists " With " Radical Progressive Liberal Socialists " and then your Post here just Might make More Sense............

Well, you know what they say: Politics can make for some strange bedfellows! These radicals have tons of money and I think everyone would agree that we have politicians that can be bought.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Close your eyes and imagine what a completely disarmed America would look like accounting for the ever-steady morphing of Law enforcement into the full-on militarization monster that has surely been planned.

Now, couple all that with the propaganda convincing the Kardashian crowd to give up more freedoms to ensure more "security".

If no-one had guns , the police would NOT need to be armed and/or scared for their lives at every minute.
The 'Kardashian' crowd , in general terms are the people who are sick of their innocent relatives being the targets of
angry gun owners every time they step out of their front door !
Every incident like this , and every threat to the 'right to own a death dealing WMD' aka the second amendment ,
boosts gun sales every time .

originally posted by: radarloveguy

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Close your eyes and imagine what a completely disarmed America would look like accounting for the ever-steady morphing of Law enforcement into the full-on militarization monster that has surely been planned.

Now, couple all that with the propaganda convincing the Kardashian crowd to give up more freedoms to ensure more "security".

If no-one had guns , the police would NOT need to be armed and/or scared for their lives at every minute.
The 'Kardashian' crowd , in general terms are the people who are sick of their innocent relatives being the targets of
angry gun owners every time they step out of their front door !
Every incident like this , and every threat to the 'right to own a death dealing WMD' aka the second amendment ,
boosts gun sales every time .

I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic (it's kind of hard to tell) Your doctor is 22 times more likely to kill you than one of us as you call "angry gun owners".

Get over yourself.

a reply to: chuck258

Your statistics are a bogus insult to ALL the victims
and their relatives , of senseless gun violence .
I do not live in America , and will NEVER even visit there.
Heavy drugs , Heavy guns , Heavy violence , Heavy stupid arguments in favour of your
outdated 2nd. don't impress me one bit.
Your denial of God's Will , is YOUR problem .... not mine

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
I have seen a lot of people ask why would these Islamic extremists attack a place that caters to the needs of disabled children?

Apart from wanting to instill fear in people, imo this could very well be an attempt from Radical extremists to also push for gun control in America. it would serve them. Think about it. An America disarmed, that would only have LEOs and military armed would be more easily infiltrated, and attacked en mass by Islamist radicals.

Yup!

People wonder why America hasn't faced more attacks and on a larger scale since everything in the middle east has really kicked off......

The second amendment is absolutely the reason!! This is just about the last country you want to go all "Allabu Snackbar" in. A lot of people don't realize it, but recently at a friends birthday I realized that while sitting there in the restaurant, I was in the midst of about 22 firearms and probably 250+ rds of ammo including my own measly 5-shot .357

This was just OUR GROUP. Who knows how many other people in the restaurant were carrying. This is a group of friends that includes bikers, liberals, libertarians, LGBT, two black guys, a few hispanics, a few EU citizens etc. Quite a motley bunch, LOL.

So yea if anyone had decided to pull an Allahoo-Quackbar in that place or in the city plaza, they probably wouldn't have had time to hit the damn detonator.

Yeehaw Murica'!

a reply to: radarloveguy

Yeah? where are you from? Japan? China? The characters in your avatar seem Mandarin, so I would guess from China. Is that right?

I rather stay in America, than being knifed by the crazies in China who go on mass massacres with knives... Or the ones in Japan who use chemical weapons on metro stations and kill hundreds...

But hey, i am waiting to see you try to demand for the banning of knives, and any chemical that can be used to kill people...

a reply to: 8675309jenny

99.99 % of immigrant Muslims in America ,
are there because they want to distance
themselves from the extremist element
of their homelands.They are peaceful ,
patriotic citizens.

They condemn violence and love God .
The fact that these perps were bad muslims
is irrelevant .

I'm surprised there aren't more shootouts
in restaurants after hearing your story ...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: radarloveguy

Yeah? where are you from? Japan? China?

No .

I rather stay in America, than being knifed by the crazies in China who go on mass massacres with knives... Or the ones in Japan who use chemical weapons on metro stations and kill hundreds...

... and these atrocities occur on a daily basis in those countries ?

... NO



I'm on a fruitcake binge today !

originally posted by: radarloveguy

... and these atrocities occur on a daily basis in those countries ?

... NO

No?.. almost...

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station

By Ralph Ellis, CNN

Updated 10:20 PM ET, Sun March 2, 2014
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www.cnn.com...

School attacks in China (2010–12)

March 2010
Main article: Nanping school massacre
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On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[7] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[8] Fujian province;[9] The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[7] sparking fears of copycat crimes.[9] Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[8] Media reported a history of mental health issues, but police stated that Zheng had no history of mental illness, contradicting earlier reports. Zheng said that he performed the attack after being turned down by a girl and suffering "unfair treatment" from the girl's wealthy family.
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April 2010

Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[10] in Leizhou,[11] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[12] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[9] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou, but was on sick leave due to mental illness[12][13] He was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[14]

On April 29 in Taixing,[8] Jiangsu, unemployed 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten(15) and stabbed 28 students and two teachers after stabbing the security guard;(9) most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.(16) The attack was the second in China in just two days.

On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[8] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[9]
en.wikipedia.org...
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May 2010

An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010.
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August 2010

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province.
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August 2011

Eight children, all aged four or five,[23] were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed the children who were 3 to 4 years old with a box-cutter.[24] The woman had worked there for years, but was thought to have psychiatric problems.
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September 2011
In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,(25) Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.(26) Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.
(27) The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.[28]
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December 2012

On 14 December 2012, a 36-year-old villager in the village of Chenpeng, Henan Province, stabbed 23 children and an elderly woman at the village's primary school as children were arriving for classes.[29] The attacker was restrained at the school, and later arrested.[30] All of the victims survived and were treated at three hospitals, though some were reportedly seriously injured, with fingers or ears cut off, and had to be transferred to larger hospitals for specialized care.
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en.wikipedia.org...

And more recently...

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery
Michael Allan McCrae | October 1, 2015

Nine suspects are being pursued after they launched a coordinated knife attack and killed 50 workers at a northwestern Chinese coal mine, reports Radio Free Asia.

The incident occurred on September 18 in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. The attackers are alleged to be Uyghur separatists.

After overtaking security guards, the attackers killed the workers while they were asleep in bunkhouses at the Sogan colliery in Aksu. Another 50 workers were injured. The suspects are believed to be hiding in a nearby mountain ravine where a manhunt operation is underway.
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www.mining.com...

So yeah... crazy people will use anything, and everything at their disposal. Then you have got the other crazies in China in the CCP murdering people for being religious and "being a threat to national security" among other crimes...

originally posted by: radarloveguy
I'm on a fruitcake binge today !

You better put that fruitcake on for a hat then.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Your statistics show very infrequent incidents . Maybe four /year .
Certainly NOT on a daily/weekly basis . FAIL
Here's some facts on murder rates .

* notice China , with 1.4 Billion people doesn't even get a look in.



Knives have to be used close up , we all know guns
are very impersonal . I'd much rather face a psychotic attacker armed
with only a knife . A three yo can use a gun .

What's that in your eye ?
.... a plank

originally posted by: radarloveguy
a reply to: 8675309jenny

99.99 % of immigrant Muslims in America ,
are there because they want to distance
themselves from the extremist element
of their homelands.They are peaceful ,
patriotic citizens.

They condemn violence and love God .
The fact that these perps were bad muslims
is irrelevant .

I'm surprised there aren't more shootouts
in restaurants after hearing your story ...

HAHAHAHA, are you seriously so uneducated that you think having a gun in your pocket or in your hand makes you just lose your mind and start shooting everyone in the room????

Do you lack self-control???

Do you have fantasies of murdering people???

Myself and my friends are all friendly normal people who you simply DONT WANT TO F**K WITH. Last week a car stalled in front of me at a traffic light and while everyone was speeding around me, honking and nearly crashing into me, I put on my hazard lights, got out of my car and PUSHED THE WOMANS CAR while she steered off the road and onto a side street.

Not once did I feel the urge to murder her. FREAKING AMAZING HUH????

About 6months ago I changed a tire for a guy on his Porsche because he couldn't figure out how to deal with the spare and inflation kit. Just some random guy in a parking lot. I didn't feel theneed to rape him and his wife, or slaughter their entire family.... crazy right ???

Maybe in China, or whatever country you're from, you are not taught respect for human life, and simple compassion for your fellow human.

So guess what, you're a fool if you think normal people in America buy guns to go kill each other.

WE BUY GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE ASSHOLES WHO WANT TO MURDER AND RAPE US.

YEA, YOU KNOW... THE SAME ASSHOLES YOU HAVE IN YOUR COUNTRY WHO WILL USE A KNIFE, A BAT, A CAR, OR A ROCK TO KILL YOU.

Murderers want to kill people, not gun owners.

originally posted by: radarloveguy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Your statistics show very infrequent incidents . Maybe four /year .
Certainly NOT on a daily/weekly basis . FAIL
Here's some facts on murder rates .

* notice China , with 1.4 Billion people doesn't even get a look in.

Knives have to be used close up , we all know guns
are very impersonal . I'd much rather face a psychotic attacker armed
with only a knife . A three yo can use a gun .

What's that in your eye ?
.... a plank

I don't want to call you an idiot, but the things you write are quite...... well IDIOTIC.

So your posts seem as if written by an idiot.

Anyway, Why didn't you include Mexico in your list there buddy ??? Guns are illegal in Mexico, but they have a murder rate of 23, compared to the USA with 4.8


Ohhhhh, quite inconvenient huh ?

[post]originally posted by: 8675309jenny

Do you lack self-control???

I don't need a gun in my country . We have some respect for human life.

Do you have fantasies of murdering people????

No , but you fantasize about it right here buddy .

Myself and my friends are all friendly normal people who you simply DONT WANT TO F**K WITH

Macho garbage.

Not once did I feel the urge to murder her. FREAKING AMAZING HUH????

You're right , I'm amazed.

Maybe in China, or whatever country you're from, you are not taught respect for human life, and simple compassion for your fellow human.

You're funny . I told you I don't live in China . And our compassion dictates we don't carry around guns.
Your post is very angry and I wouldn't want to get anywhere near you packing heat. ....

So guess what, you're a fool if you think normal people in America buy guns to go kill each other.

Normal people don't carry guns . Cowboys do .

WE BUY GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE ASSHOLES WHO WANT TO MURDER AND RAPE US.

Just sounds paranoid , or like a gangland drug dealer.

YEA, YOU KNOW... THE SAME ASSHOLES YOU HAVE IN YOUR COUNTRY WHO WILL USE A KNIFE, A BAT, A CAR, OR A ROCK TO KILL YOU.

Like I said , where I live we don't have that level of hate .

Murderers want to kill people, not gun owners.

But those murderers ARE gun owners !

Myself and my friends are all friendly normal people who you simply DONT WANT TO F**K WITH

originally posted by: radarloveguyMacho garbage.

Really? So you think you know me or people like me?

Let me tell you about my business partner. He stopped at a gas/petrol station back in 2009 and as he gets out of his car, he sees two kids shouting at an old man pumping his fuel, the next thing he knows, one of the kids pulls out a knife and starts stabbing the man repeatedly. The man was about 70-80.

So my business partner runs up and punches the kid, the kid turns and swipes at him, cutting him in the chest, unfazed, my partner takes another swing and shatters the guys jaw, blood fills his mouth and he falls to the ground choking. The second attacker runs away.

This is real life. My partner is a super nice guy, and he will do nearly anything for a person in need.

People don't get stabbed where you live? BULLSH*T. Maybe in your village/town etc, but in your country there are murders I guarantee it. Even if you live in one of the nicest places in the world, which affords you to luxury of having your fairytale mindset, there are still people who wish to harm other for no good reason.

You are a complete fool for pretending the bad people are ordinary good citizens who choose to arm themselves.


Also please lose the sarcastic douchebag attitude. You might think I'm oh-so-scary because I sometimes carry a concealed firearm, but I bet you'll feel different if we were walking next to each other on the street and someone tries to do a 'Lee Rigby' on you.

Do you also think every sword-carrying man was a psychopathic murderer in medieval times ????


Your mind simply can't grasp the reality of the world methinks....

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Apart from wanting to instill fear in people, imo this could very well be an attempt from Radical extremists to also push for gun control in America. it would serve them.

No, they count on the Second Amendment to arm themselves, no questions asked. Can you provide one example of an attempted mass murder being stopped because a passer-by had a gun?