First Democratic Debate

originally posted by: EvilBat

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: EvilBat
a reply to: Annee


Well only one way to find out vote him in.

I'd rather have a guy who want to make it better for the rest of us in , and try to help form inside then a guy who doesn't even know what hes voting on. Or on the other side of the isle a guy who will take away healthcare yet couldn't even come up with his own plan.

Nope, don't think so. I've lived too long for games.

Need to move forward from where we're at. Not backward - not sideward.

That is all fine. I would ask who you would be following, I would check them out as well I have a year to deside on who my vote would be. All the info I get helps out.

Hmmmm - - don't know yet.

Not a Right Wing Christian.

originally posted by: EvilBat

I will answer your question
I noticed many in this thread missed what he said on HOW

Top 1% need to start paying up to the rest of the 99.
When The top 1% own all of what the 99% has and more then
they need to be paying more.

So you want the top 1% to pay the same as the whole 99% below them?

All the Republican Candidates are frightening, all the Democratic Candidates are goofballs...

I can't believe we have a full year of this nonsense before the actual election.

From what I heard it was pretty predictable. Hillary using the old my grandpa was a factory work thing (oldest politician cliche in the book and an obvious lie) then she basically said she is a female Barrack Obama. Bernie Sanders saying some relevant stuff but clearly won't be supported by the party despite him being their best candidate. Then you got the lessers who make us all wonder why these guys spend their money on something they will never win at.

Shout out to Lessig because he was crying and needs a hug.

I used to be a Democrat. Now I'm an independent. None of them got what it takes to make this place better. Hillary isn't a serious choice for president. Sometimes I feel like even she isn't sure why she's in this thing. She's just not a leader and I think she will weaken our international stature. I wouldn't take her seriously if I didn't know her and was some big shot from another country. That's the impression she gives off. Vague and no presence. Like she could disappear into thin air and no one would notice.

Maybe it's just me, but the absence of godtalk was rather refreshing.

I'm a bit overwhelmed at so much addressing of the actual issues facing our nation though.

Laughing at Bernie saying we're sick and tired of hearing about her damn emails too.

And one final observation is how CNN seemed to want to steer the debate away from climate change.

a reply to: Kali74

The debate was something I really wanted to see. Clinton and her polished lies are amusing if they were not so dangerous for the uninformed. I absolutely detest her and anything she says; even if she lucks out and quotes truth that someone else said.. Military called Marine one (the helicopter used to transport the president and first lady) broom stick one when she was onboard.. She is a vile crook and certifiable liar but if the American people vote her into office then.... there you go... they get what they deserve..

Bernie is an excellent speaker and certainly hits key points that most could agree with. Unfortunately socialism only works until other peoples money runs out.. except for the few at the top.. All those on stage should have been harping about bring back jobs to America with incentives and tax laws... Simple really; you can complain all you want but until people have jobs and can work to provide for themselves then all the other stuff is way down the list of import things that should be discussed.

The actual jobless rate in America is actually 21 to 42% according to many who know how to figure out the old way of computing the rate.. With close to 100 million unemployed out of 320 million population then the number is probably somewhere in between..

For those who missed the live debate:
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Sanders seems too old, one year younger Biden looks like 20 years younger, must be all that hair smelling of his.

The average age of US president is 55, oldest was Reagan at 69 when elected. Hillary is old too and Trump but they all appear to have more live on them than Sanders.

POTUS is a demanding position, it takes a heavy toll on all of them, they need vitality.

O'Malley final statement was the best thing of all, too bad a conciliatory stand means nothing on this age of polarization, too much reality TV and general stupidity has corrupted a big bulk of the western population, and they think this fake reality they have been bombarded is the way a leader should behave, so the O'Malley stance does not have a chance against something loud and obnoxious like Trump, and he is mistaken, people bellow 30 fell the same about immigrants and all those things the same as older people, propaganda is too strong and someone decided to feed that hate into America for decades now.

All in all, it does not matter who wins, if sander comes with a radical plan or whatever, the way America politics is done, nothing important can be made by a POTUS, the congress will hinder everything too radical, wont approve budgets, wont raise the debt ceiling on time and so on, weakening the POTUS, and America at the same time, but who really cares as long as the other party is not the savior of the nation.

I watched all of it. Strictly as a viewer I thought Chafee and Webb were awful, O'Malley articulated his points well, Clinton came off as a pandering, flip-flopper and Sanders seemed to steal the show.

On a political level I have issues with both Democrats and Republicans. I could not imagine anyone voting for Chafee. Webb, well having some interesting points is not electable. O'Malley has no chance. When asking the candidates what would make them different than the President, Clinton basically said, 'I have a vagina' so it shows she is a clown. As for Sanders, while I do not agree with many of his polices, I can see why he generates so much enthusiasm. He comes across much the same way Ron Paul did, as they guy who was saying, 'I told you so', but not in a douche-y way.

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
So how is it possible that the FB poll puts Bernie as the "winner" of the debate by 75 % and in the next segment we are being told that this debate just increased Hillary's chance of winning by 72% ??????? WTH !!!!

The spin is pretty intense.

It will be interesting to see how the next polls respond to this debate. Mainstream media gives the win to Hillary, but all social media and focus groups give the win to Sanders.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

So you want the top 1% to pay the same as the whole 99% below them?

They should be paying the same income to tax ratio as the 99% below them. Would you not agree?

originally posted by: Indigent
Sanders seems too old, one year younger Biden looks like 20 years younger, must be all that hair smelling of his.

The average age of US president is 55, oldest was Reagan at 69 when elected. Hillary is old too and Trump but they all appear to have more live on them than Sanders.

POTUS is a demanding position, it takes a heavy toll on all of them, they need vitality.

You are correct about Sanders being too old. He had a lot of "tells" about
his physical condition. He used the podium for physical support when not
gesturing. He actually cupped his ear, which can be seen in a long shot
going to commercial. He asked Cooper to repeat something , it was
obvious he could not hear or wasn't paying attention.
He fumbled something and ducked under
the podium to retrieve it.

There are three categories of old:
the young old
the old
and the old old.
Physical attributes define them each.
As well as actual age
and mental age, I'll focus on physical.

Biden is young old,
skanky old lech that he is.

Hillary is neither young old
with the bounce and outward
energy, but she is not old old.
She does have large visible bags
under the eyes. She frequently
looks exhausted (although not
in the debate)

Sanders exhibits the characteristics
of entering old old.
See my comments above.

Each category can somewhat
predict lifespan.

Sanders has the least left.
So his VP choice would be
extremely important, if
stats are correct and he is
entering old/old then he
won't make it through the
grueling stress of a Presidential
term.

(little joke here)
Maybe that's the Dem strategy
let Sanders take the win
because Hillary can't,
have her as VP, which
will be Pres. before the
first term is done if Sanders
is at the physical stage he
appears to be in.

I watched the debate from start to finish and personally thought it was great. It was such a vast relief from the Republican debates, very much focused, comments geared to current problems in what seemed like a more honest way, and any single one of them 'more Presidential' than any of the others. I think they are also more blessed with good overall personalities than the republican candidates. Simply more likeable. Always a plus.

It's interesting to note that of the two frontrunners from both parties; Hilary Clinton is easily the most qualified and experienced, while Donald Trump is the least qualified -- of the entire lot. Both Clinton and Trump are 69 years old.

I hope we haven't dropped so low in our commercialism and youth worship, that we would rule out a President based on age. Yes, Perhaps Bernie Sanders hearing is not as acute as it once was, but his brain seems to be doing a hell of a job. His thought processes, reasoning abilities, cognitive functioning are still on the money. Don't mistake hearing loss as a detriment.

I personally thought Hilary Clinton performed extremely well. She and Bernie Sanders owned this debate. I'm looking towards Chafee dropping out. He seems like a very nice gentleman, but lacks a forcefulness the job requires. He's almost too gentle. And Webb, not a lot to be impressed with. He whined constantly about not getting enough air time.

O'Malley, age 52, could be a contender.

I doubt now if Biden will take a chance. Between Hilary, Bernie and O'Malley, all the bases seem to be covered. I don't know if he can find a niche to differentiate himself from the others now.

Ah, one more comment before I have to get on the run today, but I hope for heavens sake, we don't try to elect a President based on proposed policies concerning the legalization of marijuana. What a HUGE mistake when there are so many frightening issues, urgent issues, facing the country now. That is such a miniscule part of the big picture.

I always thought the big "Ron Paul" fanatics were loving him simply for that reason, and I thought it was grossly immature and foolish.

It's going to happen eventually no matter who the President is. But Texas, you need to get Ted Cruz the hell out of Washington. Please. Do your country a favor. I'm begging you.

Prediction: Biden will choose NOT to run. (But in keeping with ATS tradition, this prediction will most likely be wrong)

a reply to: Indigent

Right, anyone who thought McCain too old should never even consider the Bern unless they are hypocrites.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting
Ah yes Bernie is not too old but McCain was.....

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Maybe it's just me, but the absence of godtalk was rather refreshing.

I only remember Clinton saying "God given rights" as a pandering tool.

originally posted by: 727Sky
Unfortunately socialism only works until other peoples money runs out..

Now that worker co-ops have been allowed in Cuba, the workers are living the high life. We in the US don't need government permission for that type of socialism. We also don't need permission to form collectives. However, we seem to prefer competition in the US. Whatever works, right?

originally posted by: Indigent
Sanders seems too old, one year younger Biden looks like 20 years younger

His fumbling with words and his stammering when confronted make me leery as well.

originally posted by: Indigent
All in all, it does not matter who wins

Agreed.