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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
He's a democratic socialist. Bit of a difference between that and a classic socialist...or a progressive socialist, whatever the hell that is.
World's Happiest Countries? Social Democracies
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: AlaskanDad
Oh good lord, what nonsense is this?
The reason this is oxymoronic is because libertarians believe that humans are corruptible and imperfect.
Politicians and bureaucrats are humans therefore, monopoly power must be held to the bare minimum.
No libertarian wakes up one day and says, "hey, I think I want a totalitarian state to oversee and manage my life gosh darn it!"
originally posted by: neo96
Not the banks Sanders is whining about.
originally posted by: FyreByrd
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: AlaskanDad
Oh good lord, what nonsense is this?
The reason this is oxymoronic is because libertarians believe that humans are corruptible and imperfect.
Politicians and bureaucrats are humans therefore, monopoly power must be held to the bare minimum.
No libertarian wakes up one day and says, "hey, I think I want a totalitarian state to oversee and manage my life gosh darn it!"
So corporations are perfect?
What's wrong with many Libertarians, Conservatives (and Objectivists for that matter) is that they believe that some people are 'worthy' and some people are 'worthless' and tend to judge based on net worth (but religion, color, nationality can all be used to measure 'worth'). They also believe they should be 'free' to do whatever is necessary to increase that 'net worth' regardless of the consequences to other people and the biosphere.
Each and every person born is worthy, IMO, and should have the 'freedom' to develop their talents and skills as they see fit, not according to 'what they or their family can afford to pay'. That is freedom. Sure there are people who will need the care of the community throughout their lives but that is the very measure of the 'value' of a civiliation in the progress of humanity.
There are people who like people (themselves included) that think humans born are 'bad' and have to be forced into ????? 'good' and there are people who think people are born 'good' and are conditioned to 'bad behavoir'.
Which are you?
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ketsuko
Total BS sums it up for you. How quaint. I have one too.
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: FyreByrd
Yep. Capitalism is not meant to work forever. At some point we have to evolve. Those trying to make it work forever are running out of runway too, as they've gathered most of the pellets already. That leaves the vast, vast majority...well out in the cold.
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
He's a democratic socialist. Bit of a difference between that and a classic socialist...or a progressive socialist, whatever the hell that is.
World's Happiest Countries? Social Democracies
How "happy" are the homeless and the people in poverty in those Social Democracies ?
You know those governments are deep in debt right?
Well, there is one more way in which Cuba differs from most other poor countries in the world—the tiny island nation has virtually no homeless people. There are many reasons for that accomplishment. First, although housing is not free in Cuba, the government does take steps to keep the cost of housing low. That leads to a high rate of homeownership—around 85%. By way of comparison, the Census Bureau says the rate of homeownership in the United States was 66.9% in 2010.
Highly subsidized housing, however, is only part of the story. There is also a cultural factor that helps reduce homelessness. Call it family values. In Cuba, people take all kinds of extended family members into their homes because no one wants a family member to be out on the streets. Multigenerational households are the norm in Cuba.
originally posted by: xuenchen
How "happy" are the homeless and the people in poverty in those Social Democracies ?
You know those governments are deep in debt right?
originally posted by: neo96
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: FyreByrd
Yep. Capitalism is not meant to work forever. At some point we have to evolve. Those trying to make it work forever are running out of runway too, as they've gathered most of the pellets already. That leaves the vast, vast majority...well out in the cold.
What we have isn't capitalism. At best it's watered down. At worst it's crony.
Funny how someone say 'evolve'. When the Obama, and the Sanders are the epitome of devolution.
Social engineering the environment to suit the mediocre.
I agree people need to evolve, and stop their reliance on the state for their existence.
originally posted by: neo96
OMG.
Constitutional amendment to ban big money in politics ?
Like Unions are ever going to give that up. Sanders wants it to only 'people, and unions get to buy politicians.
'Tax carbon' seriously ? TAXING the AIR we breathe. Then 'give' it too the 'people' of course only a pitance of the money collected.
'Enact a single payer' We already have that in the form of medicare,and medicaid where everyone is using it hardly anyone paying for it.
'Free public education' WoWZERS' as if the 1 trillion in student debt wasn't enough already here comes Sanders!
'$15 bucks' mimum wage? Yeah that Sanders is really for small business because that would put millions out of work.
'Make it easier' to form unions ? LOOOOOL.
'Expand SS medicare,medicaid ? as if 150 million that are currently on those wasn't enough.
Back to taking more money out of business owners who will be footing 6% of those contributions adjust MORE because of increased wages means INCREASED ss,medicare contributions.
Which means More people out of work.
Sanders is a DISASTER,
originally posted by: neo96
Today Americans have bigger homes, more stuff,. more benefits, higher pay than our parents, and grand parents did.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: darkbake
The stock market is at all time highs.
Hovering above/below 18000 of course that is mainly due to the feds manipulation of interest rates.
That stocks are the only place to park money that returns half way decent.