The Truth of Things

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

A fool is someone who lacks full understanding. I am a fool in the sense that I do not know the answer to the "how" or "why", I lack full understanding to those questions. One who is a fool does not worry either. That is my interpretation at least.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

A fool is someone who lacks full understanding. I am a fool in the sense that I do not know the answer to the "how" or "why", I lack full understanding to those questions. One who is a fool does not worry either. That is my interpretation at least.

May I ask?

Did you google that?

BTW, a question for you,

do you think there is such a thing as "Enlightenment"?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

No, I just know what a fool is. Why do you ask?

I believe there is such thing as enlightenment, sure. Do you believe there isn't?

Like Kansas once said: "And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know." To not know is to be a fool. Foolish and wise are said to be on opposite ends of the spectrum but as Jesus said "many who are first will be last and many who are last shall be first" and "those who exalt themselves will be humbled and those who humble themselves will be exalted", same concept.

a reply to: arpgme

There's many success stories. Anita Moorjani saw the other side and she kbows using Faith to do miracles is real and she did it. Many people lack faith.

How come they never show the many people who die from regular medicine on the mainstream news? Why do they always show the few cases of when fairh healing didn't work?

Note: I'm NOT saying to not take medicine. That wasn't my point. My point is that Faith without doubt has the power to do things which people are being taught is impossible.

There is some merit to what you say. Faith and prayer has a compelling effect. But in a sense it is only a technique to lessen stress and fear, by forcing oneself to focus inside so as to avoid what is occurring outside. It's a small form of hibernation for a tired soul.

It's a small form of hibernation for a tired soul.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope
well there are plenty of those that is for sure, I feel I have about 10 thousand of them are me.hibernation best thing that ever didnt happen.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I wanted to know the source of your knowledge
about the concept of what a 'fool' in this context
is.

Let me ask you another question. Would Buddha
have gone with a tag saying, "3NL1GHT3N3D1"?

Now I imagine you think i'm 'attacking you', but
rest assured, I am not. I'm just interested in
what you know and how your mind works.

I was going to use Jesus in that question BTW,
but he was all over the map between Son of Man
and Son of God so it wouldn't have made a good
question.

The Romans should have used a better editing
source than Josephus in my opinion, but that
is another whole topic.

On 'Enlightenment' - what becomes 'Enlightened'?

BTW, did you know that in the Yoga traditions anyway,
there are specific symptoms said to occur at the moment
of 'Enlightenment' and ones who 'achieve that' will never
tell anyone what transpired?

If that's true in your opinion, why do you think that is?
Any ideas?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

He probably wouldn't have chosen this name to be honest. I made this screen name a little over 3 years ago before I knew what I know now. Maybe I had a bit of a superiority complex when I was first delving into my spiritual side, but it is what it is at this point, no changing it now unless I want to start all over.

Also, Jesus was the Son of Man and Son of God, he is both. Man is flesh, God is Spirit. The image is the melding of both flesh and Spirit.

What becomes enlightened? Nothing in particular, it's just a word for the concept of gnosis, knowing thyself.

They won't tell anyone what transpired because the event cannot be explained in our limited languages. In order to understand that moment you have to experience it, it is pointless to try and explain it with words because words cannot explain it in any meaningful way.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Ok thanks for sharing your observations with me.
Maybe we will find ourselves chatting another time.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear


BTW, did you know that in the Yoga traditions anyway,
there are specific symptoms said to occur at the moment
of 'Enlightenment' and ones who 'achieve that' will never
tell anyone what transpired?

If that's true in your opinion, why do you think that is?
Any ideas?

At the moment of enlightenment it is realized that there is no one - so how could anyone be told what had transpired?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Reality has many levels:

A human being on the outside may have a sickness you don’t see.


That is a more true reality than the outward appearing “healthy” person


One has to have a grasp OF ALL THESE LEVELS to know truth

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
At the moment of enlightenment it is realized that there is no one - so how could anyone be told what had transpired?

When you figure out how to do that you will have come full circle.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Do you know the difference between SalviKalpa Samahdi
and NirvhiKalpa Samahdi? Are these concepts valid?
Are they important?

So how does one know whether their 'awakening' is the real
deal, or whether it's just more recycled new age pablum?

What if the 'truth' about 'reality' was unpleasant? Would you
still want to know 'the truth' ?

If you unconsciously knew that the 'truth' was unpleasant,
would you have the courage to press on to learn the
'inconvenient truth' ?

So what are golden chains, and do you have any?

I might be stepping out soon, so don't take it personally
If I don't respond back right away.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Do you know the difference between SalviKalpa Samahdi
and NirvhiKalpa Samahdi?

Never heard of them.

Are these concepts valid?

In what context?

Are they important?

I doubt it.

What if the 'truth' about 'reality' was unpleasant?

There is no truth 'about' reality - there is reality which is the truth.

Would you
still want to know 'the truth' ?

No one can know the truth.

So what are golden chains,

I have no idea.

and do you have any?

Who knows?

a reply to: [post=19618990]Itisnowagain[/post it all sounds like one post, interesting duality appearance.

Enlightenment is seeing everything there is to see in time and place


Knowing everything there is to know, and knowing that you know it, in time and place


And hearing everything there is to hear in time and place


Right now we hear little, see little, and know little in time and place
Deaf, dumb, and blind


The statement time and place refers to what is vital that you know, see, and hear now, as relates to any blockages that prevent clear sight, clear hearing, and certain knowledge

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So what are golden chains, and do you have any?

Is it bad if a spirit gives you golden bracelets to put on your wrists in the astral/spirit realm? What about silver?

Interesting that you mentioned that.

(Note: This is still on topic because my previous post was that SPIRIT is the truth of things not just this physical now that we can see)

a reply to: arpgme

Even if loss (death) does occur, there is still (gain).

Life has won and death is defeated. Death kills itself but Life is eternal.

Death kills only yesterday and tomorrow, then Now shines through.

a reply to: babybunnies

The basis of all religion and cults is to "CEASE THOUGHT" and come to God.

What this thread is really trying to say is that the constant chatter and self talk of the mind is what leads to suffering. The mind and ego self needs problems to give it relevance. Stop pause and smell the roses and most problems don't exist.

There is only the now and action. With action one doesn't get stuck on projecting whether their endeavour will be prone to failure or success.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What I'm saying is that I too was delusional about being 'enlightened'

But one cannot claim to have reached enlightment, to do so is unenlightened. There is only a journey.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I tell you it's all brainwash from the past that was genetically past on to you.