Even if God(s) Existed, I Wouldn't Worship Him/Them

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Have you ever wondered why you care about this subject so much?

Because it's a topic that keeps coming up, whether or not one cares. Sooner rather than later, it's going to be in your face. Again.

Says the OP that brings the topic up.

I think the problem on the world today is people like to preach their beliefs religious and atheist....

In the case of Christianity, you will eventually worship Jesus Christ. He said "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."

That being said, if I had to hazard a guess, I would suppose that Jesus does not want you to waste your time worshiping useless gods that do not exist. Since it is a given that you will focus your love on someone or something in your life, Jesus wants you to focus on Him. You may not know it now, but it will be best for your mental health to do so. It is good to have an object for your love and devotion that you can trust, and that is flawless, rather than the ups and downs of trusting flawed people or loving inanimate things.

My guess, therefore, is that Jesus Christ does it for your own good, not that He needs it. It's part of our makeup to respect and love something more than ourselves, or spend a lifetime searching for that "something" that we are missing in life....something or some need that we fill with alcohol, drugs, porn, or the like. Jesus Christ would rather you did not go down those destructive pathways, so He would like to see you spend that time constructively for your own good. Why? Because He loves you. I have found that my prayer life helps me to meditate on my issues and clarify them so I can solve them. Other than that, I have found that prayer changes things. Call it The Matrix if you like, but I have repeatedly found that things have changed within minutes over 500 miles away after asking for them to change. I have a very special and close relationship with God, and it has taken a lifetime of prayer and obedience to get there. There really is a God, and you really can get a close relationship with Him. Seriously. The relationship is amazing, and it is based on humility. So, if you want to get closer to God, first become humble. Jesus humbled Himself by becoming a lowly man without means, born in a stable, and never 'had a place to lay His head' so to speak. He spent a lot of time in prayer to His Father. I would take that example and use it. Also, He will show Himself to you when you do. It has happened to many, including me, and it can happen to you. Good luck in your search for a god you can respect enough to get on your knees, and love enough to humble yourself.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Not only would I not worship such a deity, I would do my best to rally support in combating such a vile [likely alien] being. As futile as that would surely be.

Now religious entities aside, the actual Creator? Yes. I would give total reverence to the Creator. Should there be one.

Some deities are metaphors for either earthly, human or celestial novelties.

What's wrong with that?

a reply to: FlyingFox

I don't think WakeUpBeer meant it metaphorically when he proposed god(s) existing.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

As a spiritual atheist I believe that these 'gods' are simply powerful spirits/ Cosmic Entities a la the Marvel Comics (Think of Marvel Cosmic Entities like the Celestials, Galactus, Death etc.)

God doesn't need you to worship Him, God doesn't require you to worship Him, but if you are going to live in His universe then you have to be a being of love (1Jn 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love) because God is love and anything else is anti-God (as in anti-matter) and anti-universe. Anything that is not love, rips and tears at the fabric of the universe, and it rips and tears at other beings who God has made too. Therefore if you are not going to be a being of love you are ejected from His universe and you can go and make your own universe, if you can.

Nobody is the embodiment of love, not all the time. This is because your spirit is dead. You were born with a dead spirit, through no fault of your own, and you will do the works of anti-God, anti-universe. But God became human (Jesus), and through no fault of His own, Jesus died so you woudn't have to, so your spirit could be born again and you could be a being of love - always (Joh 1:12 Some, however, did receive him and believed in him; so he gave them the right to become God's children).

The passages taken out of context in the Bible that you think are God demanding to be worshiped are about God telling the people who made a deal with him (this extends to anyone who wants to be part of His universe) that they had to become beings of love, and to do this it starts with worshiping Him. What is worship? Not bowing down and singing to God but doing His will, and He is love, so doing love.

1 Samuel 15:22 But Samuel replied, "What is more pleasing to the LORD: your burnt offerings and sacrifices or your obedience to his voice? Listen! Obedience is better than sacrifice, and submission is better than offering the fat of rams.

Micah 6:8 No, the LORD has told us what is good. What he requires of us is this: to do what is just, to show constant love, and to live in humble fellowship with our God.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

So essentially advanced aliens? Or do you mean the Universe manifests itself into various entities?

As far as to any allusions to a God of love being the Christian God...

I see him as far from anything but psychopathic.

A few loving words hardly make up for anything past or to allegedly come.

But hey sinners deserve to die according to the all loving and merciful.

If I did believe in Santa I wouldn't take a present of him, even if it were smokes and booze
If I did believe in Santa I wouldn't accept his silly red hat and outfit that would be to hot in summer

If I had an ounce of common sense I would question my comments

Santa is real kids, but no smokes or booze

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
As far as to any allusions to a God of love being the Christian God...

I see him as far from anything but psychopathic.

A few loving words hardly make up for anything past or to allegedly come.

But hey sinners deserve to die according to the all loving and merciful.

If the two of us were living in a perfect universe and you wanted to continue in your selfish life instead of being transformed in to a being of love, I would want you dead too.

a reply to: Cinrad

Yet god is a jealous god, and forbids you from worshiping everything else other than it.

Sounds pretty loving in a overprotective mom kind of way.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

So you are an atheist eh. ?

Well I hope you can stay moral as things get tough considering you are an atheist

This is assuming you are moral right now

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

I challenge you to name a single deity that would be worthy of enough of my praise and admiration that I should actually consider worshiping it, and why.

How about the deity that saw fit to create you in a time and place where you can freely trash Him on the internet from the comfort of your living room whilst sipping a frosty brew?

You know, instead of sticking you in some war-ravaged disease-ridden medieval hell hole.

How about a little gratitude for that?

What about the deity that saw fit to create someone in a time and place where that someone is experiencing hunger, madness and strife?

You know, instead of sticking that someone in some confortable, happy, rainbow-filled first world heaven?

How about a little gratitude for that?

I seriously have a hard time even grasping the concept of a deity, creating worlds and living beings just because itwants to test us, or it wants us to experience the beauty of life ? If this or these deities really created this world than they did a really slacky job, yes there is some order, but chaos reigns this place!

I don't think we were created by something, but that's just my guess.

originally posted by: ScrewGmail
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

So you are an atheist eh. ?

Well I hope you can stay moral as things get tough considering you are an atheist

This is assuming you are moral right now

Soo... You only try to be good because you are afraid of your personal god's consequences? Why can't an atheist have morals?

I think you are talking about memorized rituals that people perform calling it worship. Looking at a beautiful oak tree and appreciating its strength and design is in itself giving glory or praise to the designer. That's the healthy way. As to bending a knee. Would you bend your knee so to speak to a king, president, hero, friend? It has nothing to do with egomania, humans with egos project there egomania into God when they are trying to excuse their choice. The only person who thinks its "required" is humans and their narrow perception of what worship is.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I think anyone can have morals. But I've noticed a lot of atheists are typically nihilistic, morbid or cynical. Often people are atheists for these reasons: 1) they don't want to submit to anyone but themselves. 2) They see suffering in the world and assume God must not exist. 3) they feel guilty for what they know are sinful traits(which all people have) so they want to believe in something that doesn't make them have a guilty conscience. They are not atheists because of science, in fact the greatest minds recognize design in creation and also the fundamental fact of biogenesis and how non-living matter cannot come from non-living matter. and a reply to: Woodcarver

a reply to: NthOther

Good thing we're not one of the ones who were stuck into one of those hell holes, because there are many who were and still are being stuck into them.

I don't think that's a very fair argument because it ignores the people who are in those situations.

Even if God(s) Existed, I Wouldn't Worship Him/Them

at the sight of their beatific magnificence , you would have no choice but to worship

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Everyones a sinner according to Christians so i guess everyone deserves to die? which we will