I can't stand these WIC losers

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Your taxes go to our military as well, bet you don't complain about how bloated that budget us huh? Or complaint about the corporate welfare and how much your taxes go to that?

Nope it is all the poor fault.

And get over your self, you are not paying for the 85 by your self, other people pay taxes as well.

originally posted by: harvestdog
a reply to: Boadicea

Well maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill then. Most of the people in my town using WIC get on my nerves because they have fresh 1-2 years old babies or younger. Maybe if the kid was older I may entertain the thought that something happened in their life and they are down and out. But alas, most of the women I see use them have multiple babies/ toddlers. No joke, even my wife gripes on it. Why the hell should we act responsibly but other losers don't?

Maybe the reason they are on WIC is because they ARE babies? As a new mom, you need to stay at home and take care of them. I had two boys and I am not ashamed to say that got WIC for the first year or so. I got my a$$ to work as soon as I recovered from both surgeries. I couldn't afford to miss work at that time. The bills kept coming and I needed to provide a roof over their heads.

I would have a different perspective if their kids were older and they were still receiving help. There is no reason to sit at home and collect welfare IF your kids are already school age.

a reply to: Sremmos80

No, I've long said that we should claim spoils to pay for the military and I certainly wasn't in favor of the corporate bailouts, TARP, etc.

As far as "other people pay taxes as well" goes, uh, yay? boo? meh? Not sure why you posted the obvious, but OK. Other people take responsibility for themselves, too! You know, work to pay their own bills, feed themselves, clothe themselves, house themselves, etc?

Out of all the things Americans' tax money goes to, only one group is so out of touch and so offensive as to carry the open attitude of *whiney Horshack voice* "I exist so give me your money you worked for." Only a goddamned fool throws good money into a toilet and then cheers as it circles the bowl and disappears from view. So tell me this, can you name any benefits we who are subsidizing receive from this process? What is the return on our investment here? How has forcing America's middle class into belt tightening in the name of subsidizing others so they have to tighten their belts less helped tax payers in any tangible way whatsoever?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

"I exist so give me your money you worked for.

They have worked for it too.

Not every person on assistance is a person that never had a job, or doesn't have one currently!

That was my point about bringing up other people pay taxes as well.

You alone are not carrying the burden that is welfare, so you don't get to say that you work so 85 mil can survive.
That is just not true, you are but a drop in the bucket in that equation.

If your goal is to get your taxes down you are looking at the wrong people, the ones getting 300 a month for food is nothing to the ones getting billions subsidized.
They have a pretty strong I exist so give me money complex as well, same with the military. We see some general all the time talking about how you can't cut their money no matter how bad things are else where.

It helps the tax payers because those people would be turning to crime to get their food, or just dying off in the streets.
It helps so you don't have the homeless everywhere you look.
It helps so that children, our future, have a means of making it to adulthood.
All which you would also pay for.

For what it is worth, I would love for you to qualify for some help too.
But then again, we can't say that with out being called dirty commie socialist marxist stalin and hitler loving dogs.

Why not take aim at the most vulnerable among us? Low hanging fruit I guess.

I don't get govt assistance though I probably could.

People like to go on about personal responsibility when those who make the rules and set the playing field sure as hell don't exercise it.

My opinion is it boils down to feeling superior. From top to middle people like to know they're doing better than someone else. Why do you think so many people like to own dogs? Actually bad analogy, most people actually feel a need to help a dog and don't think the dog should be taking responsibility for it's own life.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
It helps the tax payers because those people would be turning to crime to get their food

Considering how often the "I'm poor" defense is used for the ridiculous amount of criminal thuggery America sees daily, I think we can call this a red herring argument.

or just dying off in the streets.

or maybe getting a job to provide for themselves? There's a concept!

It helps so you don't have the homeless everywhere you look.

You've obviously never been to Anchorage Alaska... They are everywhere and they harass everyone for money... mostly to buy hooch.

It helps so that children, our future, have a means of making it to adulthood.

We need to fix the broken system to ensure that money rightly tagged for providing for children in need (and ONLY for children) is actually used only for those children. That may involve some sort of welfare tagging system in which a parent who is collecting welfare for their kid is in a database. When that parent attempts to buy cigarettes, booze, an Xbox, or a sound system their flag pops up in the system and the cashier is to inform them "Sorry, it appears the tax payers are tired of subsidizing your responsibilities and we can't allow you to use your money frivolously until your responsibilities have been prioritized. Thank you, return when you're off the dole." WHY do I feel justified in telling those on welfare what they can do with their own money? Easy my man, they're essentially telling me what I am going to do with mine before it even reaches my wallet by skimming 20% of it right off the top. Fair is fair, right?

All which you would also pay for.

I wouldn't pay for a damned thing aside from my own responsibilities if it was left up to me.

For what it is worth, I would love for you to qualify for some help too.
But then again, we can't say that with out being called dirty commie socialist marxist stalin and hitler loving dogs.

I DON'T WANT "HELP." I DON'T WISH TO 'QUALIFY' FOR ANYTHING! I just want the fullest extent of the money I freaking invested my personally valuable time into earning. That is NOT socialism. Nowhere in my political ethos is socialism featured. I'm all about capitalist egoism, not redistributive socialism.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So you can't look past that some of the people don't abuse the system and actually work.

Very typical.
Blaming the many that don't abuse for the actions of the few that do.
Agree to disagree.

Oh and if you would be willing to take some spoils of war, what would be the difference of taking the spoils of what your tax dollars go to pay for?
ETA:

! I just want the fullest extent of the money I freaking invested my personally valuable time into earning.

Then go live somewhere where there is no taxes, good luck finding that though.
Civilized soceities have taxes, we just need not have the bulk of ours go to the MILITARY AND BAILING OUT THE RICH.
But ya, lets blame the guys getting food stamps!

Makes sense.

Honestly I'd rather some people take advantage of the system than see any kids go hungry. It's not the kids fault. These people made bad decisions, but we can't really cut them off because if we do the kids are ultimately going to be the ones that suffer the most.

It's a crappy situation, and it bugs me too, but there isn't much to be done other than education and job creation and better/cheaper child care.

a reply to: harvestdog

You are probably right and I am just a little shaky needing my morning beer fix and all

It's just that I can relate to the financially challenged better, so I expect more responsible behavior from them.

Hahaha! Morning beer fix....yeh real responsible....

originally posted by: harvestdog
a reply to: eriktheawful

You know what, I never looked into the stringent rules for aquiring WIC. This is a gripe that I have and this isn't about my drinking. What I work hard for, I feel I am damned allowed to spend how I please. I've been down and out, and may still be depending on how some people look at it. Never once did I go looking to Government for help. Not only that, my wife and I are responsible for holding off on kids until we are able to support them ourselves. Seems like the world's a playground with all of the kids wanting everything.

What pisses me off is that we want children. Her biological clock is ticking. Would it be better if we just get pregnant and you and yours support us?

You didn't read my post.

Depending on your age, you and yours were already supporting me, my wife and my first child. I was the US Navy.

Where do you think my paycheck came from?

I'm thinking you more than likely didn't though, as that child is turning 30 this September and has two of her own she's taking care of.

My wife and I were supporting our children. However, she qualified for WIC, so we put in for it. Simple as that (this was back in 1985).

You don't want to have kids until you feel you can support them with no assistance at all? Great! That's responsible of you.
However: no one can predict the future. Tomorrow you could, without meaning to, walk out in front of a speeding bus. You guys could end up financially set a year from now......only to find that six years later you're broke and homeless.

The decision belongs to you guys. If you have kids and end up needing help and qualify for the programs out there, then I'm glad my taxes are helping you out until you get on your feet.

If instead you make a career out of scamming the programs, then no, I'm not happy.

But then, not everyone that gets assistance is scamming the system.

Nor are they all "fat loosers" that are too lazy, and should of had all their stuff organized (which again, doesn't mater how organized you are, WIC check out takes a while), and are all out there to hold you up from making your purchase.

a reply to: Azureblue

I don't like any welfare to be honest. Corporate nor indivdual. I made that decision all by myself without media's help.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Would you mid explaining how that is irresponsible? I work, pay taxes, pay bills, don't take anyone's belongings, nor do I drink and drive. If I like to drink morning beer, that is my right.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I don't have a lot of time to ponder it though... Too busy working to feed the 85 million responsibilities the federal government has forced on me.

Why do you ALWAYS have to lump everyone together? A LARGE portion of those people "you're" feeding HAVE jobs and still need help. Myself, I don't mind feeding people who need it, I have a problem with my taxes helping an overpaid executive get his bonus for doing his job poorly. I have a problem with my taxes building a bomb that kills people whose only crime was having the nerve to live in a country that has a lot of oil. That's what bothers me.

Brother, can you spare a crowbar?

Sorry, I only have one, and it doesn't work anyway

a reply to: harvestdog

If I like to drink morning beer, that is my right.

Look you may see it as a right, I see having a morning beer as being irresponsible. If you cant see the wisdom of abstinence then I cant really offer any more clarity.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Hey man, you view responsibility different than I do. We can't see eye to eye on everything.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: harvestdog

If I like to drink morning beer, that is my right.

Look you may see it as a right, I see having a morning beer as being irresponsible. If you cant see the wisdom of abstinence then I cant really offer any more clarity.

I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the day he killed himself.
-Johnny Carson

a reply to: harvestdog

I guess as long as you don't drink before or during work, and don't drive with alcohol in your system, it doesn't interfere with your ability to pay your bills, and my tax dollars never go to pay for your medical as a result of alcohol related injuries or illness, do what ever you want.

For the record, only pregnant women and children under the age of 5 qualify for wic. A family of 3 can make up to $37,167 a year and still qualify. That means a lot of working people qualify. To get wic every month, you must go in and speak with a nutritionist. The nutritionist goes over the family diet and helps the family see what changes they can make to eat healthier. The family must also attend classes on nutrition. Wic does provide formula, but their big push is on breast feeding and breast feeding support. The provide lactation consultants and education. They also provide breast pumps for working moms to pump milk for their babies while they are at work.

I think Wic is a great program, and I have found that people who have been on wic have better knowledge on a healthy diet than many middle class people as a result. Not that I agree with the governments idea on nutrition especially on grains being the bulk of the diet, but at least people on wic are learning about how bad sugar is and how much sugar is in foods they may have never thought contained a lot of sugar.

a reply to: calstorm

Thanks for the info on the nutritional guidance you would get to be on WIC. The lady and her baby I saw were both fat and didn't heed their advice I guess.

Don't worry about EVER having to pay my medical bills because I made a promise to myself and my higher power that I would rather die, than leave my family under a burden of bills. I suppose morality and ethics can be subjective to some, so I understand if you have other views.

I think that government uses other people's money to accomplish their ends, and it is a mandatory, non-op out circumstance. I believe that churches should come together to help the truly needy without having to proselytize them. Christians and other members of faith should allow themselves to spread their message through their actions.

It may be a good program, but we do not need government to accomplish helping the needy. With government control you get the lowlifes coming out of the wood works to claim what is "theirs". They probably couldn't look a good person in the eye, like if it was a good person helping them through good, personal deeds. With government you have people helping people with other people's money, so there is nothing good or righteous about that.

a reply to: blackmetalmist

You are missing what I am saying if you don't believe my wife would stay home with our baby. Maybe that is what is missing here. I CHOOSE RESPONSIBLY to hold off on kids, even though her biological clock is ticking, until I am capable supporting them myself. I do not NEED anyone to help raise my family, nor would I EXPECT anyone to. If you cannot raise a child yourself, maybe you are not mature and responsible enough to have one.

originally posted by: harvestdog
Don't worry about EVER having to pay my medical bills

Oh, Obamacare ensured that we all have to pay everyone else's medical bills, regardless of whether individuals have the balls to take responsibility for themselves or not. America is moving quickly towards forced socialism.