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I gave up Ayn Rand for Bernie Sanders

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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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Of course we all know that there is lots of welfare for Wall Street in the US of A's budget, Bernie Sanders thinks there is to much:




I gave up Ayn Rand for Bernie Sanders: How I grew up and traded libertarianism for a progressive “socialist”

Most self-identifying "libertarians" actually subscribe to a bankrupt ideology. What if they all opened their eyes?



Sanders calls himself a socialist, which is just about as big an American insult as you get. Conventional politicians and business people decry the evils of socialism, except when they are wallowing in it. America has the most generous socialist government that has ever existed in human history, but it only applies to millionaires. If you’re on the board of a bank or massive corporation, the government has unlimited socialism for you. No cost loans, favorable bankruptcy laws, bailouts and tax breaks without limit. At the same time, unemployed students cannot discharge student loans no matter how bleak their financial circumstances. Socialism has been inverted. Rather than deployed for the poor and struggling, it’s doled out endlessly to people who don’t need it.




The majority has ceased to rule here. Most people don’t even bother to vote, and that’s by design. Liberal ideas would always win if everyone voted, which is why there is such a nonstop, furious attack on voting by the right. America is under siege by a small, insular aristocracy, and they won’t go down without a fight. It’s telling that we could easily see candidates from only two “noble” families, the Bushes and the Clintons, in our next election. We need no more perfect example of American feudalism than power being passed back and forth between ruling houses.


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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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Of course we all know that there is lots of welfare for Wall Street in the US of A's budget, Bernie Sanders thinks there is to much:


Since all social programs are corporate welfare especially those on Wall Street like JP Morgan, and Mosanto. I sincerely doubt Sanders will do anything about THAT corporate welfare.



If you’re on the board of a bank or massive corporation, the government has unlimited socialism for you.


Or if your a green corporation there's lots of 'socialism' for you too. Even if one goes Bankrupt lots more to go around.


Doubt Sanders will do much about that either.


Now here is the kicker.

The ideology of robbing from the haves(socialism) giving to the have nots ALL so they can go out, and buy more stuff.

Sanders is a proponent of the Welfare Industrial Complex.

We already have on of those in the oval office.

Hope and change worked out so wonderfully didn't it.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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Excellent post, S&F!

I love what the article stated about the attack on voting by the right wing. It makes so much sense. The right try to pass laws that make it more difficult for poor and oppressed people to vote.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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no way

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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: ChiefD
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Excellent post, S&F!

I love what the article stated about the attack on voting by the right wing. It makes so much sense. The right try to pass laws that make it more difficult for poor and oppressed people to vote.




Yay class warfare!

The 'war' on poverty has been a raging success hasn't it ?

Pitting one class against the other spending over $22 trillion dollars and has nothing to show for it other than there are now more poor,more people dependent upon government for their existence than ever in this nations entire history.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Oh yeah that Sanders is such a 'winner'.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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He's a democratic socialist. Bit of a difference between that and a classic socialist...or a progressive socialist, whatever the hell that is.

World's Happiest Countries? Social Democracies


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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: neo96


Yay class warfare!

The 'war' on poverty has been a raging success hasn't it ?



It sure has - sarcasm shared - the US neo-conservative model has utterly failed "the people".

Glad to see you coming on side of humanity



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

Since all social programs are corporate welfare especially those on Wall Street like JP Morgan, and Mosanto. I sincerely doubt Sanders will do anything about THAT corporate welfare.


The term "Corporate Welfare" refers to the process of giving money and aid to Corporate Entities mostly through subsidies. Giving money to individuals as in Welfare would not qualify as "Corporate Welfare" at all. People aren't Corporations. They are people. So all social programs cannot be considered "Corporate Welfare".


Or if your a green corporation there's lots of 'socialism' for you too. Even if one goes Bankrupt lots more to go around.


Sure, it's called financial aid and it goes to promising new business ideas and startups. Since when is promoting new better business ideas a bad idea???

The problem is when it's given to business that are already making huge profits anyway or are old bad idea that need to end. Unfortunately they get the larger share of it too.


The ideology of robbing from the haves(socialism) giving to the have nots ALL so they can go out, and buy more stuff.


Because robbing from the poor to give to the rich is a better idea??? Only in "opposite land" would that even make sense.


Sanders is a proponent of the Welfare Industrial Complex.


Wrong. Sanders is a supporter of small business and the working middle class and the poor. He encourages a strong working population with jobs and a future and a decent living standard. However he also realizes that such a thing is impossible in a system that has been engineered to favor the rich and power which has resulted in .01% of people owning 90% of everything while the rest have to share the scraps that are left over. At that point some form of equalization has to occur or you're left with despotism.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:15 PM
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Oh good lord, what nonsense is this?

The reason this is oxymoronic is because libertarians believe that humans are corruptible and imperfect.

Politicians and bureaucrats are humans therefore, monopoly power must be held to the bare minimum.

No libertarian wakes up one day and says, "hey, I think I want a totalitarian state to oversee and manage my life gosh darn it!"
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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
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Worried eh?

Sanders has a snows balls chance in becoming potus.

My beef is the idolatry of him.

Exactly by the same people who idolize the current guy in the oval office that whispered sweet nothing in to the masses ears, and fell for it hook,line, and sinker.
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posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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The term "Corporate Welfare" refers to the process of giving money and aid to Corporate Entities mostly through subsidies. Giving money to individuals as in Welfare would not qualify as "Corporate Welfare" at all.


That was damn right hilarious. The money ends up in the same place.




Because robbing from the poor to give to the rich is a better idea??? Only in "opposite land" would that even make sense.


That is EXACTLY what social programs do.




Wrong. Sanders is a supporter of small business and the working middle class and the poor. He encourages a strong working population with jobs and a future and a decent living standard. However he also realizes that such a thing is impossible in a system that has been engineered to favor the rich and power which has resulted in .01% of people owning 90% of everything while the rest have to share the scraps that are left over. At that point some form of equalization has to occur or you're left with despotism.


The Sanders doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

House Hold assets @ $ 86 TRILLION dollars. Seems the 99% is doing quite well.

www.usdebtclock.org...



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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That's fine. Limit the size and power of Government if it's needed. But nobody wants too much power in the hands of a few individuals or Corporations either so we should limit them as well.

Taking it away from Government and giving it all to a few Private Interests isn't better, it's worse. Private Interests aren't accountable to anyone or anything. At least Governments are, or are supposed to be and will be unless they get out of control. Private Interests aren't constrained by any such legalities. Just look at NAFTA and TPP and what they are doing there.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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This may help...not the best but a quick source to save me some typing.


Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.
Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.
Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.
Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods. www.dsausa.org...



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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That about sums up Bernie for me.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: neo96


Worried eh?

Sanders has a snows balls chance in becoming potus.

My beef is the idolatry of him.

Exactly by the same people who idolize the current guy in the oval office that whispered sweet nothing in to the masses ears, and fell for it hook,line, and sinker.


Wow trying to bury this thread with negative opinion, that is the type of thing the Dig patriots were famous for!

I never voted for your president, though I might give Bernie a vote. I really want see see who his running mate is before I decide, if he has a strong progressive running mate he will get my vote.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

A meme...


meme's are so informative and they never represent blatant propaganda.

Sheez!



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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Wow trying to bury this thread with negative opinion, that is the type of thing the Dig patriots were famous for!


Well dissent is patriotic.

After all:



Sanders is not above reproach.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: neo96

I love seeing two neo posts already; his quick and lame attack shows that the right is both worried about Bernie Sanders and his message of wage equality.

Go Bernie!


Worried eh?

Sanders has a snows balls chance in becoming potus.

My beef is the idolatry of him.

Exactly by the same people who idolize the current guy in the oval office that whispered sweet nothing in to the masses ears, and fell for it hook,line, and sinker.


Your post is amusing in a shake your head type of way. No, not the least bit worried.

Every day, Sanders chances of becoming potus grow. I know that scares those on the right a lot.

Idolatry? Nope, sounds like a little jealousy going on with you. Sanders is the real deal.

Idolize Obama? Not hardly. He's human has made mistakes, but has done a damn site better job than GWB.



posted on Jul, 23 2015 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Total BS sums it up for you. How quaint. I have one too.


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