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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Christians don't confuse John the Baptist with any of the others.
John the Evangelist (born 1st century), presumed author of the Fourth Gospel, traditionally identified with John the Apostle
John of Patmos, author of the Book of Revelation, traditionally identified with John the Apostle and Evangelist
John the Baptist, preacher, ascetic (c. 5 BC – c. 30 AD), and reported baptizer of Jesus Christ
John the Wonderworking Unmercenary (d. c. 304), Egyptian or Mesopotamian healer
John Chrysostom (c. 340 – 407), Antiochene Archbishop of Constantinople
John Cassian (360 – 435), probably Scythia-Minor priest and abbot
John and Paul (d. 362), Roman martyrs
John of Egypt (d. 394), Egyptian hermit
John the Silent (452-558), Bishop of Taxara
Pope John I (died 526), Italian pope
John of Ephesus (507-586), Syrian ecclesiastical historian
John Climacus (525–606), Syrian or Byzantine monk and abbot
John Scholasticus (died 577), 32nd Patriarch of Constantinople
Patriarch John IV of Constantinople (d. 595), also known as John the Faster, first Ecumenical Patriarch
John the Merciful (died c. 610), Cyprian Patriarch of Alexandria
John of Damascus (676–749), Syrian monk and priest, also known as John Damascene
John of Beverley (died 721), Angle bishop
John of Pavia (died 813), Bishop of Pavia
John of Rila (876–946), Bulgarian priest and hermit
John Gualbert (985-1073), Founder of the Vallumbrosan Order
John Theristus (1049-1129), Italian benedictine monk
John of Pulsano (1070-1139), or Giovanni di Matera, Italian abbot
John of the Grating (1098-1168), Bishop of Aleth
John of Matha (1160–1213), French priest; founder of the Trinitarian Order
John of Meda (died 1159), Italian priest
John Kukuzelis (1280-1360), Bulgarian composer, singer and reformer
John of Nepomuk (1340–1393), Bohemian vicar general of Jan of Jenštejn
Giovanni da Capistrano (1386–1456), Italian friar; summoner of European troops for the 1456 siege of Belgrade
John Cantius (1390-1473), Polish priest and theologian
John of Sahagún (1419-1479) Spanish priest
John Fisher (c. 1460 – 1535), English cardinal and martyr
Juan Diego (1474-1548), first Native-American saint
John Houghton (martyr) (c. 1480 – 1535), English abbot and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John de Ribera (1532-1611), or Juan de Ribera, Bishop of Valencia
John Stone (martyr) (died 1539 / died 1539), English friar and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John of God (1495–1550), Portuguese friar; founder of the Brothers Hospitallers of St. John of God
John of Avila (1500–1569), Spanish Jewish converso priest, missionary and mystic
John Payne (martyr) (1532–1582), English priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Leonardi (1541–1609), Italian priest; founder of the Clerks Regular of the Mother of God of Lucca
John of the Cross (1542–1591), Spanish Jewish converso friar, priest and mystic; joint founder of the Discalced Carmelites
John Boste (c. 1540 – 1594), English priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Rigby (martyr) (c. 1570 – 1600), English martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Roberts (martyr) (c. 1570 – 1610 / c. 1570 – 1610), Welsh priest, Prior of Saint Gregory's (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Sarkander (1576–1620), Polish priest and martyr
John Ogilvie (saint) (1579–1615), Scottish priest and martyr
John Jones (martyr) (16th century – 1598), Welsh priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Macias (1585-1645), Spanish missionary
John Southworth (martyr) (1592–1654), English priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
Jean de Brébeuf (1593–1649), French missionary and martyr (one of the North American Martyrs)
John Francis Regis (1597-1640), French priest
John Kemble (martyr) (1599–1679), English priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Berchmans (1599-1621) Flemish seminarian
John Eudes (1601-1680), or Jean Eudes, French priest and founder of the Congregation of Jesus and Mary
Jean de Lalande (1615-1646), French missionary and martyr (one of the North American Martyrs)
John Wall (priest) (1620–1679), English priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Plessington (c. 1630 – 1679), English priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John de Brito (1647-1693), Portuguese missionary and martyr
John of Tobolsk (1651-1715), Metropolitan of Tobolsk
Jean-Baptiste de La Salle (1651–1719), French priest; founder of the Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools
John Joseph of the Cross (1654–1739), Ischian friar, priest and Vicar Provincial of the Alcantarine Reform in Italy
Saint John Lloyd (died 1679), Welsh priest and martyr (one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales)
John Dat (c. 1765 – 1798), Vietnamese priest and martyr
Jean Vianney (1786–1859), French priest
John Hoan Trinh Doan (c. 1789 / 1798 – 1861), Vietnamese priest and martyr
John Thanh Van Dinh (1796–1840), Vietnamese martyr
John Gabriel Perboyre (1802-1840), or Jean-Gabriel Perboyre, French missionary and martyr
John Baptist Con (1805–1840), Vietnamese martyr
John Charles Cornay (1809-1837), or Jean-Charles Cornay, French missionary and martyr
John Neumann (1811–1860), Bohemian missionary, Bishop of Philadelphia, founder of the first American Catholic diocesan school system
John Baptist Y (1800–1839), one of the Korean Martyrs
John Bosco (1815–1888), Italian priest and educator; founder of the Salesians of Don Bosco and the Salesian Cooperators
John of Kronstadt (1829–1908), Russian archpriest and synod member
John of Shanghai and San Francisco (1898-1966), also known as John the Wonderworker, Archbishop of Shanghai and San Francisco
Pope John XXIII (1881-1963), Italian pope from 1958 to 1963
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
There are quite a few Mary's in the NT as well. I find it highly suspect that three Mary's would be standing beside one another at the crucifixion. It has to be symbolic instead of literal IMO. Same goes for the John's, they're all connected symbolically in one way or another instead of being literal people.
The bible shouldn't be read as literal history, it should be read as esoteric symbolism, a higher truth being conveyed through characters and settings. The bible is like one big parable, explaining life and its mysteries in the form of stories loosely based in history.
The Lady’s tree of fire appears in another story, where her demise is the preface to the story of Moses and the Exodus. The burning bush was her tree of fire. The story of Moses learning the new name for God at the burning bush is recognised by scholars as the point at which the compilers of the Pentateuch joined together the two traditions. Abraham, Melchizedek and the patriarchs were joined to Moses and the Exodus, and the God of the Patriarchs was renamed. At the burning bush a voice said that the name to be used in future was yhwh (Exod.3.15). Later, we read: ‘God said to Moses: I am the LORD. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as El Shaddai, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them (Exod.6.3). Ezekiel had described the voice of the Living One as the voice of Shaddai. Now Shaddai has been translated in various ways, most often by Almighty, but the usual meaning of this Hebrew word is breasts, suggesting that El Shaddai had a female aspect. In the stories of the patriarchs, El Shaddai was associated with the gift of fertility: ‘May El Shaddai bless you and make you fruitful and multiply you (Gen.28.3); ‘I am El Shaddai; be fruitful and multiply... kings shall spring from you (Gen. 35.11); ‘El Shaddai... who will bless you with the blessings of the breast and of the womb... (Gen.49.25). If the story of the burning bush does represent the transition from the older religion to that of the Deuteronomists, then we should have an explanation for the later Christian custom of representing Mary by the burning bush. This fiery tree had been the ancient symbol of the Mother of the LORD; sometimes Mary is depicted literally within the burning bush, sometimes there is simply a fiery tree named ‘the Mother of God’, and sometimes the burning bush ikon depicts Mother and Son surrounded by the angels of the weathers, that is, the angels of Day One in the Holy of Holies.
Oannes (Ὡάννης) was the name given by the Babylonian writer Berossus in the 3rd century BC to a mythical being who taught mankind wisdom. Berossus describes Oannes as having the body of a fish but underneath the figure of a man. He is described as dwelling in the Persian Gulf, and rising out of the waters in the daytime and furnishing mankind instruction in writing, the arts and the various sciences. Oannes and the Semitic god Dagon were considered identical
Dagon (Hebrew: דגון', Tib. Dāḡôn) or Dagan (Ugaritic: Dgn, Dagnu, or Daganu; Akkadian: Dagana) was originally an East Semitic Mesopotamian (Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian) fertility god who evolved into a major Northwest Semitic god, reportedly of grain (as symbol of fertility) and fish and/or fishing (as symbol of multiplying). He was worshipped by the early Amorites and by the inhabitants of the cities of Ebla (modern Tell Mardikh, Syria) and Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria).
The god Dagon first appears in extant records about 2500 BC in the Mari texts and in personal Amorite names in which the Mesopotamian gods Ilu (Ēl), Dagan, and Adad are especially common.
At Ebla (Tell Mardikh), from at least 2300 BC, Dagan was the head of the city pantheon comprising some 200 deities and bore the titles BE-DINGIR-DINGIR, "Lord of the gods" and Bekalam, "Lord of the land". His consort was known only as Belatu, "Lady". Both were worshipped in a large temple complex called E-Mul, "House of the Star". One entire quarter of Ebla and one of its gates were named after Dagan. Dagan is called ti-lu ma-tim, "dew of the land" and Be-ka-na-na, possibly "Lord of Canaan". He was called lord of many cities: of Tuttul, Irim, Ma-Ne, Zarad, Uguash, Siwad, and Sipishu.
originally posted by: cooperton
Mary Magdalene may have written the gospel of John and is referred to as the "beloved disciple". Misogynist church leadership obviously did not like this.