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If it's true Turkey screwed up. Russia screwed up by not responding to warnings (assuming that is true as that is the information we have).
originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Ploutonas
This is Article 51... I am sure Turkey could argue this, based on the fact Russian warplane was (allegedly) flying over their airspace. Ultimately there is sod all Russia can do toy Turkey that does not harm themselves and from a military standpoint Russia won't meddle with Turkey, even if NATO allowed them to.
That is why this is so dangerous.These Turks may be part of ISIS.You cannot tell a thing other than mass chaos is breaking out.
originally posted by: WW3acomin
Russian Su-24 pilots shot dead while parachuting over Syria - Turkmen militia
for me, shooting down the plane is one thing, but murdering the pilots for no reason is another.
originally posted by: Bearack
a reply to: Nikola014
I just heard that there is murmurs of a second Russian fighter being shot down. I've not seen anything yet but will post as soon as any confirmation.
originally posted by: kosmicjack
I don't get it. Turkey said they wanted to help combat ISIS but mostly bombed the Kurds.
A small detail to fill up the blanks so to speak ; Kurds that Turks bombed were allies of PKK terrorist organisation . In fact the PYD Kurds who Turks bombed was/is a branch of PKK who once had training camps in Syria under Asad's regime . Kurdistan President Barzani and Peshgerma Kurds were also on the side of Turks on this matter .
Then, when Russia actually starts bombing ISIS strong-holds, Turkey shoots down one of their plaines. What's their game?
The plane was killing innocent Turkmen civilians under the pretext of fighting ISIS . Turks have warned the Russians twice in last week and told them that the innocent people are being killed . Russians ignored these warnings because they want to exile the Turkmen of Syria out of the area . Militarily speaking this move would allow the PKK & PYD Kurdish forces to link up and form a Marxist-Leninist State which would be friendly to Russia in the aftermath of break up of Syria .
I really hope that the U.S. and NATO tread lightly on this, there doesn't seem to be a good side to pick.
Not if you understand that the 3.5 million Turkmen of Syria are being forced to defend their lives against Asad , Russia and Iran .
These Turkmen aren't ISIS'es backbone . They are FSO i.e they are ANTI - ISIS too .
NATO has been asked by Turks for such a shoot down and were given a Gren Light to Proceed . This is about the SOVERIGNTY OF NATO .
Additionally, I tend to think there is some hinky stuff going on in Turkey as Erdogan's been a bit of a wild card.
Of course he is a wild card . 1.7 Billion Muslims and Turks are the rightfull owners of Khilafate . If NATO wants to defragment then NATO should renegade on it's word . Which also is fine as far as Turks are concerned .
Plus we have those two women dead in Turkey under mysterious circumstances...the one found hanging in the airport bathroom and the other a reporter who ended up dead after claiming to have proof of ISIS getting resupplied through Turkey.