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Bernie Sanders: Power of billionaires over American politics is ‘national disgrace’

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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: introvert




How does socialism do that? The practice of socialism itself, much like capitalism, is at the whim of the people in power


As I have said many times on this site, Marx and Lenin both admitted that communism would necessitate a "dictatorship of the Proletariat", that is someone at the top calling the shots.


Marx wrote: Every provisional state setup after a revolution requires a dictatorship, and an energetic dictatorship at that. From the beginning we taxed Camphausen with not acting dictatorially, with not immediately smashing and eliminating the remnants of the old institutions.
www.marxmyths.org...




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:06 PM
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It sounds depressing, and it is...

The "system" has, and always will be controlled by those with money.

It was created by and for those with money. It will always continue to benefit the least among us, as those people have all the resources.

Something happens when you gain wealth -- you loose the ability to be altruistic and care about the good of everyone.

Things are going to have to get a lot worse for all of us before they ever get better. At least Bernie is trying, but I fear it won't even be close to enough.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus



Many people who trump up socialism as the greatest benefactor of society apparently do not understand the real agenda behind it


I've said no such thing. I've only said that we have to have a good mix of both capitalism and socialism, and you are misrepresenting my interpretation of socialism.



but socialism is still a bridge to the even more extreme communism, of which both Lenin and Marx claimed as such. It is in the Communist Manifesto and Lenin's own statements.


Yes it is. In the wrong hands socialism can do very bad things. Just like capitalism. It all boils down to what we allow our leaders to do.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Do you think China and India have a good mix of both capitalism and socialism?

If so, why.

If not, why not.




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
It sounds depressing, and it is...

The "system" has, and always will be controlled by those with money.

It was created by and for those with money. It will always continue to benefit the least among us, as those people have all the resources.

Something happens when you gain wealth -- you loose the ability to be altruistic and care about the good of everyone.

Things are going to have to get a lot worse for all of us before they ever get better. At least Bernie is trying, but I fear it won't even be close to enough.


Yes and many of those, worked for their money. I have met many wealthy people not rich, but wealthy, and not all wealthy people act like your describing. Most wealthy people I have met, have very good manners, are educated, and talk with me with respect, considering I have a skill they need
.

You know as long as we are breathing we have the ability, to get rich as well you know...

I am not saying I see many people posting here blaming government for their failures, yet bare in mind many, many people around the globe, are dreaming to live in the USA...

I am not sure of any other country where you can be rewarded greatly for your hard work..

I would suggest for people to move to socialized countries if they are so unhappy here, I understand we have corruption in free societies etc.

Also yes we live in a free market, so yes those with more money have more power and freedom, that is by design...

I will never forget a lesson I learned, nothing is free in this world... That gave me a winning attitude...



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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Working for their money isn't the issue.

It's about creating laws and loopholes that reinforce wealth, and limit upward mobility for others. The more you look into tax law the more you realize just how insidious this is.

Those at the top keep themselves at the top by ensuring favorable conditions for themselves. What they fail to somehow realize is that the people who mop their floors, cook their meals, drive their cars, clean their pools make their lavish lifestyles possible.

I'm not talking about someone who makes three figures. I'm talking about mutli-billionaires. I'm not talking about doctors, lawyers, engineers...I'm talking about generational wealth.

If the bottom among the population keep getting marginalized, the foundation of this country will crumble. If the super-rich want to continue to get richer, they need to reinforce the foundation of society. It's in their best interest to have a prosperous middle class of people with disposable income to spend.

This sucking of wealth from the middle and bottom classes to reinforce the upper echelons of society isn't sustainable. It simply isn't. The entire jenga tower is going to collapse. Nothing is trickling down, but rather trickling up.

And what's really odd is that the people who defend all of this. It's not the super wealthy that are outspoken -- it's often poor, uneducated conservatives who vote against their own interests. It's like a horrible pandemic of Stockholm Syndrome has overtaken all the states colored in red. It's like an abused spouse defending their abusive partner.

"He's a really good person...even though he beats me, he doesn't mean it"

It's really mind boggling.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: introvert

Do you think China and India have a good mix of both capitalism and socialism?

If so, why.

If not, why not.



China and India do not have a good mix, as they are more corporatist and capitalist than I would like.

The need to profit is what has created the sweat shops in China and the phone banks/customer service industries in India.

China's ruling party may be called Communist, but communist they are not.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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it's often poor, uneducated conservatives who vote against their own interests. It's like a horrible pandemic of Stockholm Syndrome has overtaken all the states colored in red. It's like an abused spouse defending their abusive partner.


Very well said.

I wish people would be able to see the position we are in. It does not look good and instead of fighting for our own interests, we protect those that work against us.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 05:02 PM
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Exactly, and if the corporations had their way, our country would look like China or India. We'd have suicide nets outside office buildings because we're all working 15 hour days just to live in tiny, rented tin-roofed shacks.

Unregulated capitalism allows pure greed to flow, devaluing the human life.

Profit over people. It should be the other way around.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

I was also talking about generational wealthy people.. Not rich but wealthy... Yes I have met them and I do not hold the same opinion.. I guess you are trying to say they are not getting taxed enough etc..

I am not going to blame the rich for being rich...



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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Unregulated capitalism means there would be no laws or government protecting the rich against competition, as it is right now.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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I heard something today that made me stop and pause for a moment:

"Trump is the leader you guys probably deserve, but Bernie Sanders is the leader you guys need".



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
It sounds depressing, and it is...

The "system" has, and always will be controlled by those with money.

It was created by and for those with money. It will always continue to benefit the least among us, as those people have all the resources.

Something happens when you gain wealth -- you loose the ability to be altruistic and care about the good of everyone.

Things are going to have to get a lot worse for all of us before they ever get better. At least Bernie is trying, but I fear it won't even be close to enough.


The system is controlled by those with higher intelligence. They use money, but money is not the whole story.

Half of the voting public is below average in intelligence, by the definition of average intelligence.

You will be ruled by people smarter than you until you are independent and discern some basic truths.
Such as,
To get something you don't have you must make it or trade for it. period.
If there are altruistic people then they are altruistic because they enjoy being altruistic. They are mutants.
Natural selection never stops.
Voluntary cooperation is a win-win, promotes specialization, and doesn't need government.
90% of the population were slaves BC, for hundreds of generations, slavery is in the gene pool.
Don't give other people power over you that you don't have to.

edit on 8-8-2015 by Semicollegiate because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

There will be a time when people will realize that leaders are not necessary. Perhaps that day will come in decades or centuries, though.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

I wonder if Mr Sanders receives money from billionaires exclusively. [Insert Simpson's reference here]



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Everyone (progs, libs) defended Obama back in 08.

Everyone (progs, libs) is defending Bernie by saying he's not Obama.

I'm enjoying the show.

*munches popcorn*



Obama talked a good game, but on the issues he has been more or less the same as GWB. Obama was a huge disappointment.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 09:47 PM
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U.S. "democracy" = North Korean "egalitarianism".



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 11:19 PM
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Socialist programs will work, as long as capitalism can foot the bill. Socialist economies are inevitably a disaster.a reply to: buster2010



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: introvert

socialism just does not work. It won't matter whose hands its in. Control in the hands of the State is despotic. Like someone said, there will always be people at the top who will run things and use the system for personal benefit. All one has to do is look at who's on the top now and see what they are doing to know that too much power in the hands of the State is not desirable for individual liberty and economic prosperity.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 12:29 AM
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originally posted by: Parthin96
Socialist programs will work, as long as capitalism can foot the bill. Socialist economies are inevitably a disaster.a reply to: buster2010



Sorry to say, even with Capitalist funds footing the bill, it's still not going to work and is not working. That is why hard core socialists are still whining that its just not enough of socialism and thats why its not working...lol ok cant they take a lesson from the old Soviet Union? It didnt work for them either. History proves that.




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