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Bernie Sanders: Power of billionaires over American politics is ‘national disgrace’

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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

You obviously don't know much about plutocracy, do you?


In modern times, the term is sometimes used pejoratively to refer to societies rooted in state-corporate capitalism or which prioritize the accumulation of wealth over other interests.[21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29] According to Kevin Phillips, author and political strategist to U.S. President Richard Nixon, the United States is a plutocracy in which there is a "fusion of money and government."[30]


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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Socialism works together with capitalism to build a society that not only respects the rights of individuals, but also cares for the collective good.

The founders knew this and that is why we have the General Welfare Clause.


No, socialism does not respect the rights of individuals. Have you not heard of John Dewey's pedagogical stance that children exist as cogs in the wheel of the State? When did the socialist Occupier of the WH respect our rights, while pushing that horrid piece of legislation called the ACA, while trying to force religious people to support abortion on demand, while facilitating TSA groping of citizens at airports in shakedowns. The socialist elites are elites mind you and they have money and lots of it. I didn't see Nancy Pelosi give most of her wealth to the poor. Secular Humanism has destroyed more individualism than you can shake a stick at, as they promote a group-think mentality of certain human standards.
The general welfare clause was not an endorsement of socialism no matter how much you guys keep trying to suggest.
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: buster2010

How about simply answering the question I asked?

My point speaks to the thread topic, Mr. Sanders. and not redirection to minimum wage.



I read your question and wonder why that would matter? The fact that he cares about American Labor should be good enough, none of the other fools do,



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The problem with compromise, is that socialism defines it as saying that they want to stab you in the heart with a 10 inch knife at first, then they say they'll only use a 5 inch knife and call it a 50% reduction and call it 'meeting in the middle".



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Socialism works together with capitalism to build a society that not only respects the rights of individuals, but also cares for the collective good.

The founders knew this and that is why we have the General Welfare Clause.


The general welfare clause was an embellishment as to the general rational for the explicit powers given by the constitution. That is, the General Welfare was the reason that the Constitution was made. The General Welfare is not a reason for the government to do anything, party because of its obvious and certain potential for abuse, but also because the world is complicated, and no group of people can know enough to dictate the rules for a genuinely benign social system.

If the government could do anything that, in the government's opinion, was for the general welfare, then there is no need for a constitution. The Constitution would read "The government can do whatever promotes the general welfare", No other statement is necessary.

The vast majority, 90%+, of the citizens who ratified the Constitution, saw the Constitution as a limiting document. Not an empowering document.

The influence that leads power is always far away from the average person. Therefore that power should be as weak as possible, was the idea of the Constitution.




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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad
A link to Bernie Sanders............he has been in politics for quite sometime.
en.wikipedia.org...
It was a good read for me anyways.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: introvert

yes infusion of money in government.. just like I said, Gates Foundation pours money into Common Core. Sanders is on board with Common Core. Did he make a statement that he would accept it without Bill Gate's money? The administration used public funds to push Common Core as well, saying that any state who accepted the public funds would have to sign on to the CC Standards.
Public/Private Partnerships to the max... and that is incidentally part of Agenda 21.. Did you know also that the administration started a new council straight out of Agenda 21 whatisagenda21.net...

Public Private Partnerships is a buzz word term(Behind The Green Mask by Rosa Koire) created by the proponents and designers of Agenda 21. Also the term NGO's same thing.... non governmental organizations which use private money and donations to promote the programs of Agenda 21.
Oh yah I just noticed that Sanders supports higher Capital Gains tax, which means that any American citizen who has a 401k plan or has a retirement plan involving a stock portfolio or mutual fund will be socked for more money to pay for more of his nutty socialist programs....I rest my case
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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When did the socialist Occupier of the WH respect our rights, while pushing that horrid piece of legislation called the ACA, while trying to force religious people to support abortion on demand, while facilitating TSA groping of citizens at airports in shakedowns. The socialist elites are elites mind you and they have money and lots of it. I didn't see Nancy Pelosi give most of her wealth to the poor. Secular Humanism has destroyed more individualism than you can shake a stick at, as they promote a group-think mentality of certain human standards.


I suppose we cannot come to any agreement if you believe such nonsense. Obama is not a socialist. The ACA was a corporate/government scam that did not give insurance to all people for the betterment of society. It was to enrich the corporations and politicians.
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

You'r missing the point. The founders knew that individual rights were most important, but also that some things would need to be done to care for the collective good. Such as a military.

While the constitution restricts the power and usage of such things, the very basic idea still exists within the General Welfare clause.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: buster2010

How about simply answering the question I asked?

My point speaks to the thread topic, Mr. Sanders. and not redirection to minimum wage.



I did answer your question reread my response.
So just because he hasn't worked for slightly above min wage it shouldn't be an issue?



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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Bernie is right. Citizens United is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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So what does this guy wanna do besides get the entire country $25 an hour minimum wage jobs? Rich people aren't going into the homes of poor people and breaking their alarm clocks or slashing their car tires, in other words preventing them from becoming successful.

Rich people also aren't tearing holes in condoms or forcing people to have unprotected sex before marriage. Another big reason why people stay poor. Stats back it up.

Rich people also aren't forcing people to engage in petty crimes, gang affiliations and innumerable other silly ways to end up in prison. Yet another reason why people stay poor.

So, is Bernie Sanders gonna personally fix all these problems or is he gonna keep blaming rich, white men for all of societies woes?

Work hard, don't have children until you're financially stable and quit breaking the law a**h**e!! If millions of Americans, millions of legal immigrants and also millions of illegal immigrants can do it, why can't you?

How's Bernie Sanders gonna fix all that??

To quote an Obama voter from 2008, "it's Obama money"



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Is it Socialism or is it reverse Socialism?

Or is it the same tactic.




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: Ultralight

Your question speaks to your not understanding the problem. When was the last time you worked for minimum wage? Is the answer to that question relevant to the validity of your opinion?



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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Buster is right, what does it matter what Sanders makes he’s telling the truth that seems to never get through to the American people's thick sculls.


You’re being raped, stomped, f___ed, robbed, bamboozled


And you continue to vote for the same clowns in the same scam


Bernie admits, unlike the liar Obama that he can’t do it alone and needs the help of the people to put pressure on the GOP senate.


He’s almost 80 years old what in the world do you think he’s getting out of this



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I'm sorry, you're going in to nutbag territory and I don;t like to go down that road if I can help it.

Socialism is already at work in this country in good ways and there is no way to dismiss that. You may like to say it's bad and toss out some extremes, but we cannot deny that it is in play today.

LIke I said, roads, the military, police and much more. It is part of this country whether you like it or not.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Semicollegiate

You obviously don't know much about plutocracy, do you?


In modern times, the term is sometimes used pejoratively to refer to societies rooted in state-corporate capitalism or which prioritize the accumulation of wealth over other interests.[21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29] According to Kevin Phillips, author and political strategist to U.S. President Richard Nixon, the United States is a plutocracy in which there is a "fusion of money and government."[30]


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In modern times, the term is sometimes used pejoratively to refer to societies rooted in state-corporate capitalism or which prioritize the accumulation of wealth over other interests.[21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29] According to Kevin Phillips, author and political strategist to U.S. President Richard Nixon, the United States is a plutocracy in which there is a "fusion of money and government."[30]

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That is not inconsistent with what I wrote.

And your definition cherry picks one aspect of Plutocracy so as to say capitalism without saying socialism, or progressivism.

Progressivism and socialism, both collectivism, made the modern state and thus empowered the plutocrats. Socialism gives the plutocrats a handle on society and the economy by using the government to control all, and then controlling the government. The more power the government has, the more power the plutocrats have.


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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: Blazemore2000
Bernie is right. Citizens United is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country.


Just think if the supreme court would have decided no big money in political campaigns, not even the unions.

I wonder how; would a political system with their campaign finances reined in, differ from what we have today in politics.

My thought is. it would be much better than we've had in a very long time.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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Yes you are right the ACA was exactly that a corporate government scam that does not contribute to the overall betterment of society, in spite of the fact that the President and all his socialist buddies promoted it and even bribed and coerced people into voting for it. Yes the Prez is most definitely a socialist and so is his buddy Sanders who endorsed his presidential campaign. Like we keep telling you guys, the corporate elites back socialism and scratch the backs of politicians who help scam the public. Are you also going to tell me sanders is not a socialist when he supports Common Core Standards which are promoted by the likes of Bill Gates? I think this must be a case of tunnel vision or something.
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: introvert

The Constitution may or may not have been made to extend the powers of central government. Many Anti-Federalist critics hostile to the new government foresaw the devolution of power to the plutocrats and tried to stop it.

The major reason the Constitution was ratified was that, it promised to take on the Revolutionary War debt of all colonies that signed on. The Constitutional vote was bought. It was not adopted on its merits as better government.

According to historian Gordon Wood, the American aristocracy was always in control of the Revolutionary War generation. The AA created the Constitution. Not the people.




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