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Bernie Sanders: Power of billionaires over American politics is ‘national disgrace’

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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

All Socialist countries have ultra high national and local debts.

Big banker pop-goes-the-weasels.





posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: introvert

A socialistic government is dysfunctional as hell.. I will take a free economy and private ownership any day..

I am not a fan of lenin, or Marx.

I will agree thou a little bit of socialism is ok.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

So following the policies of countries that have less crime and a higher standard of living for the poor and middle class is a bad thing?

The man is not talking about reinventing the wheel.

He is talking about analysing successful programs in other countries and finding practical ways to implement already proven ideologies here in the USA.

Me on the other hand, I would like to reinvent the wheel. But I am willing to settle for the more practical approach of implementing proven programs.

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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate



Socialism uses a system that capitalism made, and then handicaps capitalism as much as possible so as to protect the plutocrats.

Plutocrats benefit off a capitalist system not a socialist system.



Socialist's intensions are understandable but realizing those intensions using socialism is not possible.

Except in nations where it actually works.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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Compared to Bernie the other Candidates are an embarrassment.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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Social Democracies use big corporations.




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: buster2010

All Socialist countries have ultra high national and local debts.

Big banker pop-goes-the-weasels.




Yes as opposed to the ultra low debt capitalist nations like America have huh?



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: buster2010

All Socialist countries have ultra high national and local debts.

Big banker pop-goes-the-weasels.




Yes as opposed to the ultra low debt capitalist nations like America have huh?


America is Capitalsit?

Even with all the Social spending?

Hmmm.

Big banker house debt.




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Semicollegiate



Ron Paul voted against every bill during his Representancy. I doubt that Sanders has done the same.

You have done no fact checking have you? Ron Paul yea on plenty of things including invading Iraq but at least he was man enough to admit he was wrong. Here is his voting record.
Ron Paul's Voting Records



My mistake, Ron Paul voted against all budget and appropriations increases, although he did enter earmarks for his district that went into effect when the bills passed.

Everyone who voted for a congressman, that voted in favor of an increase in the budget, should have their income taxes raised 1% for each time they voted him in.




Bernie voted against the Iraq war.


+1 for Bernard. Maybe most courageous.

After 911 I started listening to Alex Jones. 911 is the beginning of the end of free people. Unless something unpredictable in the PTB plan's happens.

Representatives should vote for what their constituency wants. Ron Paul's constituency wanted less government. Sander's constituency wants more government, the perfect kind of government.





You do know that in some socialist countries the people have even more freedoms than we do in America don't you? Thanks to the policies brought forth by the Democrats and Republicans the American people have become nothing more than slaves to the elite and the banks and corporations they own.


Those freedoms are only possible due to the wealth generated by the capitalistic aspects remaining in those countries.

Sanders is a Democrat, or else he will not be able to get any of his plans through Congress. Some ol' same ol', demonize the system, who can't demonize the system?, and then give the system more power in the long run.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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So is he going to get rid of the Bill and Melinda Gates billionaire influence on education in the US manifest as the Common Core National Education Standards?

Better be across the board or its more socialist bs.

In fact here is his slippery slime eel website statement on Common Core

Common Core Curriculum Some Vermont schools will open the school year with some revised curriculum to meet more rigorous national education standards called the Common Core. While Vermont has accepted the standards, some Republican governors are modifying them, pushing back against what they call the federal government's intrusion into the classroom, AP reported.
www.sanders.senate.gov...

Since Bill Gates is the biggest corporate financial supporter of Common Core Standards and he has spent millions on it...Sanders must be signed on to that.... be logical when thinking through your support of people based on their supposed stance on a given subject... www.washingtonpost.com...
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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How about simply answering the question I asked?

My point speaks to the thread topic, Mr. Sanders. and not redirection to minimum wage.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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Im sorry you didnt get how the capitalist/communist system created by the elites works in Hegelian dialectic. I always keep going back to the late Antony Sutton to understand it, and the connection to "The Order" of Skull and Bones and the CFR which controls our country. www.prisonplanet.com...



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Semicollegiate

So following the policies of countries that have less crime and a higher standard of living for the poor and middle class is a bad thing?


Prove that comes from solely socialism.




The man is not talking about reinventing the wheel.

He is talking about analysing successful programs in other countries and finding practical ways to implement already proven ideologies here in the USA.


None of them are proven, all socialistic programs assume the wealth from the Industrial Revolution just fell out of the sky.

Socialism lives off of the surpluses created by a century of classical liberal and capitalistic enterprises.




Me on the other hand, I would like to reinvent the wheel. But I am willing to settle for the more practical approach of implementing proven programs.


The libertarian/classical liberal always assumes that when everybody is thinking for themselves, something better than the wheel will happen. Motivation and multitudes of active brains can find solutions that small groups of indoctrinated experts cannot.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:27 PM
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So following the policies of countries that have less crime and a higher standard of living for the poor and middle class is a bad thing?


Socialism is not creating a higher standard and lower crime rate, unless of course you want to ignore our own social programs beginning from the New Deal...how much more crime in the inner cities have we now with so much govt spending on welfare programs food stamps public education, etc??? The ills of society are much deeper than you give credit....I credit Hollywood and the entertainment culture for destroying our sense of what is moral, I credit the public education system for its role in destroying real education and inserting Progressive mores which break down our cultural strength, I credit those people and organizations which deliberately break down our moral codes.
No amount of socialism is going to fix morality.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

thanks for explaining that better than I could. I was debating on trying to explain it, but you did a very good job for me..



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
Obama talked a good game too. I am not buying anything these guys on either side of the fence are selling. Why are you?


Yep. Agreed. They all start out saying what they believe...but to get elected they have to do what is dictated to them to do...



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Semicollegiate



Socialism uses a system that capitalism made, and then handicaps capitalism as much as possible so as to protect the plutocrats.

Plutocrats benefit off a capitalist system not a socialist system.


Plutocrats made the socialist system.

The masses know what the plutocrats tell them through the media and public education. The masses vote on what is given to then, and by what the masses know from the plutocratic information teat.

Plutocrat=lobbyists

Plutocrats founded all of the non governmental organizations.

The plutocrats are the socialist government. or above it, technically.




Except in nations where it actually works.


Passing out all of the gold in the treasury works too. Until all the gold is gone.


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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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Socialism works together with capitalism to build a society that not only respects the rights of individuals, but also cares for the collective good.

The founders knew this and that is why we have the General Welfare Clause.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: Bicent76
a reply to: introvert

A socialistic government is dysfunctional as hell.. I will take a free economy and private ownership any day..

I am not a fan of lenin, or Marx.

I will agree thou a little bit of socialism is ok.


Everything in moderation. Extreme socialism may not work. Extreme capitalism may not work.

We must have a fine mix of both.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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I will agree thou a little bit of socialism is ok.


Yes until the whole camel is inside the tent




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