Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Parts

originally posted by: ketsuko
I know someone who recently miscarried her second child. She was twelve weeks along when she went into labor. After a few hours, she gave birth to a live baby boy. They named him Sawyer and only had a few hours with him before the inevitable as twelve weeks is still too young for him to have had any real hope of survival.

Children like him are summarily executed every day in this country because they are an "inconvenience."

And people scream at the thought of restrictions set at 20 and 21 weeks ... What kind of people are we?

It's people and posts like this that really piss me off. You are either outright lying or you have false information that you did not fact check and are spouting it as truth.
She either miscarried, that is the fetus is dead and the body is expelling it. Or she went into premature labour, because the fetus is not viable and the body is expelling it.
There is no way, not in a million years did that fetus survive for 2 hours!!! Did she get a birth and death certificate ?

a reply to: LoopyLou

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. ~Winston Churchill

I just hope the doctor has body guards.

And still can't believe this isn't in the hoax bin or at the very least the gray area.

a reply to: windword

Embryonic stem cells can be gotten from placenta, amniotic fluid and from the organs of miscarried children with the consent of the parents. Even then they often grow way too fast, causing tumors, and eventual rejection. They do NOT have to come from aborted babies, or the products of IVF. And to use this in any sort of argument to rationalize murder is appalling.

Adult humans still have viable stem cells. There's rarely a rejection because the stem cells are harvested from the actual patient. All successful medical treatments that have come about because of stem cell research is from ADULT stem cells.

Even a perceived good in the end can never justify the means, which is the killing of an innocent human being.

The supposed advances in medicine due to embryonic stem cells and its' use as propaganda to justify abortion, is disgusting. It's a red herring. It's a all BS. You've been lied to.

Another movie is coming next week. This is not Going away and it is NOT a hoax.

a reply to: Ignatian

Most embryonic stem cells are derived from embryos that develop from eggsthat have been fertilized in vitro—in an in vitro fertilization clinic—and then donated for research purposes with informed consent of the donors. They are not derived from eggs fertilized in a woman's body.
stemcells.nih.gov...

The human placenta and cord blood are rich in hematopoietic progenitor and hematopoietic stem cells (HSCs), which give rise to all the blood cell types including myeloid (monocytes and macrophages, neutrophils, basophils, eosinophils, erythrocytes, megakaryocytes/platelets, and dendritic cells) and lymphoid lineage (T-cells, B-cells, and NK cells) cells.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Different kinds of stem cells.

Fetal stem cells are Pluripotent, meaning they can grow into any kind of human cell.

Totipotent cells can form all the cell types in a body, plus the extraembryonic, or placental, cells. Embryonic cells within the first couple of cell divisions after fertilization are the only cells that are totipotent. Pluripotent cells can give rise to all of the cell types that make up the body; embryonic stem cells are considered pluripotent. Multipotent cells can develop into more than one cell type, but are more limited than pluripotent cells; adult stem cells and cord blood stem cells are considered multipotent.
stemcell.ny.gov...

Amniotic fluid stem cells have more recently been isolated. They represent a novel class of pluripotent stem cells with intermediate characteristics between embryonic and adult stem cells
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: windword

It's beside the point, that's what a red herring is. The ends do not justify the means.

A civilized society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living. That's sick.

a reply to: Ignatian

It's beside the point, that's what a red herring is. The ends do not justify the means.

No, it's not besides the point! It is the point! You comment is the result of your ignorance of a very complicated subject. All stem cells aren't the same.

A civilized society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living.

Women aren't having abortions so that they can donate their fetuses to lengthen the life of the living. But, they are donating eggs and embryos for that purpose.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: windword

It's beside the point, that's what a red herring is. The ends do not justify the means.

A civilized society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living. That's sick.

Sorry, but you are not addressing the deception and hoax. What you are saying does not preclude that.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

No deception. No hoax.

They sell body parts, err tissue. That's illegal. A crime has been commited.

Wait til next week., I'm sure we'll talk again :-)

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: ~Lucidity

No deception. No hoax.

They sell body parts, err tissue. That's illegal. A crime has been commited.

Wait til next week., I'm sure we'll talk again :-)

It's no more illegal than when someone donates a kidney. There is a fee for the procurement of said kidney. No crime has been committed.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: ~Lucidity

No deception. No hoax.

They sell body parts, err tissue. That's illegal. A crime has been commited.

Wait til next week., I'm sure we'll talk again :-)

Oh hot damn - if you got something so juicy - why wait until next week.....Tell us all what big reveal will happen next week? I'm dying to know.

double post

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: windword

It's beside the point, that's what a red herring is. The ends do not justify the means.

A civilized society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living. That's sick.

You're 100% correct in your statement. A civilised society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living. As in yes this absolutely does not happen. So stop believing it does.
What's sick is that you use the visuals of murdering children and try to equate that to terminating a pregnancy.

originally posted by: LoopyLou

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: windword

It's beside the point, that's what a red herring is. The ends do not justify the means.

A civilized society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living. That's sick.

You're 100% correct in your statement. A civilised society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living. As in yes this absolutely does not happen. So stop believing it does.
What's sick is that you use the visuals of murdering children and try to equate that to terminating a pregnancy.

I have to say, it's not really the same thing. To call a 6 week fetus a "child" is a stretch in my mind.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: ~Lucidity

No deception. No hoax.

They sell body parts, err tissue. That's illegal. A crime has been commited.

Wait til next week., I'm sure we'll talk again :-)

Yeah. let's wait for that.

This thread should be in the HOAX section.

a reply to: Agartha

But, it's not. It's reality.

Abortion should be in the HOAX bin. Cuz you've all been lied to.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Can you show any evidence that there has been ANY medical advances due to using stem cells from aborted babies?

I know others have answered, and you've immediately moved the goalposts, but... With 2 seconds and bing...

(CNN)Fetal tissue has been used since the 1930s for vaccine development, and more recently to help advance stem cell research and treatments for degenerative diseases such as Parkinson's disease. Researchers typically take tissue samples from a fetus that has been aborted (under conditions permitted by law) and grow cells from the tissue in Petri dishes.
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One of the earliest advances with fetal tissue was to use fetal kidney cells to create the first poliovirus vaccines, which are now estimated to save 550,000 lives worldwide every year.
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Many of our other common vaccines, such as chicken pox, rubella and shingles, have been produced in tissue derived from fetuses, particularly two electively terminated pregnancies from the 1960s.

CNN

Claiming that stem cells can only be obtained from aborted babies is a red herring.

Fetal stem cells can ONLY come from fetuses.

There's another video coming next week.

Another Hoax? This should be fun!!!

originally posted by: Ignatian
A civilized society does not kill their children in a delusional attempt to lengthen the life of the living.

Didn't you just accuse someone of a "red herring"? LOL!

Yeah... People have abortions for several reasons, but they don't have abortions for the purpose of medical research.

I would like to believe that we can stop calling each other monsters and focus on the facts of the matter:

The core issue here is plain; at what point in natal development does a fertilized human egg become a human person?

The normal human gestational period is around 40 weeks from conception to birth. (Range is 37-42 weeks, can vary individually up to 5 weeks)

Based on the general idea that pregnancy lasts nine months, developmentally, three periods are recognized called trimesters: first (Conception to 13 weeks), second (13-27 weeks), and third (28th week - birth).

In general, the named stages of prenatal development are: fertilized egg (zygote), embryo, fetus.

The first two stages are generally called the embryonic period (up to week 10), and the third stage until birth is called the fetal period.

50% of pregnancies spontaneously abort during the embryonic period. Reasons for this vary.

As week 20 approaches, the fetus appears externally as a tiny human baby, (well-formed facial features, arms, legs, genitals, etc) even though the fetus is still only about 3 - 6 inches long and has no chance of survival outside of the body. Many of the photographs presented by anti-abortion advocates are taken during this period of development.

Viability describes a point in development at which a fetus has a chance of survival outside the mother's body usually between 24 and 28 weeks with considerable medical attention.


In the US, the point of viability (which was arbitrarily determined in Roe to be in the Third Trimester based on the state of medical treatment at the time) determines the ultimate limit on legal abortion.The "right to an abortion" was established in the SCOTUS decision Roe v. Wade which has been contentious from the beginning. Roe established the legal "trimester" system, (First trimester: totally a decision of the woman and her doctor; Second Trimester: individual States may regulate availability of abortion based on the "mother's life"; Third trimester: States may regulate based on the "infant's life") although that has been legally discarded in subsequent decisions

It should be noted, however, that the primary right of abortion in Roe was not based on the "woman's right to choose" but on the "physician's right to ply their trade."

Also, the specific statement was made in Roe that even after viability, a fetus is not a person under the meaning of the 14th Amendment.

Many States make late term abortions illegal EXCEPT in the cases of saving the life of the mother or when the fetus has "extreme defects."

If anyone would like to challenge these statements, please feel free to do so. I have used standard references which reflect commonly accepted medical and scientific fact.


Abortion a matter of the woman's choice (the fetus is a part of her body) versus the rights of a viable human that can live outside of a (mother's) human body ... EXCEPT in cases when the mother's life is threatened by continued pregnancy or the fetus has "extreme defects."

This is the ultimate crux of "the law of the land." Of course, every individual woman's beliefs are unique.

When is ending a pregnancy the choice of a woman as a right (to privacy, to the integrity of her own body) versus the State's rights of protecting a human life (that of the fetus/infant)?

That's the question we really have to answer. Leave the histrionics and name-calling aside.


REFERENCES

Gestation Period for Humans

Miscarriage

Prenatal Development

Source? CNN lol. Ill get back to you on this. CNN is PP's media wing.

The end does not justify the means. Period. That's not moving goalposts.

We're bouncing between subjects here anyway, everyone else does, and I'm also good at it too.
1. Is abortion wrong?
2. K, it happens, what's with the "waste"?
3. They sell it? Really? No, they don't!
4. No, no, it's used, they do research
5. Ya, well what research? Show me
6. No, no, bigger picture, abortion is wrong
7. No, no abortion is fine, lets stay on topic

Gotta love abortion threads.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic