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Well I hope you can stay moral as things get tough considering you are an atheist
This is assuming you are moral right now
I think anyone can have morals.
But I've noticed a lot of atheists...
Often people are atheists for these reasons:
1) they don't want to submit to anyone but themselves.
2) They see suffering in the world and assume God must not exist.
3) they feel guilty for what they know are sinful traits
They are not atheists because of science
in fact the greatest minds recognize design in creation
originally posted by: newWorldSamurai
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
So as an atheist, you know for certain there is no creator/designer/higher power/god (take your pick)?
originally posted by: deadeyedick
Ok so what if you were paid to believe?
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: newWorldSamurai
I'm an atheist so I'll give a response. I don't speak for WakeUpBeer.
Atheism isn't necessarily a claim of knowledge. From my experience most atheists don't much such claims. I lack belief in god(s). That's all.
Sometimes I use my spaceship analogy...
If I were to tell you there is an advanced alien race zipping around our solar system but they have technology that keeps them completely invisible. We literally don't possess the ability to see/detect them in any way. Would you believe me? Would you believe they were in fact flying around say the Moon or Mars?
Can you see how it's entirely possible to lack belief in somethings existence yet at the same time acknowledge you don't have the knowledge for certainty?
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
As many know, I am an atheist. To be clear on my position, it is this: I lack an iota of belief in any of the gods and goddesses claimed to exist, ever. In fact, I go so far as to say they are all easily proven as non existent. That said, I am open to the concept of "a god" of some "sort". For arguments sake, let me consider things if I am wrong, and gods do exist. I wouldn't bend the knee to any of them. I challenge you to name a single deity that would be worthy of enough of my praise and admiration that I should actually consider worshiping it, and why.
Marjoe was a precocious child preacher with extraordinary talents, who was immensely popular in the American South. His parents earned large sums of money off him up until the point he outgrew his novelty. Marjoe rejoined the ministry as a young adult solely as a means of earning a living, and not as a believer; he spent the next several years using his fame and status as an evangelist to earn a living from both tent revivals and televangelism.
Eventually, Gortner suffered a crisis of conscience and decided to give up the revival circuit. He offered the documentary film crew unrestricted access to him during his final revival tour, which took place in 1971. The film contains scenes from revival meetings showing Gortner preaching and praying for people in Los Angeles, Fort Worth, Detroit and Anaheim. This is interspersed with footage of Gortner admitting on camera that he was a non-believer and revealing the tactics used by him and other evangelists to manipulate people and move them during revivals. He said he studied Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones.[1]
originally posted by: deadeyedick
You would be in the same shoes as many preachers find themselves in sometimes.
They sometimes question their own beliefs yet have large monetary reasons to believe.
originally posted by: Silenthill666007
You said that you haven't completely closed the door on religion or the thought of a God.
Why don't you give it a try ? Instead of "hanging" with your online atheist friends on ATS, why don't you go outside and go to church? Meet some new people who are church people and hang with them outside. You might get into community work volunteer or help the less fortunate. You can talk to your new friends and say, " I just don't get religion" and listen what they say. And start a conversation. Say you always had doubts and hey can talk to you about it. You can try as an experiment, you might feel happier or more content just believing in a creator and an answer to life.
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
Everyones a sinner according to Christians so i guess everyone deserves to die? which we will
originally posted by: Cinrad
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
Everyones a sinner according to Christians so i guess everyone deserves to die? which we will
What sort of Christianity is that? Where is the Christ bit? You know, God becoming man, dieing on our behalf so we dont have to?
nihilistic? I think they are nihilists. I guess nihilists are atheists, but i know plenty of morbid and cynical religious folk. You probably know that too though so i don't know why you included it in your post. You could have just said you don't like atheists. You don't have to demonize us.
originally posted by: TheCretinHop
I think anyone can have morals. But I've noticed a lot of atheists are typically nihilistic, morbid or cynical.
nobody is an atheist for that reason. We just don't believe the fairy tale. It's not like we believe in god and just want to defy him. That is probably what you think though.
Often people are atheists for these reasons: 1) they don't want to submit to anyone but themselves.
. Nope again. We don't believe in gods because there is no reason to believe in them, except for old ass fairy tales that we don't believe. What we could ask is "why would you believe in a god that creates all this suffering in the world?"
2) They see suffering in the world and assume God must not exist.
3) they feel guilty for what they know are sinful traits(which all people have) so they want to believe in something that doesn't make them have a guilty conscience.
no they don't.
They are not atheists because of science, in fact the greatest minds recognize design in creation
that is hilarious. Especially coming from a person who is made from 100% non organic matter. Organic. As in non living matter that is organised into a cohesive union to form a living being. Organised matter. Non living matter, Organised into a living being. Geez. Why do i even try?
and also the fundamental fact of biogenesis and how non-living matter cannot come from non-living matter.
originally posted by: Metallicus
I don't believe in a deity that requires we worship It. I do believe we were created and are here to learn about ourselves and the world around us. I think most people here would agree we are here to become better versions of ourselves. As long as we do that it doesn't matter what you believe about God.