US planes violate Iranian airspace: reports

What part of the "Death to America" isn't a threat? Iran is the center of Evil and it's time is coming. When Islam invades Rome and murders the pope the euroworld will finally "get-it".

First thanx for your insight "Mr. Nice",

Have read and taken some time to think of your thoughts....must say don't agree with some of your thoughts.

I feel you are reaching for things.......

We must rember the Middle East has Patiants....like no other place in this world....so to think that this "WAR" for 30 years as you noted is complety out of wak man. Because if that's the case ....man we are going to lose 4 sure. We must also take into account the loss of life in the Iraq war....100,000 people (MIN.) so you have "generations" (2 min.) that "hate" America......for what it has done to that country and continues to do to this day....so if we are in this for the long run....then we lost now. Don't forget Bush will be gone and a few more years and the middle east next generation is coming.....so the next 30 years will have more people that hate america then today (man it's gon'a be a lot).

Thus I hope my thoughts will in some way, open your world to peace rather than War answers,

Your Canadian Friend,
Sven

I just hope that maybe...just maybe...all countries could respect eachother instead of the WAR nuts' out there (and no way I pointing my finger). But Would luv to see what America would do if we had planes flying into our air space.

The real operations have always been focused on IRAN. IRAN is our great enemy in the Islamic world. Saudi is easy to intimidate and control, Syria is isolated and weakened, and the other Arab countries do not have forces worth mentioning. However, Iran is working towards becoming a nuclear power, something the US and Israel will not tolerate or allow.

mr.nice, why do you have a name that doesnt suit you?

you sound like a "general" playing a game of Risk! moving armies from one "hostile" country to another, all apart of a grand plan, to "get rid of those pesky terrorists"! do you think that invading 3 islamic countries will increase the peace in middle east? you must be joking, man!
"you" will soon feel like a hungarian pornstar, having 3 russian di**s stuck in her holes!

i dont know what newspapers you read, or what newschannel you watch, but i belive there is still a serious threat in iraq and afganistan, while i am reading news like this:

baghdad suffers multiple bomb attacks
u.s. troops ambushed in afganistan
spy chief says 200.000 fighters in iraq

...i am thinking that you dont need more trouble from other sides, do you?

and while your making a list, put north korea on there for this newyears "resolutions", because i belive you are still having some bad memories from korea in the fifties.

i just cant belive why do men want to monger war in order to maintain peace? yet what they are doing instead is rushing this beautiful planet into a global destruction!
and that makes me sick!

Originally posted by MrNice
Foolish peeps…..

Whos foolish? The people asking questions and trying to learn? Or me for even replying to you?

This has ALWAYS been a war against Iran and the Bathist party. Those are the folks that declared war on us long ago and have been fighting low-intensity proxy wars against the U.S. for some 30 years now. Ever since the fall of the Shaw of Iran we have been at war with that country.

No there hasn't always been a war with Iran and the Bathists. In fact untill the fall of Iran the US was on pretty good terms with Iran.. and PUT the Bathists in power. How can you say that the war was declaired 'long ago' and say that there has 'always' been a war with them, and then contradict yourself at the last minute by saying that its only being going on for about 30 years or so?

OBL has simply given us an opportunity to bring this war to a final conclusion.

I think what you mean to say is that "BUSH has decided to use OBL as an excuse to bring this war to what he thinks will be a final conclusion." War never finally concludes anything. At the end of a war there is the peace table which everyone has to sit around.. (I don't know why they don't just skip the war part) ..and then they have to rebuild everything and bury the dead and figure out whos missing.. and trade prisoners and people coming back from the war need physical care and others need jobs, and school and sometimes those things are not in place for them (specially for the losing side) so I don't know what you mean by conclusion... any escalation in THIS current situation has a better chance of 'concluding' the human race itself then solving any sort of conflict. Anyone chearing for "MORE WAR" right now has no frelling idea how close we are at this EXACT moment to annilation. One itchy stupid trigger finger in NK (or washington) and its all over.

BTW.. if a nuke DID go off in the USA right now.. since SO MANY countries are ticked off at the US for things done in the past.. who would the US know who to blame? And do you suggest that the US just nukes anyone whoever threatened them with a nuke then? What happens.. say if rogue KGB planted a nuke in the US and detonated.. then the US goes after Iran like you are suggesting they do.. well.. they haven't really then solved anything have they? They are just spending more money on another useless conflict right?

The invasion of Afghanistan was to break Iranian AND Pakistani control in that area and establish one half of the giant pincer movement we are conducting. Iraq was the other pincer in this movement. Iran is now boxed in, with battlefield initiative on our side.

Pak cooperated fully in the US invasion of Afganistan and benifited greatly from the work they did.. if anything.. Pak has a stronger hold on Afganistan now then they did before 9-11. Why do you think Mushy has been targeted for assasination so many times since then? The battlefield initiative on 'our' (you mean the US) side? How do you know who has initiative? You don't think that Iran couldn't hold out for along time in there?

Actually I think the real question is... do you honestly think the rest of the Islamic world is going to sit by and be 'next in line' if the US DOES hit Iran? You are dreaming. Iran hasn't been under sanctions for 10 years. They have been able to aquire just about every single weapon that Russia has to sell.... you seem pretty excited about the prospect of an attack on Iran.

Well let me clear something up for you right now. If the US attacks Iran, it will not be another Iraq or Afganistan. You will see US causualties racked up faster and higher then you can keep track of. It will make these hummer attacks look like a bad summer vacation trip. AND YOU my little friend will be choosen to replace those dead soldiers. And YOU will be going up against Russian weaponry on soil that if YOU get captured on... you will be tortured nearly to death and then ... killed. Ever see the Deer Hunter? Rent it some time.

It really doesn’t matter to us one whit if Iraq has a democratic government. It matters that the insurgency has no base of operations and that the violence remains at a low level of intensity. There will always be Arab Muslims willing to blow themselves up for some stupid reason or another. We recognize that and understand we are 1-2 generations from Iraq becoming a stable country. So we accept the situation but use the more stable areas in the region to set up our power base.

Whos 'us' ... I thought the whole idea of these wars WAS to bring democracy to these countries? Or do you just like war for wars sake? Why am I replying to this message? The insurgencys 'base of operations' is IRAQ! So I don't know how you think setting up a US presence in the country over the long term (Bush doesn't even want this.. what is with you man?) AND BTW... Iraq WAS a stable country until we conned Saddam in to attacking Kuwait and then put sanctions against the country for years and years THEN attacked it again just last year.. you know the rest.. Iraq was perfectly fine until hell broke loose in 91. Sure Saddam was a bastard, but the thing is.. for the most part if you kept your head down and worked hard (just as anyone else does in the USA who wants a nice life) then you wouldn't have any problems. Its not like the guy was randomly looking for people to torture to death... I don't care WHAT lies you want to throw at me over that fact.. leaders have better things to do then that.. think.

The real operations have always been focused on IRAN. IRAN is our great enemy in the Islamic world. Saudi is easy to intimidate and control, Syria is isolated and weakened, and the other Arab countries do not have forces worth mentioning. However, Iran is working towards becoming a nuclear power, something the US and Israel will not tolerate or allow.

OUR? YOURS? You have made an enemy out of Iran just because the people who run your government does? What did anyone in Iraq OR Iran ever do to you? YOU should have the backbone to decide FOR YOURSELF who is and is not your enemy. When you get older.. if you have lived well.. you will have many enemies as you do friends.. you don't need your goverenement adding its own adgenda to your enemies list.. unless that is just your goal in life.. to be a little cheerleader for your government whenever whoever is in charge decides to attack someone. Pretty sad little life you got there.. if I were you I would just quit while you are obviously behind already and take up a peacefull hobby of some sort.. before your older and all you have are lots and lots of enemies in countries you probablly never had to visit.. unless of course your government sent you there to do their work for themselves. Saudi is NOT easy to intimidate or control. Like.. do you have ANY clue other then what CNN spouts off to you? The people ruling Saudi could DESTROY the US economy TOMORROW! IF ANYTHING they are running the US LEADERS BUDDY! Not the other way around. And if you think differently.. look at how many times a SA ruler has hooked up a Bush with a business.. btw.. do you know ANYTHING about the links between Bush and the Bin Ladens and SA and etc..etc..?

Not even Bush is talking about 'terrorists from iran' ... I don't know where you get your info from buddy.

They also fund a majority of these terrorists and terrorists acts throughout the region. They are a cancer that will be removed. Bush knows this, the world knows this but some in this board seem to be ignorant of it.

You have any proof of this or you just repeating what your government told you? Or just what CNN has been telling you? WHERE is YOUR proof that Iran has been funding terrorists? When was the last time you heard of Iranian terrorists.. like actually ADMITING that they are "terrorists FROM the GOVERENMENT of IRAN" .. you haven't.. they do not exist.

Once Iran falls the organized insurgency in Iraq is dead. Osama will be discredited with three major Arab world governments having collapsed due to his actions…how many friends do you think he’ll have after that?

This is a total misconception.. MOST of the Iraq insurgence.. are ACTUALLY FROM Iraq... Iran is not putting people on the ground.. and do you not think there isn't enough weaponry in Iraq to kill americans without Irans help? Iran has NOTHING to do with the insurgency in Iraq. Of course it was people like you who said "When we kill everyone in fallujah THEN the insurgency will end" ... use your head buddy.. the insurgency will END when the USA either pulls out or is all killed.. or every able bodied iraqi is dead...one of those anyways.

The terrorists are fighting tooth and nail in Iraq because they know this. They know if they cannot turn the tide in Iraq they are finished.

The Syrian government will have another bloody coup and power purge, I’m surprised it has not happened already. FYI: I don’t see where a long-term insurgency could be fueled from if we invade Iran. The Mullahs are pretty much despised and Iran’s younger generation is ready to join the world. Remember, Iran is NOT a Arab country it is Persian, which are a much better breed of folks IMHO. Once the Arab influence is removed from Iran the Persians might just instigate a nice little purge.

The terrorists? Man.. lololol.. who were you calling foolish again? Why is it so hard for you to believe that the 'insergecency' is not fueled by people FROM iraq that are pissed off that the USA is in their country. What is easier... that someone from Iraq can pick up an AK and start killing US soldiers or that people are traveling from all over the place to enter the war zone and kill us soldiers (in a land they are unfamilier with) just because it is an opertunity?

Actually.. now that I reread the end of your message I see I have totally been wasting my time as your post was probablly racially motivated this entire time. Sad.. very sad.

There is no such thing as a better 'breed' of people.. I guarrenty you that once you start down that slipperly slope it doesn't stop when you want it to stop. And I'm sure there is someone out there who thinks 'HIS BREED" is better then whatever breed you are of.. I'd like to see how you would handle YOUR homeland being occupide

Waste of my time... gotta be more carefull around here.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
What part of the "Death to America" isn't a threat? Iran is the center of Evil and it's time is coming. When Islam invades Rome and murders the pope the euroworld will finally "get-it".

If they are chanting 'death to america' then why would they invade rome? And I'd bet that the pope is so way close to death that it would be a total waste of money to launch an assasination attempt on him. Why do you believe this is going to happen anyways? Did nostrodames or the bible tell you so?

"The terrorists? Man.. lololol.. who were you calling foolish again? Why is it so hard for you to believe that the 'insergecency' is not fueled by people FROM iraq that are pissed off that the USA is in their country. What is easier... that someone from Iraq can pick up an AK and start killing US soldiers or that people are traveling from all over the place to enter the war zone and kill us soldiers (in a land they are unfamilier with) just because it is an opertunity?"

Perhaps it is all the Id's and etc that is being take off the dead bodies that tell us that the locals aren't the terrorist.

Originally posted by Vis Mega

Originally posted by DrHoracid
What part of the "Death to America" isn't a threat? Iran is the center of Evil and it's time is coming. When Islam invades Rome and murders the pope the euroworld will finally "get-it".

If they are chanting 'death to america' then why would they invade rome? And I'd bet that the pope is so way close to death that it would be a total waste of money to launch an assasination attempt on him. Why do you believe this is going to happen anyways? Did nostrodames or the bible tell you so?

well, i am glad there are some same people living in northern america, even if across the border from the u.s. well maybe too close to them, you never know when there are going to be "terrorists" hidden in some of your woods, so i suggest you be carefull!

Originally posted by DrHoracid
What part of the "Death to America" isn't a threat? Iran is the center of Evil and it's time is coming. When Islam invades Rome and murders the pope the euroworld will finally "get-it".

dear god, what paranoid fools did the u.s. propaganda machine produce!

great fear is sense in you; that is good for your goverments control over you, because if they keep you afraid you will consume everything, and buy just about every crappy story they sell you. and i see they are doing that with great success. very good for them, but very bad for you, my friend, since you are the puppet and they are the puppet masters.

"they say jump, you say how high!"

i just wish you could see this world wide situation from my point of view. that you could see with my eyes. then it would all be so clear to you.
because i see now, that you are very confused.

No there hasn't always been a war with Iran and the Bathists. In fact untill the fall of Iran the US was on pretty good terms with Iran.. and PUT the Bathists in power. How can you say that the war was declaired 'long ago' and say that there has 'always' been a war with them, and then contradict yourself at the last minute by saying that its only being going on for about 30 years or so?

�This has ALWAYS been a war against Iran and the Bathist party� Please reread that sentence. I guess my problem here was thinking you understood the pronoun to be �War on Terror�. No where did I say we were ALWAYS (i.e.: Forever) at war with Iran. When Iran was dominated by Persian influence we were on good terms with them and I hope we will be once again.

I think what you mean to say is that "BUSH has decided to use OBL as an excuse to bring this war to what he thinks will be a final conclusion." War never finally concludes anything. At the end of a war there is the peace table which everyone has to sit around.. (I don't know why they don't just skip the war part) ..and then they have to rebuild everything and bury the dead and figure out whos missing.. and trade prisoners and people coming back from the war need physical care and others need jobs, and school and sometimes those things are not in place for them (specially for the losing side) so I don't know what you mean by conclusion... any escalation in THIS current situation has a better chance of 'concluding' the human race itself then solving any sort of conflict. Anyone chearing for "MORE WAR" right now has no frelling idea how close we are at this EXACT moment to annilation. One itchy stupid trigger finger in NK (or washington) and its all over.

BTW.. if a nuke DID go off in the USA right now.. since SO MANY countries are ticked off at the US for things done in the past.. who would the US know who to blame? And do you suggest that the US just nukes anyone whoever threatened them with a nuke then? What happens.. say if rogue KGB planted a nuke in the US and detonated.. then the US goes after Iran like you are suggesting they do.. well.. they haven't really then solved anything have they? They are just spending more money on another useless conflict right?

I think you should just read what I say instead of telling me what I think, setting up a straw man argument, and then jumping on that.

This war will CERTAINLY conclude the power concentration of Mullahs within the Arab world. I understand completely how close things are to spinning out of control�they are a lot less close now that we are taking action than they were when we sat around not responding to attack after attack.

I didn�t mention using nukes in my quote anywhere�quit being hysterical�

Pak cooperated fully in the US invasion of Afganistan and benifited greatly from the work they did.. if anything.. Pak has a stronger hold on Afganistan now then they did before 9-11. Why do you think Mushy has been targeted for assasination so many times since then? The battlefield initiative on 'our' (you mean the US) side? How do you know who has initiative? You don't think that Iran couldn't hold out for along time in there?

Really? My has musharif had to purge his security forces? (who were deeply involved in setting up the Taliban and their reign of terror in Afghanistan). If you think Pakistan cooperated 100% with our invasion of Afganistan then I�m afraid you�ve been misled.

Actually I think the real question is... do you honestly think the rest of the Islamic world is going to sit by and be 'next in line' if the US DOES hit Iran? You are dreaming. Iran hasn't been under sanctions for 10 years. They have been able to aquire just about every single weapon that Russia has to sell.... you seem pretty excited about the prospect of an attack on Iran.

Yes� I really believe the Islamic world respects the use of force. Nothing in the last 100-200 years of gulf-war warfare shows me anything that would indicate otherwise. They tend to have good irregular guerilla forces but no serious conventional forces.

Well let me clear something up for you right now. If the US attacks Iran, it will not be another Iraq or Afganistan. You will see US causualties racked up faster and higher then you can keep track of. It will make these hummer attacks look like a bad summer vacation trip. AND YOU my little friend will be choosen to replace those dead soldiers. And YOU will be going up against Russian weaponry on soil that if YOU get captured on... you will be tortured nearly to death and then ... killed. Ever see the Deer Hunter? Rent it some time.

Really? The government of Iran is buying the Sunni resistance with payoffs and blood ties. The Sunnies are starting to paint themselves into a dangerous corner. If their support from the government of Iran disappear they might just be setting themselves up for a nasty end at the hands of the neighbors.

You think the Iranian government is loved? Ha! You think we have to invade to topple them? Not at all.

Russian weaponry is pathetic. I AM a veteran and have seen the results of Russian military hardware vs. U.S. hardware. The Marines have an excellent set of Iraqi armor on their base as showpieces. It�s pathetic. Iran is dog meat in a conventional war against the U.S. and they know it. Hence their need to develop nukes.

Whos 'us' ... I thought the whole idea of these wars WAS to bring democracy to these countries? Or do you just like war for wars sake? Why am I replying to this message? The insurgencys 'base of operations' is IRAQ! So I don't know how you think setting up a US presence in the country over the long term (Bush doesn't even want this.. what is with you man?) AND BTW... Iraq WAS a stable country until we conned Saddam in to attacking Kuwait and then put sanctions against the country for years and years THEN attacked it again just last year.. you know the rest.. Iraq was perfectly fine until hell broke loose in 91. Sure Saddam was a bastard, but the thing is.. for the most part if you kept your head down and worked hard (just as anyone else does in the USA who wants a nice life) then you wouldn't have any problems. Its not like the guy was randomly looking for people to torture to death... I don't care WHAT lies you want to throw at me over that fact.. leaders have better things to do then that.. think.

Wow are you na�ve! You think Iraq was this stable paradise before it attacked Kuwait? Think back just a little further..it�s called the Iraq / Iran war.

No the idea was to stop WMD�s from being used against our population centers. The unsaid agenda was to pressure the Saudi Security forces into full cooperation and for the U.S. to drive a wedge into the region. All this Democracy talk has been feature creep on the original mission. I think Bush even said before the invasion he was not interested in Nation Building.

Kept you head down? Really? Think so? There are MASS GRAVES of children and women being unearthed (100�s of thousands). There are rape rooms and torture chambers where women were abducted at random and unspeakable things were done to them. Please this kind of �Saddam was OK� bullsh!it really boils my blood. Saddam was a psychopath and the Mullahs of Iran are fanatics.

Let�s not sugar coat our enemies here. They are bloodthirsty fanatics who would not hesitate to take every man, women and child in America, line them up in the streets and kill them in unspeakable ways (See Rape of Nanking for some examples). I prefer we kill them first. If that unsettles you, by all means go fight for the Jihad.

Wow�I�m not going to bother with the rest�Believe what you will�.it will make no difference�rest assured Iran is next and a LOT of Persians are going to be purging the Arabs from their midst�s.

well, i am glad there are some same people living in northern america, even if across the border from the u.s. well maybe too close to them, you never know when there are going to be "terrorists" hidden in some of your woods, so i suggest you be carefull!

I got two words for that: �RED NECKS�. Your poor fighters would get eaten alive in our woods. We�ve got folks who hunt these woods every day for generations. You really need to study our history a bit more. The British and French found fighting inside our territory a terribly exciting experience, one they seem to unwilling to repeat.

Your guys could probably hide in a national park�until we learned you were there�then it they would be toast�

First of all, is anybody surprised at all that we have flown some planes over Iranian airspace?

Secondly, no way in the world were those planes �spying�. Certainly not F16 and F18�s. Those planes are doing exactly two things:

1) Testing Iranian response
2) Hoping to incite an �incident�

That�s it, pure and simple. You could set your watch by the events and discussions regarding Iran right now. First up, build anti Iranian sentiment by accusing them of having offensive nuke technology. Secondly start taunting them into starting a conflict to help justify the invasion that�s coming eventually no matter what.

Dubya does what he wants, period. I�m surprised he even ATTEMPTS to build support and reasoning anymore for his actions.

Here was what I think:

I think Dubya TRULY thinks that he can pull troops (not all) out of Iraq soon after the elections (stupid, I know). I think he feels once he has �available� troops again the campaign against Iran will start. I bet an attack or invasion of Iran is SCHEDULED for this year.

Right now the pump is being primed, that�s all it is. Get your Kevlar skivvies out people, its going to get ugly�

I'm not sure what to think. There's a very good chance one of those planes could be downed - and having a plane shot down when it's over somebody elses airspace doesn't exactly reflect well on you. It's a bit like trying to break into a persons house and then getting a smack in the face when you're found out - people won't have much sympathy! On the other hand, I can't imagine why else they would be using F-18's or F-16's for recon in this case - seems a bit of a risk when they've got other, safer alternatives.

As for invading Iran, part of me thinks it won't happen. Even in the best case scenario it would be very difficult and almost complete madness. What scares me is that the only way Bush & Co can make that idea float is if there was massive public support and even a draft. And for that to happen you would need another 9/11, or worse. So basically I have a bad feeling I know what's coming soon

Iran does pose a formidble problem for the U.S. and its allies in the region. The overflights recently in my opinion have been to test the Iranians air def. systems. One must note that in the '90s, we pushed these guys through some Top Gun schools here in the U.S. One must also wonder what the status of their nuclear endevors are. How many nukes do they have? Are their delivery systems accurate enoungh to hit their neighbors? It is really not a question of if we are going to take them,it is a question of when. Now another factor is Israel and just what it is going to take for them to send a few planes over and knock out one or two of the Irainan Nuke. plants. These posessed by the Irainans worry the region as a whole. My guess it that Israel is going to go against our wishes and take them out. Then once again, we will have to cover their butts. My best guess is that we will have some sort of military intervention in 8 to 10 months. I pray that we do not because we are already spread thin as it is. Talk about one heck of a firestorm. When we hook up with them, it is going to get a little toasty!.

If this incident is true it really is difficult to believe that the fighters
were somehow off course. Given the alleged type of aircraft involved and their advanced navigational systems it just doesn't seem plausible:

www.airforce-technology.com...

"The F-16 was the first operational US aircraft to receive global positioning system (GPS)."

On the other hand given the U.S. military's past history of "precision" navigation anything is possible :

www.cpf.navy.mil...
www.wsws.org...
news.bbc.co.uk...

With the pinpoint accuracy of smart munitions & satellite guidance this is no doubt some type of reconnaissance mission for what's to come. I don't blame the Iranians one bit for defending their land, as another user pointed out if Cuban aircraft were mistakingly in U.S airspace it would hit the fan.

brill

[edit on 3-1-2005 by brill]

I checked out this article with some military guys and they howled with laughter. They said it was bogus : something to do with the fact they don't fly F16s any longer. Those are too old and obsolete.

Please recheck your sources.

Originally posted by defrag99

I checked out this article with some military guys and they howled with laughter. They said it was bogus : something to do with the fact they don't fly F16s any longer. Those are too old and obsolete.

Please recheck your sources.

No, Chiapet.. we laughed because of the 'F-16 Tomcat' line.

And, just in case y'all miss my other post... defrag99 is your previously banned member Chaiyah. We just banned it on Military.com where it's been annoying the shiznit out of us.

Her post on our board about this:

forums.military.com... 192893&m=126101605

Eagle

[edit on 3-1-2005 by eagle334th]

Originally posted by Souljah

you can kill the poeple
but you can not control them.

learn that once and for all!!!

Don't you mean that it's easier to kill the people than to control them?

Well, that's your choice and it can be granted!

Again,
We ALL know that the F-14 is called the 'Tomcat'. However... reporters can be dolts when it comes to technical stuff. How many times have we all seen mainstream reporters in the US calling B-52s 'B-17s' and the like?

So, the tech flub doesn't discredit the entire story, like someone above said. From this article, it's reasonable to assume that there are 'things' flying over Iran that the Iranians are not happy about. Whether they're from the USA or Zeta Reticuli has yet to be seen.

Originally posted by eagle334th
No, Chiapet.. we laughed because of the 'F-16 Tomcat' line.

Uh, one question! Since when did the Falcon turn into the Tomcat?

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams


Again,
We ALL know that the F-14 is called the 'Tomcat'. However... reporters can be dolts when it comes to technical stuff. How many times have we all seen mainstream reporters in the US calling B-52s 'B-17s' and the like?

So, the tech flub doesn't discredit the entire story, like someone above said. From this article, it's reasonable to assume that there are 'things' flying over Iran that the Iranians are not happy about. Whether they're from the USA or Zeta Reticuli has yet to be seen.

Apparently Defrag didn't know the F-14 is the Tomcat.. hence the laughter that went her way. But, if you look at the article she posted on our website.. it was an obvious propaganda site from Iran. She tried to pass it off as from someone she knew... when in reality, she swiped it from here.

Anyways.. my work here is done..y'all have a good one!
Eagle