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Bernie Sanders: Power of billionaires over American politics is ‘national disgrace’

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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: introvert

socialism just does not work. It won't matter whose hands its in. Control in the hands of the State is despotic. Like someone said, there will always be people at the top who will run things and use the system for personal benefit. All one has to do is look at who's on the top now and see what they are doing to know that too much power in the hands of the State is not desirable for individual liberty and economic prosperity.


Can the converse be said about capitalism?

Think about that.




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: beezzer

We have the worst politicians money can buy!


That's a better quote...

Who's making these politicians anyway? China?



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: introvert




Spare me the drama. Socialism is a good thing and we see the benefits if it daily.


I find it comical that people defend socialism as a socialist country begins to very publicly collapse..in the process taking the EU with them.




You like police? Socialism.

You like nice roads? Socialism.

You like the military? Socialism.


Why is it that people who go on and on about socialism understand it so little?





Too many people have no clue what the hell they are talking about and base their opinions on the crap they hear others say.


Interesting you should say that....




By the way, if god is anything like his son.....he's a socialist.


This is something repeated ad nauseum by leftists. You people don't even read the bible how the hell would you know?



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Semicollegiate

So following the policies of countries that have less crime and a higher standard of living for the poor and middle class is a bad thing?

The man is not talking about reinventing the wheel.

He is talking about analysing successful programs in other countries and finding practical ways to implement already proven ideologies here in the USA.

Me on the other hand, I would like to reinvent the wheel. But I am willing to settle for the more practical approach of implementing proven programs.


I would like to know what countries you're talking about. The only country that comes to mind is Germany which is a social democracy. But Germans have a history of hardcore discipline in everything they do. Everyone works. Education is mandatory, not a choice. Germany is not a welfare state. It controls who gets handouts very strictly. Their healthcare system is the best in the world. Industry works hand-in-hand with government. But it's their work ethic that makes it a success, not just the philosophical tenets of socialism.

I can't think of another country who measures up to Germany but it's an anomaly.

And Bernie Sanders will fall on his face if he's elected. The mindset of the United States is "redistribution of wealth" - without the individual responsibility of creating that wealth. Take from the rich; give to the poor. What a concept! What happens when the rich disappear or simply stop producing?
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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Sanders is a national disgrace, he let some BLM wack jobs take over his rally all the while looking like a lost puppy with it's tail tucked between it's legs.... People without backbones don't deserve to be president period.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

It seems fashionable now for candidates to boost their poll numbers by stating the obvious. Trump is using public discontent with the status quo and xenophobia. Bernie is using wealth inequality and class division. The problem is, despots can ride a populist wave to power as easy as a savior. I personally dont think we need some radical change in our society, we need a RETURN to our system of government before it was bought and paid for by the one percent. We need to regulate the financial sector and jail people when they break the law. We need import tariffs. We need affordable education. No need to turn into a socialist country to do that. Cradle to grave social safety nets work great in countries with relatively small homogeneous populations. And the free market works great if its not coopted by billionaires and multinational corporations. But neither really can apply to the US, we simply have too big of a population. We don't need these candidates to tell us what the problem is. We need them to give us a viable valid solution not based on empty slogans or pie in the sky abstractions. I am sick of being told how bad it is and who is bad, we need SOLUTIONS.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: openminded2011

A free market is ruled by greed, how cheap can I buy and the sky is the limit when selling. It drains every bit of profit from everyone it can.

It's just like playing monopoly,

I think we all know how the game ends!



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Except, in a free market the producers are not protected against consumer dissatisfaction and against new competition.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: openminded2011

A free market is ruled by greed, how cheap can I buy and the sky is the limit when selling. It drains every bit of profit from everyone it can.

It's just like playing monopoly,

I think we all know how the game ends!






I agree, the free market is largely a myth. But unfortunately greed was a big motivating factor in building the country. Altruism is as big a myth as the free market. People do things mostly for self interest.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: TheBandit795

Not everyone profiting in a free market is a producer though, are they?


Banks, the money launderers produce what product?



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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Most of the comments against socialism fail to realize, Capitalism is socialism's biggest failure. Capitalism attacks working systems of socialism until they collapse. Then they offer credit and the people rejoice for awhile.

Capitalism exists on abusing all ideals that can be stretched and sacrificing people who are unable to resist. Its very nature allows the most abusive and aggressive idea to prevail. If you are lucky enough to be on the favorable side of capitalism, you will live in a country with no savings and a debt so large, money can be gained off the recycled wastes. If your on the other side of the politics, you will live in a country that has no own-able land and pennies can be made by helping to steal the resources for the "owner".

We demonize all form of socialism, even the systems we deem necessary. Because helping the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of our teeming shore.... its why we are not all rich, as I keep hearing.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: TheBandit795
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Except, in a free market the producers are not protected against consumer dissatisfaction and against new competition.


Unless you have a monopoly.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
Obama talked a good game too. I am not buying anything these guys on either side of the fence are selling. Why are you?


because if a republican gets elected POTUS, the whole damn government is in their hands....the pres, the senate, the house, the supreme court and the majority of state governors.....geez these guys want to privatize everything, cut what's left, including taxes for the wealthy, and regulations for the corporate......excluding military, of course, they will be going to war.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: TheBandit795

Not everyone profiting in a free market is a producer though, are they?


Banks, the money launderers produce what product?


They maintain services.

Like money storage and loan guarantees.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: buster2010

All Socialist countries have ultra high national and local debts.

Big banker pop-goes-the-weasels.





Not "all"

I thought we had put that fallecy to bed ?

Do you just refuse to take in facts that dont fit your naritive?



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

well which ones don't?




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: crazyewok

well which ones don't?


I explained in the last thread.

Norway, sweden, finland, denmark.

All have low (for a country) debt that they are managing.
Most seem to be running a budget surplus which means the debt is getting smaller not bigger.

In fact Norway was running a budget surplus of near 10%

Do we have to go through debt verse deficit again too?
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I learned something new, leaches are to be considered producers, by some.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: xuenchen

I learned something new, leaches are to be considered producers, by some.



Yup.





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