Scientists at Large Haldron Collider Hope to Make Contact with Parallel Universe in Days

a reply to: peppycat

Pretty much, fits in the paradigm

a reply to: zerozone These mad scientists rubbing their hands together and grinning with insane glee, have to put their genius minds to work. Their minds only work for power, thus displaying a serious mind-heart disconnect. Their third Chakras are probably spinning out of wack and out of proportion. Their minds are only focused on self serving power and care little for what is truly important.
How this experiment truly helps humanity, I don't know. They are so far from touching down to this beautiful planet that desperately needs attention as well as it's occupants do. Although full of intelligence they lack a connection to the present reality that is here and now in this universe and on Planet Earth.
Maybe they know something we don't and need to understand the workings of space because human beings don't have long on planet Earth. Who knows?
Your post really got me thinking, thank you Zerozone.

a reply to: peppycat

Haha pretty funny given that scientists have the lease power, both in wealth and politics in the world if you actually bothered to fact check... pretty much makes half of your post truly incorrect. Maybe one should look at him/herself and figure out personal misconceptions of reality.

The LHC has provided a wealth of knowledge and development, it is just a shame that much of it people will only acknowledge its usefulness when they require an exotic treatment for an ailment, or use some computing technology that was commercialized without reference to the origin... then, never acknowledge that the person who made it possible is likely not wealthy, is probably working 70-80 hour weeks for a meagre salary, cannot afford any happiness or normality that most take for grated since money and work do not allow it.

My source? Well myself and most of the people i know Years of education, working for less than low skilled labour, on tasks no one is interested in unless it can give them a new shiny cell phone, unable to afford having children. People often equate scientists to being extremely capitalistic, but the reality is absolutely the opposite.

But hey, you guys know best right...

a reply to: peppycat

Their third Chakras are probably spinning out of wack and out of proportion. Their minds are only focused on self serving power and care little for what is truly important.

im done here
i dont even know what i was thinking

a reply to: ErosA433 I meant the power of their inflated egos through fame in their fields of study, not money and I'm specifically referring to the experiments with the Haldron collider and not any medical advancements the LHC has made.

Can you tell me how the experiment in the OP will help humanity because I'm open minded, but still have no clue what good it does for Earth or the people on the planet Earth.

a reply to: peppycat

inflated Ego is useless outside people who care... and no one really cares about particle physics other than a few soundbites. No one cares enough that even the media who report on these things don't give it even a fraction of the representation that they should...

Ways the LHC and particle physics has aided mankind

1) Detector development
-Ever had a PET scan? that is Positron Emission Tomography, an advanced form of medical imaging that is basically a medical particle physics experiment.
-Not LHC related, but other areas of particle physics has yielded ways of combining PET and NMR imaging also, and at a lower cost, bringing medical diagnosis to more people who need it
2) Beam technologies
-Not strictly LHC, but particle physics in general, creating directed radiation treatments that are less harmful for the patient in the form of proton radio therapy.
-beam technologies are heavily used in virus research and the development of new drugs
3) Communication technology
-Without leaning on WWW, which came out of CERN long ago, the developments that surround large scale parallel data analysis required to process LHC experimental data in the form of GRID computing, allowed small scale offshoots or inspiration for real working cloud computing and cloud storage systems to be shown not only feasible but economical also... not really an invention of CERN but more of a large group of people showing that it works and is useful and spurring others to tag along with a user friendly development of the same idea.
4) Power distribution
- The large scale deployment of super conducting magnets was industrially useful as it seeded many engineering companies with the knowledge of how to design and produce super conducting systems. What was once just small scale air brained ideas of a few scientists in a low temperature lab, is being rolled out around the world in power distribution centres to allow more efficient power distribution
5) Materials science
-Building the experiments at the LHC required advanced materials in places and in many cases invention of mechanical methods of fabrication and installation, all of which are useful
-Advancement of our Fusion programs around the world, many of the technical challenges of radiation hardness of materials and equipment, and the use of cryogenics on a large scale has greatly pushed projects forward.
-Radiation containment
6) Engineering and industry
-All the cost of building the device got injected back into the economy, not just put into some CEOs pocket.
7) Data-science
-Many of the people who spent years looking at LHC data are moving into high tech industries allowing the production of powerful analysis algorgims with applications ranging from medicine right through to stock markets

There are probably more, but these are the quick ones i can think of

a reply to: ErosA433 thank you for the reply I really do appreciate your taking the time to list all of those advancements that have come from scientists who study these things which are beyond me.

This whole talk of CERN trying to get to another universe is I what I am trying to understand and when I look up the Haldron collider on science based websites all I gather is that they are smashing protons to recreate the big bang theory and this I'm for the life of me hoping for an answer as to why.

Why the need to recreate the big bang and to what purpose does it serve human kind?

In my mind, scientists who try to prove this big bang theory correct are only trying to get their name in lights and go down in history forever. Unless of course proving the big bang theory does indeed help mankind then good for them, I just want to know how this particular experiment at CERN is going to help anything.

a reply to: ErosA433

On this scale no, i really dont want them to do it on this scale...

a reply to: peppycat

It will actually help..

a reply to: Hyperia Well, if you know that can you tell me how recreating the big bang theory will help?
I've been waiting for this information, thinking somebody here knows, but I might just have to scour similar after similar article on the subject.

a reply to: Hyperia

why?
you know almost anything about the physics or math involved (i know i dont really come all that close)
but you dont want them to do it on this scale

because you have opinions on matters that you have not even begun to understand

Didnt Oppenheimer thought when the first test of the Atomic Bomb
that the chain reaction from the cause of it wouldn't stop ?

I have no Worries .. as We might Live in a Hologram universe!
as some in the scientific filed may think.

Dimensional beings here we come !

Let crack that Dimensional Hole.

The Doors - Break on through
Lyrics:
You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side, yeah

Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is straight ( CERN )
Deep and wide ( CERN )
Break on through to the other side ( Black Hole Dimension )
Break on through to the other side, Yeah! *6

an alternative in a Micro Level.. Which CERN already played with

Sonoluminescence
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: rickymouse

Parallel universes are taken very seriously in the scientific community these days. It would go a long way in explaining the behavior of quantum mechanics.

No it wouldn't, and it won't.

Why are they so on track with PARALLEL.

Because it has been forcefed to them, by the same that lead every other civilization to the brink and then CLOSED it.

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Can somebody explain to me exactly what the purpose of this multi-billion dollar project is? And what good is it gonna do for humanity opening other parallel realities?

This is just like a plot in a movie scene where the Scientists unknowingly open up the portal that merges to our reality, entities that lurk the abyss...

Definitely it is a project being run by those who wish to send some hordes from here, to another area where they can finish the avatars that actually believe they are safe, and part of Creations Plan.

You know, the same group that believes SOURCE, is all of everything,

And that they are too advanced to be affected by anything here, on a technological scale.

a reply to: peppycat

I think they are saying that if they can observe so far unobserved particle physics, then they can learn new things that will lead to new technologies. It is probably how they are getting funding.

a reply to: fartlordsupreme

We are not what you think we are, monkeys nothing more

what's funny to me is that scientists (astrophysicists) deny that electricity has to do anything with what happens in the universe (bashing electric/plasma theory), but they need humongous amount of it when creating a black hole?

hilarious

a reply to: peppycat

Well in reality most of the research at the LHC is basically attempting to achieve conditions similar to those present at the Big Bang, truth is that despite the power of the device we don't quite get there.

Scientifically they are trying to understand the fundamental laws and forces that govern the universe. We have a big theory which is probably one of the greatest achievements of modern science known as The Standard Model of Particle Physics.

This model describes the fundamental interactions that occur in nature today. Using the model I can say "What happens when I fire an electron at particle X" and the model will predict a plethora of outcomes with a probability associated with each. If i was to perform this experiment, I would find the model and the reality very close.

So if we know it? why bother?

Well the model is not complete, it contains parameters we do not fully understand and there are still inaccuracies at the higher energy scales. There are also some very glaring problems with our observations and theoretical models in a couple of places... these are

Neutrino physics - Predicted to be massless, instead they have mass and not only that, but they oscillate in flavour...

Grand Unification - A theory of everything should be able to describe everything moving back to a singular force that governs everything at ultra-high energy. this theory is not proven, but there is evidence for it. We already know that the operators that govern electromagnetism combine with the weak force at high energy in order to become the electro-weak force. Well given that two forces do it, why not the other two? Gravity, and the strong force? This would have great implications for the evolution of the universe.

Matter-anti-matter asymmetry - We look into the night sky and we see matter... but no anti-matter... why? well we don't know, but there has to have existed a difference between the property of matter and anti-matter somewhere in the standard model. If we can figure that out, we can answer this big looming question. The search for it is in Charge Parity violation, currently, all measurements of CP violating processes do not give the amplitude required to produce a matter dominated universe.

Dark Matter - One of the simplest dark matter models is that of the weakly interacting massive particle (WIMP), if it is a particle that couples to the standard model, we have hope of creating it. This could be in the form of a super partner akin to Supersymmetry (that isn't actually 100% ruled out by the way). This would answer another enormous question as to the formation and structure of the universe.

The Higgs - The Higgs was the proposed carrier of Mass, analogous to the photon being the force carrier of the electromagnetic field, the higgs is an excitation of that field to produce a particle. The higgs field theoretically gives mass to all particles, and such, the discovery of the Higgs is quite an amazing achievement. BUT it doesn't stop there. there are theories that say it is possible to have different numbers and types of higgs , so the search for those continues.

Sooooo these are the big questions...

Now where do black holes and extra-dimentions come into this? Well, these come in the form of fringe theories and researchers looking for oddities in the data that show signs of physics beyond the standard model that might hint at something totally new. Black holes are part of string theory predictions of which we have resounding evidence is not correct (the prediction isnt correct) but for some reason the media LOVE to still talk about it. Extra-dimensions in the most simple form is often a way of trying to tie in gravity to the standard model but it can also be mechanisms for things like CP violation... So it is not at all in any way a primary physics goal, to look into alternate dimensions, it really is theory on the fringes.

Basically media likes doom porn more than it does science. iv seen it happen, iv been interviewed for a news paper for the experiment I work for... I got asked standard questions of why i think it is interesting etc, then i got asked if we can create black holes or if there is any danger for the planet at the LHC (Despite the experiment actually being nothing to do with the LHC)

The history behind blackholes and the LHC actually goes back to the Tevatron in the US when a biologist who liked to read papers read a sting theory paper (which i guarantee you he didnt understand), but what he did understand was from the paper was - High energy -> Black holes.... black holes -> Death

He then went to the media and 40 years later we are still talking about it like it is something new.

People need to understand that the real outcome of this pursuit of knowledge is that lots of technological developments must be performed before we can build these devices. These developments are often small and change nothing on the grand scheme of things. Other times these solutions have huge implications for peoples day to day life. Early adoption of computers back in the early days fell into two categories. 1) Military simulation of aircraft and nuclear devices and 2) Particle physics

So you could argue that the reason we have such nice computing technology is in some part thanks to science, and not just the science of killing each other.

I do just get a little bit saddened when people perpetuate garbage about science. I understand the points made about waisting money but at the same time i disagree also. Science spending is tiny in comparison to almost all other forms of government spending. So why pick on the guy who is actually trying to advance the knowledge of mankind? We kick that person and want to cut his/her funding, and yet we don't seem to mind that the wealthiest, most greedy, perhaps even evil people in the world are the ones who get the highest benefits / cost the taxpayer the most money... and yet... we don't appear to care too much... oh but that guy in the labcoat... GET HIM!

Id love to solve world hunger and the homeless... but... while ever an organization such as the catholic church is in existence, i believe that organization can get cut out first before science gets cut. It is one of the most wealthy establishments in the world, it preaches against materialism and at the same time is disgustingly opulent, IT could solve a great deal of world hunger if it wanted to... but... it doesnt want to. It says it does, and does a tiny but... but it doesn't really practice what it preaches.

a reply to: fartlordsupreme

My opinions are based on reality, this Universe, take a walk in nature.. All your answers are there.. This is all theoretical, that means it doesnt exist outside your imagination until its proven it can exist within this universe.. That means a 3D reality.. Einsteins theory is s***, it fits a paradigm created within a theory of Big Bang..

originally posted by: Iamnotadoctor
Your Albert Einstein quote was not his quote.
It's a quote from a book written by E.F. Schumacher.

You are correct, thank you for pointing that out to me!
Corrections will be made! *__-

The point remains, though!