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The Greatest unanswered Question of all time, What is Truth?

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posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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Note that the information below is related to my commentary in the thread about knowledge (a familiarity with facts/truths/certainties/realities), understanding, wisdom and insight that I discussed in more detail there.
Truth: Insight, Volume 2

The Hebrew term ʼemethʹ, often rendered “truth,” may designate that which is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, true, or established as fact. (Ex 18:21; 34:6; De 13:14; 17:4; 22:20; Jos 2:12; 2Ch 18:15; 31:20; Ne 7:2; 9:33; Es 9:30; Ps 15:2; Ec 12:10; Jer 9:5) The Greek word a·leʹthei·a stands in contrast with falsehood or unrighteousness and denotes that which conforms to fact or to what is right and proper. (Mr 5:33; 12:32; Lu 4:25; Joh 3:21; Ro 2:8; 1Co 13:6; Php 1:18; 2Th 2:10, 12; 1Jo 1:6, 8; 2:4, 21) A number of other original-language expressions can, depending upon the context, also be translated “truth.”

Jehovah, the God of Truth. Jehovah is “the God of truth.” (Ps 31:5) He is faithful in all his dealings. His promises are sure, for he cannot lie. (Nu 23:19; 1Sa 15:29; Ps 89:35; Tit 1:2; Heb 6:17, 18) He judges according to truth, that is, according to the way things really are, and not on the basis of outward appearance. (Ro 2:2; compare Joh 7:24.) Everything that emanates from him is pure and without defect. His judicial decisions, law, commandments, and word are truth. (Ne 9:13; Ps 19:9; 119:142, 151, 160) They are always right and proper, and they stand in opposition to all unrighteousness and error.

Creation’s testimony. The creative works testify to the fact that God exists. But, according to Paul, even certain of those people who “knew God” suppressed this truth. Rather than serving God in harmony with the truth concerning his eternal power and Godship, they made idols and worshiped these. Not being real gods, idols are an untruth, a lie or falsehood. (Jer 10:14) Hence, these persons, though having the truth of God, exchanged it “for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created.” Their turning to the falsehood of idolatry led them into all kinds of degraded practices.—Ro 1:18-31.

In contrast to man’s sinfulness. The degraded practices of non-Jews and the disobedience of the Jews to God’s law in no way brought harm to the Creator personally. Instead, his truthfulness, holiness, and righteousness stood out in sharp contrast, and this to his glory. But the fact that man’s wrongdoing makes God’s righteousness stand out in even greater prominence provides no basis for claiming that God is unjust in executing an adverse judgment against wrongdoers. Being a creation of God, a person has no right to harm himself by sinning.

The above is the argument that Paul used in his letter to the Romans, saying: “If our unrighteousness brings God’s righteousness to the fore, what shall we say? God is not unjust when he vents his wrath, is he? (I am speaking as a man does.) Never may that happen! How, otherwise, will God judge the world? Yet if by reason of my lie [compare Ps 62:9] the truth of God has been made more prominent to his glory, why am I also yet being judged as a sinner? And why not say, just as it is falsely charged to us and just as some men state that we say: ‘Let us do the bad things that the good things may come’? The judgment against those men is in harmony with justice.” (Ro 3:5-8) God has delivered his people, not for a course of sin, but for a life of righteousness, that they may glorify Him. The apostle says later in his letter: “Neither go on presenting your members to sin as weapons of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, also your members to God as weapons of righteousness.”—Ro 6:12, 13.

What is the meaning of the statement that Jesus Christ is himself “the truth”?

Like his Father Jehovah, Jesus Christ is “full of undeserved kindness and truth.” (Joh 1:14; Eph 4:21) While on earth, he always spoke the truth as he had received it from his Father. (Joh 8:40, 45, 46) “He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.” (1Pe 2:22) Jesus represented things as they really were. Besides being ‘full of truth,’ Jesus was himself “the truth,” and truth came through him. He declared: “I am the way and the truth and the life.” (Joh 14:6) And the apostle John wrote: “The Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ.”—Joh 1:17.

John’s words do not mean that the Law given through Moses was erroneous. It, too, was truth, conforming to God’s standard of holiness, righteousness, and goodness. (Ps 119:151; Ro 7:10-12) However, the Law served as a tutor leading to Christ (Ga 3:23-25) and had a shadow, or prophetic picture, of greater realities. (Heb 8:4, 5; 10:1-5) Providing a shadow, the Law, though truthful, was not the full truth and, therefore, had to give way to the realities that it foreshadowed. This point is emphasized by the apostle Paul in his letter to the Colossians: “Let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ.” (Col 2:16, 17) Accordingly, “the truth came to be through Jesus” in the sense that he put the things foreshadowed by the Law into the realm of actual truth. As he himself was no shadow but the reality, Jesus was “the truth.” Jesus also became ‘a minister in behalf of God’s truthfulness’ in that he fulfilled God’s promises made to the forefathers of the Jews by ministering to the circumcised Jews and proselytes.—Ro 15:8; see JESUS CHRIST (‘Bearing Witness to the Truth’).

Similarly, the apostle Paul’s reference to “the truth in the Law” does not imply that there was any falsehood in it (Ro 2:20) but shows that the Law was not the full truth.




posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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“The Spirit of the Truth.” The spirit that proceeds from Jehovah God is pure and holy. It is “the spirit of the truth.” (Joh 14:17; 15:26) Jesus Christ told his disciples: “I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming.”—Joh 16:12, 13.

God’s spirit would teach them everything they needed to know to carry out their work, recalling and opening up to their understanding things they had previously heard from Jesus but had not understood. (Joh 14:26) God’s spirit would also declare to them “the things coming.” This could include bringing to light the significance of Jesus’ death and resurrection, as these events were then yet future and were among the things that his disciples did not understand. (Mt 16:21-23; Lu 24:6-8, 19-27; Joh 2:19-22; 12:14-16; 20:9) Of course, God’s spirit later also enabled Christ’s followers to foretell future happenings. (Ac 11:28; 20:29, 30; 21:11; 1Ti 4:1-3) Being “the spirit of the truth,” God’s holy spirit could never be the source of error but would protect Christ’s followers from doctrinal falsehoods. (Compare 1Jo 2:27; 4:1-6.) It would bear witness to the truth regarding Jesus Christ. From Pentecost 33 C.E. onward, God’s spirit bore witness by helping Jesus’ disciples to understand the prophecies that clearly proved that Jesus was the Son of God. On the basis of these prophecies, they bore witness to others. (Joh 15:26, 27; compare Ac 2:14-36; Ro 1:1-4.) Even before Pentecost, though, “the spirit of the truth” had been bearing witness to the fact that Jesus is the Son of God (1Jo 5:5-8), for it was by this spirit that Jesus was anointed and enabled to perform powerful works.—Joh 1:32-34; 10:37, 38; Ac 10:38; see SPIRIT.

God’s Word Is Truth. God’s Word presents things as they really are, revealing Jehovah’s attributes, purposes, and commands, as well as the true state of affairs among mankind. God’s Word of truth shows what is required for one to be sanctified or made holy, set apart for use by Jehovah in his service, and then to remain in a sanctified state. Hence, Jesus could pray respecting his followers: “Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.” (Joh 17:17; compare Jas 1:18.) Their obedience to the revealed truth of God’s Word led them into sanctification, the truth being the means by which they purified their souls. (1Pe 1:22) Thus they stood out as “no part of the world” that did not adhere to God’s truth.—Joh 17:16.

‘Walking in the Truth.’ Those who desire to gain God’s approval should walk in his truth and serve him in truth. (Jos 24:14; 1Sa 12:24; Ps 25:4, 5; 26:3-6; 43:3; 86:11; Isa 38:3) This would include abiding by God’s requirements and serving him in faithfulness and sincerity. To a Samaritan woman Jesus Christ said: “The hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (Joh 4:23, 24) Such worship could not be based on imagination but would have to conform to what is in harmony with the actual state of things, consistent with what God has revealed in his Word about himself and his purposes.

Christianity is “the way of the truth” (2Pe 2:2), and those who assist others in furthering the interests of Christianity become “fellow workers in the truth.” (3Jo 8) The entire body of Christian teachings, which later became part of the written Word of God, is “the truth” or “the truth of the good news.” Adherence to this truth, ‘walking’ in it, is essential if an individual is to gain salvation. (Ro 2:8; 2Co 4:2; Eph 1:13; 1Ti 2:4; 2Ti 4:4; Tit 1:1, 14; Heb 10:26; 2Jo 1-4; 3Jo 3, 4) In the case of those who conduct themselves aright, the truth—the conformity of their ways to God’s Word and the actual results of their course—testifies to the fact that they are examples worthy of imitation. (3Jo 11, 12) On the other hand, a person who departs from the basic teachings of Christianity, either by conducting himself improperly or by advocating false doctrine, is no longer “walking” in the truth. This was the situation of those who insisted that circumcision was necessary in order for one to gain salvation. Their teaching was contrary to Christian truth, and those who accepted it ceased to obey the truth or walk in it. (Ga 2:3-5; 5:2-7) Similarly, when the apostle Peter, by his actions, made an improper distinction between Jews and non-Jews, the apostle Paul corrected him for not “walking” in harmony with “the truth of the good news.”—Ga 2:14.

“A Pillar and Support of the Truth.” The Christian congregation serves as “a pillar and support of the truth,” preserving the purity of the truth and defending and upholding it. (1Ti 3:15) For this reason it is especially important that those entrusted with oversight in the congregation be able to handle “the word of the truth” aright. Proper use of God’s Word enables them to combat false teaching in the congregation, instructing “those not favorably disposed; as perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (2Ti 2:15-18, 25; compare 2Ti 3:6-8; Jas 5:13-20.) Not all qualify to do this kind of instructing, or teaching, in the congregation. Men who have bitter jealousies and are contentious have no basis for bragging about their being qualified to teach. Their claim would be false. As the disciple James wrote: “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show out of his fine conduct his works with a mildness that belongs to wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth.”—Jas 3:13, 14.

For the Christian congregation to be “a pillar and support of the truth,” the members thereof must, through fine conduct, manifest the truth in their lives. (Eph 5:9) They have to be consistent and undeviating in right conduct, as if “girded about with truth.” (Eph 6:14) Besides maintaining personal purity, Christians must be concerned about congregational purity. When emphasizing the need to keep the Christian congregation clean from the defilement of lawless persons, the apostle Paul wrote: “Clear away the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, according as you are free from ferment. For, indeed, Christ our passover has been sacrificed. Consequently let us keep the festival, not with old leaven, neither with leaven of badness and wickedness, but with unfermented cakes of sincerity and truth.” (1Co 5:7, 8) Since Jesus Christ was sacrificed only once (compare Heb 9:25-28) as the reality of the Passover lamb, the entire life course of the Christian, comparable to the Festival of Unfermented Cakes, should be free from injuriousness and wickedness. There must be a willingness to remove what is sinful to maintain personal and congregational purity and thus to ‘keep the festival with unfermented cakes of sincerity and truth.’

Now the song below may make more sense to some:



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
A world leader once asked this very question of one of the simplest men that every lived all because that man said, "To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

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What is Truth?


Jesus's truth was that HE showed what the real God was like. His Father is way above, different, and more wonderful than the god of the Jews.
Whenever words came out of Jesus' mouth, they were His Father's. WheneverJesus performed a miracle, the power came from His Father.
Jesus wasn't "God"...He was a conduit for the true Most High.
That's why Jesus shocked the heck out of the Jewish people, the religious rulers, and basically anyone who heard or encountered Him.
The TRUE God had NEVER been known, till Jesus.
THAT is what is the "truth".
(Oh, and Jesus didn't condone animals being sacrificed).



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 06:40 AM
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How Precious Is the Truth to You?

“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”—JOHN 8:32.

1. How did Pilate’s use of the word “truth” apparently differ from Jesus’ use of it?

“WHAT is truth?” When Pilate asked this question, his interest, such as it was, appeared to refer to truth in general. Jesus, on the other hand, had just said: “For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” (John 18:37, 38) Unlike Pilate, Jesus used the definite article and said “the truth.” He was referring to divine truth.

The World’s Attitude to the Truth

2. What statement of Jesus shows the value of truth?

2 Paul said: “Faith is not a possession of all people.” (2 Thessalonians 3:2) The same can be said of the truth. Even when confronted with truth based on the Bible, many people deliberately ignore it. Yet, how precious it is! Jesus said: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”—John 8:32.

3. What warning regarding deceptive teachings should we heed?

3 The apostle Paul said that the truth was not to be found in human philosophies and traditions. (Colossians 2:8) Indeed, such teachings are deceptive. Paul warned Ephesian Christians that if they put faith in them, they would be like spiritual babes “tossed about as by waves . . . by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.” (Ephesians 4:14) Today, “trickery of men” is promoted by the propaganda of those who oppose divine truth. “Propaganda” is defined by The New Encyclopædia Britannica as “the systematic effort to manipulate other people’s beliefs, attitudes, or actions.” Such propaganda cunningly twists truth into falsehood and promotes lies as truth. To find the truth in the face of such insidious pressures, we must diligently consult the Scriptures.

Christians and the World

4. To whom is the truth made available, and what is the obligation of those who receive it?

4 Referring to those who had become his disciples, Jesus Christ prayed to Jehovah: “Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.” (John 17:17) Such ones would be sanctified, or set apart, for the purpose of serving Jehovah and making known his name and Kingdom. (Matthew 6:9, 10; 24:14) Although not the possession of all people, Jehovah’s truth is available as a free gift to all who seek it, whatever their nationality, race, or cultural background. The apostle Peter said: “I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.”—Acts 10:34, 35.

5. Why are Christians often persecuted?

5 Christians share Bible truth with others but are not welcomed everywhere. Jesus warned: “People will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.” (Matthew 24:9) Commenting on this verse, Irish cleric John R. Cotter wrote in 1817: “Their [Christians’] endeavours to reform the lives of mankind by their preaching, so far from making the people feel grateful, would, in reality, cause them to hate and persecute the disciples for exposing their vices.” Such persecutors do not “accept the love of the truth that they might be saved.” For this reason, “God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.”—2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

6. What desires should a Christian not cultivate?

6 The apostle John admonishes Christians living in this hostile world: “Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. . . . Everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world.” (1 John 2:15, 16) In saying “everything,” John excludes nothing. For this reason we dare not cultivate a desire for anything this world has to offer that could divert us from the truth. Heeding John’s counsel will exert a powerful influence on our lives. How?

7. How does a knowledge of the truth motivate righthearted ones?
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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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The Hebrew term ʼemethʹ, often rendered “truth,” may designate that which is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, true, or established as fact. (Ex 18:21; 34:6; De 13:14; 17:4; 22:20; Jos 2:12; 2Ch 18:15; 31:20; Ne 7:2; 9:33; Es 9:30; Ps 15:2; Ec 12:10; Jer 9:5) The Greek word a·leʹthei·a stands in contrast with falsehood or unrighteousness and denotes that which conforms to fact or to what is right and proper. (Mr 5:33; 12:32; Lu 4:25; Joh 3:21; Ro 2:8; 1Co 13:6; Php 1:18; 2Th 2:10, 12; 1Jo 1:6, 8; 2:4, 21) A number of other original-language expressions can, depending upon the context, also be translated “truth.”

Still no change...
Knowledge: Insight, Volume 2

Essentially, knowledge means familiarity with facts acquired by personal experience, observation, or study.

Still no change there either. And the word "facts" is also still a synonym for "truths/certainties/realities", i.e. speaking about that which is true/factual/certain/absolute/correct, without error/conclusive/unambiguous/definitive. Synonyms are taken from thesaurus.com. A synonym for "knowledge" is "science" (Latin: scientia). For training one's ability to distinguish both right and wrong, true and false, correct and incorrect (Heb.5:14), one can use this playlist and its description:

Real science, knowledge of realities compared to philosophies and stories
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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn

What is Truth?


Who cares?

Defining the ultimate "truth" is like an exercise of intense subjectivity. And even if an objective truth did exist... What are you going to do with truth once you get it?

How does holding "truth" solve poverty, or abuse?
Once you break the ultimate mystery, at what will you marvel and wonder?
Once you are on the top, where can you move except back down?



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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Here is one benefit knowing the truth about particular subjects can do for you:

'The truth will set you free!'

Ever heard of that phrase?

“The Truth Will Set You Free”—How? Awake!—2012
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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 11:42 PM
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The Most HIGH became a human to solve the issue between humans and the Most HIGH!

This is why JESUS stated I am the way "the truth" and the life.

Yes by definition Christianity is a religion but Christians don't really call it that. It is a relationship with the LORD.

Old fashion religiosity is about what did you do for GOD. What rules did you follow. While our faith is the opposite, it is about what the LORD did for us in dying as a sacrifice and resurrection. Without that there is no Christian faith...period.

You can still do charity and kindness but without the sacrifice and resurrection it is moot. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were justified because they believed in that new promise to come. They looked to the future promise of it, while we look back to the promise of it.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 05:03 AM
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originally posted by: whereislogic

The statement that prompted Pilate’s question is worth noting. Jesus had said: “For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” (John 18:37) Truth to Jesus was no vague, incomprehensible concept. He promised his disciples: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”—John 8:32.

Where can such truth be found? On one occasion, Jesus said in prayer to God: “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17) The Bible, written under divine inspiration, reveals truth that provides both reliable guidance and a sure hope for the future—everlasting life.—2 Timothy 3:15-17.
‘I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life’ (John 14) | Life of Jesus:
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Jesus—The Way, the Truth, the Life

JOHN 14:1-31

JESUS IS GOING AWAY TO PREPARE A PLACE

HE PROMISES HIS FOLLOWERS A HELPER

THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS

Still in the upper room with the apostles after the memorial meal, Jesus encourages them: “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me.”—John 13:36; 14:1.

Jesus gives the faithful apostles reason not to be troubled over his departure: “In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. . . . If I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be.” The apostles, however, do not grasp that he is speaking about going to heaven. Thomas asks: “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?”—John 14:2-5.

“I am the way and the truth and the life,” Jesus answers. Only by accepting him and his teachings and imitating his life course can one enter the heavenly house of his Father. Jesus says: “No one comes to the Father except through me.”—John 14:6.

Philip, listening intently, requests: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Philip seems to want some manifestation of God, like the visions that Moses, Elijah, and Isaiah received. However, the apostles have something better than such visions. Jesus highlights that, replying: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also.” Jesus perfectly reflects the Father’s personality; hence, living with and observing Jesus is like seeing the Father. Of course, the Father is superior to the Son, for Jesus points out: “The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality.” (John 14:8-10) The apostles can see that Jesus is giving all credit for his teachings to his Father.

Jesus’ apostles have seen him do wonderful works and have heard him proclaim the good news about the Kingdom of God. Now he tells them: “Whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these.” (John 14:12) Jesus is not saying that they will perform greater miracles than he did. They will, though, carry out their ministry for a much longer time, over a much greater area, and to far more people.

Jesus’ departure will not leave them abandoned, for he promises: “If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.” Moreover, he says: “I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, the spirit of the truth.” (John 14:14, 16, 17) He guarantees them that they will receive the holy spirit, this other helper. That happens on the day of Pentecost.

“In a little while,” Jesus says, “the world will see me no more, but you will see me, because I live and you will live.” (John 14:19) Not only will Jesus appear to them in bodily form after his resurrection but he will, in time, resurrect them to be with him in heaven as spirit creatures.

Now Jesus states a simple truth: “Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” At this the apostle Judas, who is also called Thaddaeus, asks: “Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself clearly to us and not to the world?” Jesus replies: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him . . . Whoever does not love me does not observe my words.” (John 14:21-24) Unlike his followers, the world does not recognize Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life.

Jesus is going away, so how will his disciples be able to recall all that he taught them? Jesus explains: “The helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.” The apostles have seen how powerfully the holy spirit can work, so this assurance is comforting. Jesus adds: “I leave you peace; I give you my peace. . . . Do not let your hearts be troubled nor let them shrink out of fear.” (John 14:26, 27) The disciples have reason, then, not to be troubled—they will have direction and protection from Jesus’ Father.

Evidence of God’s protection will soon be seen. Jesus says: “The ruler of the world is coming, and he has no hold on me.” (John 14:30) The Devil was able to enter into Judas and get a hold on him. But there is no sinful weakness in Jesus that Satan can play on to turn him against God. Nor will the Devil be able to restrain Jesus in death. Why not? Jesus states: “I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do.” He is certain that his Father will resurrect him.—John 14:31.

Where is Jesus going, and what assurance does Thomas receive regarding the way there?

What does Philip apparently want Jesus to provide?

How will Jesus’ followers do greater works than he is doing?

Why is it reassuring that the Father is greater than Jesus?

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Note how the bolded parts nicely match up with Matthew 7:21 (the same chapter I often refer to verses 13 and 14 that also relate to the bolded part below, but the whole chapter is interesting):

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is*** in the heavens will.

***: "is" in the heavens, the God of Jesus whose name alone is Jehovah, "is in the heavens" at the time Jesus is saying that ON EARTH. The mental switch from Trinitarianism to 'Modalism in the closet' posing as Trinitarianism be gone!
My wishful thinking.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 05:28 AM
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1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Galatians 3:20 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

20 Now a go-between (intermediary) has to do with and implies more than one party [there can be no mediator with just one person]. Yet God is [only] one Person...

Psalms 83:18 (KJV)

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
ASV
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.
Young's Literal Translation
And they know that Thou -- (Thy name is Jehovah -- by Thyself,) Art the Most High over all the earth!
NW
May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Deuteronomy 6:4 (NW)
4 “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
American Standard Version
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:
Darby Bible Translation
Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;
Young's Literal Translation
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

The name Jehovah and its theophoric names.

An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture - Wikipedia

An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture is a dissertation by the English mathematician and scholar Sir Isaac Newton. ... The shorter portion of Newton's dissertation was concerned with 1 Timothy 3:16, which reads (in the King James Version):

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Newton argued that, by a small alteration in the Greek text, the word "God" was substituted to make the phrase read "God was manifest in the flesh." instead of "which was manifested in the flesh.".[n 1] He attempted to demonstrate that early Church writers in referring to the verse knew nothing of such an alteration.
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He adds that "the more learned and quick-sighted men, as Luther, Erasmus, Bullinger, Grotius, and some others, would not dissemble their knowledge".

Some Trinitarian scholars (protestants included) are deliberately keeping people in the dark, they will "not dissemble their knowledge". Another honest accurate rendering is "he was manifested in the flesh". Jehovah, "the Most High over all the earth", never became a human. Jesus, "the firstborn of all creation" (Col.1:15), "the beginning of the creation by God" (Rev.3:14), "the Faithful Witness" of his God Jehovah (Rev. 1:5; 3:14), "the Son of God", was the one that became human.
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posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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Matthews 5:3.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 08:43 AM
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The truth is that there is no truth.

That is why it'll set you free.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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I hope you realize that that's akin to arguing that there is no reality (or there are no realities; not to mention that you make a claim about a supposed truth that supposedly there is no truth, then that statement can't be true either, making it a self-contradictory statement). Another way to phrase that behaviour is denying reality or realities (usually because it's inconvenient). It maybe funny in some situations, but not very reasonable or realistic:

Common Sense—Why So Uncommon?
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posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the Word was God
the Word was made flesh
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus(the SON) is God Jesus(the SON) was made flesh...God became a human


1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The LORD from HEAVEN.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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Consider how praying in Jesus’ name honors God, and how it shows respect for Jesus.

It also worships GOD by praying in JESUS NAME.

The MOST HIGH GOD with the MOST HIGH NAME.
Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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Can you repeat Psalms 83:18 in the KJV for me? Or for Jehovah? How about Ephesians 1:3?

Trinity Doctrine, A False Teaching Of Man, Council of Nicaea (video playlist, quotations are from the KJV)

Who exalted Jesus again?

Note that the word for "lord" does not appear in any of the ancient Greek manuscripts in 1 Corinthians 15:47. It should not be in that verse, that would be a falsehood (and dishonest when the translators are aware of this fact/certainty/truth/reality).

1 Corinthians 15:47 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com)


Oh btw...
Red herring - Wikipedia

A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion.

None of what you brought up negates the quotations and teachings that I quoted from the bible. It nicely distracts away from it though. The way evolutionists will switch to their next card in the house of cards that they like to call a mountain of evidence, especially when you get into the details or facts that show the flaws in the card they just used. Just deny or ignore those facts and move on to the next card. Then replay the same card later again as if nothing happened and as if one is totally unaware of the flaws in it, not mentioning them, i.e. presenting half-truths or twisted facts, not telling the whole story and feigning ignorance or appealing to agnosticism and the philosophy and ideology of vagueness: that one can't be certain/sure about what's really true/factual about a particular inconvenient and conflicting fact/certainty anyway, because it's supposedly a "dead language" for example, or 'we don't have the original writings or Scriptures' (all attempts to keep people in the dark and present facts related to bible translation as supposedly being ambiguous, or favor the falsehoods in translation). See all my commentary in this thread related to Pontius Pilate's cynical question for further information about what I call "the philosophy and ideology of vagueness". It's very popular when convenient, for convenient denial of the facts, such as what John 1:1 really says and plainly/clearly/unambiguously teaches; or what's in the earlier video links...just ignore, deny or otherwise avoid acknowledging it. The facts won't go away when someone sticks their head in the sand, neither will the acknowledgements regarding the facts that are occasionaly made by Trinitarian scholars and evolutionists or philosophical naturalists just before they start twisting the facts to their liking, according to their agenda; first they'll admit something, then they pretend it doesn't matter for their argument or teachings, 'nothing to see here'. Here' are 2 examples of the last behaviour I described; first acknowledgement, then distraction from the point and logical implications of the fact being discussed in relation to the teachings/doctrines, philosophies and theosophies of men; as well as the more important issue of honesty and the historical use of propaganda and marketing techniques by those promoting those teachings or arguing in favor of it historically, so the dishonesty can continue and people will continue to look towards the wrong people for answers and their information as described in 2 Timothy 4:3,4.


Compare Eugenie C. Scott's way of arguing with that of the Trinitarians in the earlier video. Eugenie C Scott is way less sophisticated and cunning/crafty about it. Leave it to Trinitarian scholars to perfect the art of propaganda, twisting and warping facts, language and logic. They've been at it for much longer than the evolutionists and philosophical naturalists, amateurs in (self-)deception in comparison.
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posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 04:37 AM
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All these words and nothing said.. The words of men, one mans as useless to the deff as the next. .

The word of men is written in books. The Word of God: everywhere.



Just listen to your instinct and ignore the 2nd opinion.. Unless your Satans child. Then do the opposite. Are you Satans child?

Jeh: god
Hova: destruction



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 10:52 AM
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Matthew 4:15
The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a SAVIOUR, which is CHRST the LORD.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: ChesterJohnThe Greatest unanswered Question of all time, What is Truth?

It has been answered a multitude of times, actually.

Everything exists!
Existence is ALL inclusive!
Thus everything is Real!
Reality is ALL inclusive!
Thus everything/all Reality, is Truth!
Truth is ALL inclusive!

"Every kind of partial and transitory disequilibrium must perforce contribute towards the great equilibrium of the whole.." - Rene' Guenon

Very simple!
The only 'argument' exists as 'appearances' in the (vain, judgmental) dualistic limitations and schizophrenia of 'thoughts/imagination/ego'!

Existence = the complete Universe = Nature = Reality = Consciousness = Truth = Love = 'Self!' = God = Brahman = Tao = ... etc....
ALL INCLUSIVE!!
One!
'One Omni- Self!'!'


As it is Written,
People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy.

They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.

You alone are the LORD. You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them. You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 07:18 AM
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I think truth seeds itself in an obvious reality that continually escapes you.



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