2 nasa employees admitting people can't go to the moon yet....

originally posted by: deadeyedick
The more time that goes by and we still have no return trip to the moon really begins to seed the thought that we never went. Name one other time Americans have done something great and not repeated it over and over. It does not add up.

Why are you restricting it to Americans? Any other nation could have gone if they wanted to pony-up ~$150 Billion.

At any rate, two nations race to the South Pole in 1911. No one else set foot there for the next 46 years.
A single manned expedition visited the deepest part of the ocean - the Marianas Trench. It was 52 years before another man went there.
It's been 43 years since Gene Cernan left his last boot-print on the Moon.

In each of these examples, the reason for the decades-long interval is the same. Going to these places is difficult, dangerous, expensive and requires special equipment. Most important of all, in each case "going there" was a matter of prestige rather than practical payoff.

Even now, the promise of He3 fusion fuel is weak inducement since there's no sign that a breakthrough in any kind of controlled nuclear fusion is imminent. If that changes, then the race will be on.

Until then, which is the only country with a serious, funded man-on-the-moon program? China.
Why? Prestige.

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: muSSang
a reply to: mazzroth

Did they lose the directions ? one Shuttle could of easily gone there compared to the 1960's tech the Apollo lander had

You don't understand, in the 60s and 70s USA was prepared to risk the lives of the Apollo astronauts, in this day and age that is unacceptable!

It's a shame we don't take the risk and chances as the hero explorers of the past.

Which is just a plain silly excuse when you think about it.

The USA doesn't mind risking the lives of their pilots in war theatres.

They don't mind risking the lives of military personnel.

Nor the lives of their Police Officers, Firefighters, Emergency people or just about anyone else who performs a dangerous activity.

But a small group of people strapped to a giant firework dying during that dangerous activity is somehow different and unacceptable?

It doesn't wash with me...the lives of astronauts riding a rocket into space are no more valuable or their deaths no more horrendous and tragic than the lives or untimely deaths of anyone else doing dangerous things are.

i see your point, but remember Challenger and the ill feeling that left the US public, war theater is different and expected.

Look at the people volunteering to die on Mars... NASA will not allow it, i say let them.....

a reply to: muSSang

Look at the people volunteering to die on Mars... NASA will not allow it, i say let them.....

What do you mean NASA will not allow it?
Under what authority can NASA do anything about it?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: muSSang

Look at the people volunteering to die on Mars... NASA will not allow it, i say let them.....

What do you mean NASA will not allow it?
Under what authority can NASA do anything about it?

I think he meant to say that NASA themselves would not launch such a mission.

a reply to: Bedlam

That took the Saturn 5, which we can't build anymore and don't have a current equivalent for

you can thank the government and Nasa for that..

the multiple contractor's that made the parts for the
Saturn 5 took the Schematics, blue prints, mold's , most
Drawings. Tool, Dies, Jigs, pressers, etc with them. and got lost , missing , destroyed
what have you from the company's themselves and Most of
those company's no longer exist and most went out of existence
after a few years of the Apollo Mission Program was Shut Down.
not sure if its because of a security breech from the cause of the
Cold War with the Soviets ...

That is the Most Reason Why..

The USA Now,
has to Back Engineer the Parts and Pieces of the Old rusting
Saturn 5 rocket ...although I heard they stopped and made
a different approach of a different rocket engine..




Some important stuff to look at


What Happened to all the Saturn V Rocket Stages?
Jan 16, 2014 04:08 PM ET // by Amy Shira Teitel
news.discovery.com...



Wonder if People are forgetting this ??

Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package
19 November 1969 - 30 September 1977
www.hq.nasa.gov...


28 years ago..
HUNT IS ON FOR SCATTERED BLUEPRINTS OF POWERFUL SATURN MOON ROCKET
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: May 26, 1987
www.nytimes.com...

ROCKET builders eager to tap the proven technology of the giant Saturn 5 moon rocket have been frustrated because long ago blueprints and other documents were scattered - a few even lost - and all the old dies, jigs and tooling were sold as scrap metal for pennies a pound. The loss of part of the great rocket's past was to be expected but resurrecting that data has proven more difficult than some rocket builders expected. Private contractors and the space agency are carefully studying everything that remains of the Saturn 5, the biggest launcher ever built, once the glory of the American space program.

Dr. Lewis, who has served on dozens of NASA advisory panels, said he suspected that NASA allowed some Saturn expertise and tooling to be lost in the 1970's because the space agency wanted no competition for the space shuttle. ''The continuing presence of the Saturn boosters would have made it silly to build the shuttle, so it was buried quickly and deeply,'' he said. Another expert, G. Harry Stine, a retired rocket scientist who writes about space-age history, said: ''It's a common practice in the aerospace industry to sell the jigs and dies. They take up factory space. You can't keep that sort of thing around.'' But he said it was uncommon to loose blueprints. ''Aerospace people don't throw away drawings,'' he said

S-IVB Lunar Impact 13 to 17
history.nasa.gov...

a reply to: Wolfenz

According to a Space.com article from March 13, 2000 the Saturn V blueprints are on microfilm at Marshall Space Center in Alabama. Link to a copy of the article. As the article makes clear, the utility of the blueprints would be limited.

The Magnum heavy-lift vehicle mentioned at the end of the article was apparently still-born.

a reply to: Saint Exupery

Indeed.

When conspiracy nuts claim that the Apollo blueprints are lost, what they mean is "I couldn't find it using google".

In your face, Neil Armstrong! Sciened the sh!t outta ya!

originally posted by: MysterX

Which is just a plain silly excuse when you think about it.

The USA doesn't mind risking the lives of their pilots in war theatres.

They don't mind risking the lives of military personnel.

Nor the lives of their Police Officers, Firefighters, Emergency people or just about anyone else who performs a dangerous activity.

But a small group of people strapped to a giant firework dying during that dangerous activity is somehow different and unacceptable?

It doesn't wash with me...the lives of astronauts riding a rocket into space are no more valuable or their deaths no more horrendous and tragic than the lives or untimely deaths of anyone else doing dangerous things are.

It's not that any one life is more important than another, but the fact that when a Space Shuttle blows up, there are a LOT of people watching. Those people are then less likely to vote for a government that's seen as willing to "waste money and human lives" (which is how it can be seen when a shuttle explodes). It's all about PR spin. Military personnel, police, fireman, etc. it's true they have very dangerous jobs, one that sadly leads to hundreds (or thousands) dying each year. However, almost none of those death are made public and even fewer are televised which has the sad effect of making them "less important" (than the four to six deaths that result from a space shuttle failure) to the regular person.

originally posted by: webstra
If this is real it would be nice :

Russian engineers, tired of debating whether the US really landed on the moon, have decided to build a satellite to receive footage from there.

Micro-satellite to inspect if Americans did land on Moon

And if it sends back pictures clearly showing the descent stage and flag, you will claim the Russians are in on it. Or will argue that they may have sent robots. Or anything to negate a triumph for humanity.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: webstra
If this is real it would be nice :

Russian engineers, tired of debating whether the US really landed on the moon, have decided to build a satellite to receive footage from there.

Micro-satellite to inspect if Americans did land on Moon

And if it sends back pictures clearly showing the descent stage and flag, you will claim the Russians are in on it. Or will argue that they may have sent robots. Or anything to negate a triumph for humanity.

Who cares what i will think. I´ll be happy when if they do it...are you happy ?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: webstra

Just like the 9/11 nonsense there is no way a conspiracy of that magnitude could be kept secret.

Strange how no one new about fatman and tall boy until they were dropped on Japan...

Less than a hundred years after we invented the airplane, we invented the A-Bomb.

So what's exactly happened in the last fifty years?

Are humans so slow as to not come up with a better transport than a big explosive tube strapped to astronauts to get to the moon?

Something's amiss.

We'd have to be new type of lame to actually believe explosive gas is the only current "known" way to space travel.
For the public, yes ... they'll buy anything you give them if you repeat it long enough, but underground and in The Black, where the real world is, much much bigger things are happening.

a reply to: pikestaff

Strange how no one new about fatman and tall boy until they were dropped on Japan...

Except for everyone at the Tennessee Valley Authority, Alamogordo, and Stalin.

originally posted by: pikestaff

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: webstra

Just like the 9/11 nonsense there is no way a conspiracy of that magnitude could be kept secret.

Strange how no one new about fatman and tall boy until they were dropped on Japan...

George Kistiakowsky knew.

originally posted by: TheInhumanCentipede
In your face, Neil Armstrong! Sciened the sh!t outta ya!

You have a lot of balls, i could never post my face here.

originally posted by: Saint Exupery

Until then, which is the only country with a serious, funded man-on-the-moon program? China.
Why? Prestige.

That could well change since the ESA-Russian plan is to colonize the Moon eventually with probes going there starting in 2020 to the Moon's south pole. The whole plan is pretty much how most of us back in the early-mid 20th century envisioned what Moon colonization would be like today.





www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Saint Exupery
a reply to: Wolfenz

According to a Space.com article from March 13, 2000 the Saturn V blueprints are on microfilm at Marshall Space Center in Alabama. Link to a copy of the article. As the article makes clear, the utility of the blueprints would be limited.

The Magnum heavy-lift vehicle mentioned at the end of the article was apparently still-born.

I bet, it just partial of the Blueprints .. the Marshall Space center has
( luckily they have the microfilm ) from what Company ? Ones that Still Exist ?



ok some Key Points in your link you posted .. Thats interesting

Saturn 5 Blueprints Safely in Storage
space.com ^ | 13 March 2000 | By Michael Paine
Posted on 1/8/2004, 5:20:33 PM by Dead Dog
www.freerepublic.com...

"There is no point in even contemplating trying to rebuild
the Saturn 5 ... The real problem is the hundreds of thousands of
parts that are simply not manufactured any more."

Shawcross cautioned that rebuilding a Saturn 5 would require
more than good blueprints.

"The problem in recreating the Saturn 5 is not finding the drawings,
it is finding vendors who can supply mid-1960's vintage hardware,"
he wrote, "and the fact that the launch pads and vehicle assembly
buildings have been converted to space shuttle use, so you have
no place to launch from.


The real problem is the hundreds of thousands of other parts,
some as apparently insignificant as a bolt or a washer, that are simply
not manufactured any more. Everything would have to be redone.
So a simple rebuild would be impossible. The only real answer
would be to start from scratch and build anew using modern parts
and processes. Yet another immense challenge!"

(WAS)
""It turns out that NASA is taking on that challenge,
but not necessarily to chase asteroids. ""

Yes indeed , ive seen videos on youtube of Scientist & Engineers
doing this well trying to anyhow ...

as i said exactly what your link has said about the Contractors
aka Vendors in your Link and about the Parts not made any more
and those parts are no longer in existence as the machine tools
or devices to recreate them were scrapped ..
you would have to find the Blue Prints & Schematics
for the the Machines that Made the Parts for the Saturn 5 Rocket.
so you are onto a END .. Again.. and that what im getting at..

They may Have the Blueprints for the Saturn 5 rocket ..
but they wouldn't have the Blueprints for the machine & Devices that
have made the parts & Pieces for the Saturn Rocket,
those Blue Prints for the Machines themselves that
the Private Contractors Would of Had them
most of those company's No longer exist..

a Needle in a Haystack .. looking for them..
from a No Longer Existing Cooperation ( Government Sub Contractor )

if you can find the list of the Contractors that were involved with
the Saturn 5 Project you can see at least 70% No longer exist !
the Main head contractors in the Saturn IV & 5 projects
although a few still exist ..

interesting..
Saturn Illustrated Chronology - Part 1 to Part 9
April 1957 through April 1968
history.nasa.gov...

but all this is under the rug as

the new plan is going to Mars


Blast Off! Nasa says agency is 'firmly committed' to building world's biggest rocket - but admits it might not make its first test flight until 2018

Rocket will be 384 feet tall and weigh 6.5 million pounds
Will have sound suppression system installed to cut noise to safe levels
First test flight scheduled for 2017 - but could slip to 2018
Concerns over Nasa's ability to fund project


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... 30.html#ixzz3oxKcV19C

originally posted by: MysterX


I mean, nothing could be simpler..launch the fuel needed for this roundabout trajectory BEFORE the mission to the the Moon or wherever, rendezvous with the fuel depot, take on required fuel and the fuel sucking trajectory is no longer a problem.

It's amazing how everything is SIMPLE according to people that DON'T have the ability to do it themselves

a reply to: Wolfenz

Ford probably doesn't have the tooling and machinery to build a 1968 Ford Mustang anymore, either -- although I bet they have the engineering drawings. However, that isn't evidence for a Mustang Conspiracy.