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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 10:32 PM
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On July 4th, 1776, America declared independence from Britain. That was worth celebrating while we were still independent, but what exactly are we celebrating today?

On September 17th, 1787 (Paleo-Hebrew Feast of Trumpets) the Constitution convention illegally conspired to replace the Article of Confederation...and the first drafts did not even include a Bill of Rights. Thank God for a few good Anti-Federalists.

Then on the summer solstice of 1788, the Constitution was illegally ratified with a two-thirds vote, when the Articles of Confederation required a unanimous vote. Treason!

Then, on the winter solstice of 1913, America surrendered its remaining independence to the Federal Reserve. Again, treason!

What is everyone celebrating? What is everyone so proud of? We lost our independence in 1788 when we lost the Articles of Confederation. Since that day, our Federal government has been overstepping its boundaries inch by inch up to this point.

We are in dept with no hope of solvency, we continue to wage illegal wars at the expense of the tax payers, and every year we pay more taxes with less representation.

The last time a portion of the nation did try to legally declare independence, it ended in genocide. Today we call it the Civil War, and the MSM is trying to erase that from history.

What the hell are we celebrating?!?




posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

What the hell are we celebrating?!?

Pretty explosions in the sky, burnt hot dogs and getting drunk?

Most Americans have no idea what the hell you're even talking about. They celebrate because they feel socially compelled to celebrate. It's a cult, really. And this "holiday" is simply a part of their perpetual indoctrination propaganda.

I haven't asked a soul, of course (because I don't care), but for some reason everyone I've run into today has wanted to tell me all about their 4th plans...

...which invariably included a having a barbeque and getting s#faced.

That's what people are celebrating. The freedom to be a bunch of gluttons and drunks.

Happy 4th, everyone.


edit on 7/4/15 by NthOther because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Can't stop Shemita...



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

That's all nice, I just hate it when people look at you in terror and disgust when they find out you could care less about the 4th. Its just another pointless expense and a disruption of daily plans.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

That's all nice, I just hate it when people look at you in terror and disgust when they find out you could care less about the 4th. Its just another pointless expense and a disruption of daily plans.

That's the cult mentality. "He's not one of us."

It's been inculcated in us since early childhood. For example: fireworks, to me, are very similar to the Pledge of Allegiance in that they are designed specifically to brainwash children into having a sense of nationalism which can then be used to manipulate them.

Who gets excited about fireworks? I don't. But every kid I've ever met does. They look forward to the "national celebration". It gets them fired up about America. F# yeah!

Does that make sense? The Fourth of July is simply one part of the lifelong propaganda program they're running.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

What are we celebrating? How about our freedom from the British? (Please ignore that corporations "own" you). Or the Boston Tea Party (nevermind what your taxed now).

Light up them Chinese fireworks and celebrate!

Oh , oh, and drink lots of beer while waving your american flag (made in China).
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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:31 PM
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Crass commercialism. Everyone has the right to consume mass quantities, if you can afford it.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

How about a set of ideas that if enough of us don't forget them, we might one day step up and fight for them again when we've had enough of life without them?


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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I just wish more people would realize how vulnerable the Constitution made this nation. Maybe then we would have the capacity to enjoy true independence.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

God, I wish. The majority of Americans view of "fighting" is signing a random petition. It won't hit home until it's on their doorstep.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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I'm celebrating a day spent:
-moving a freezer
-working on installing a door in my home

that's about it, pretty much killed my day.

Other than that, what a joke.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Wtf! And what would you propose besides the constitution? What alternative can you give that would provide "true independence".



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: ghostrager

How about going back to the Articles of Confederation? The Federal government has too much power under the Constitution.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 12:20 AM
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Wow, according to you the United States of America never happened.

Talk about revisionist bull#.

May someone aim a bottle rocket up your nether regions while the rest of us eat apple pie.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest



What is everyone celebrating? What is everyone so proud of? We lost our independence in 1788 when we lost the Articles of Confederation. Since that day, our Federal government has been overstepping its boundaries inch by inch up to this point.

What are you on about? In a democracy, YOU are the federal government. If you don't like it, change it.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

No, USA did happened, it just surrendered its full potential very early on. And I'm not revising anything. This is the history they don't teach you in school.
edit on 5-7-2015 by BELIEVERpriest because: added point



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: Nevertheless
Democracy is the majority oppressing the minority. That is the evil that the Constitution introduced into our nation. USA was established as a Representative Republic, which is very different from Democracy.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Nevertheless
Democracy is the majority oppressing the minority. That is the evil that the Constitution introduced into our nation. USA was established as a Representative Republic, which is very different from Democracy.


I'd give my left nut to even have that much back-
these days, it's gone back to the age old ways of the rich oppressing the poor... and not just in this country, but in all of them.
We're born into systematic slavery, raised to think of nothing but money- because money as we know it is a scheme to move the wealth up the chain to those who control it.
Those of us lucky enough to have good jobs and smart enough to make good financial decisions get to see about half of their own financial potential- the rest goes up the chain to those who run things.
Those of us who are not that lucky, or who make poor financial decisions (car payments, cc debt, etc) see far less than half.

Workin' for the man, every night and day.

It sure would be nice to have some freedom in life.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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Was relieved to see this post as this topic was on my mind all day as I sat in my room and heard continuous fireworks all day long. People seem to not understand that there's nothing to celebrate anymore. The country that used to be the U.S. is so far beyond saving, I hear Hospice is coming by.

@NthOTher: You have it spot on though. People just don't care if it's an excuse to blow # up, party and pretend like everything is ok.

As a side note, along with all the other reasons that the 4th is a hollow holiday now, just once I'd like to see the general public blink their eyes with understanding of the MEGA amounts of truly toxic smoke that comes from fireworks and realize that secondhand smoke from cigarettes is the silliest thing in the world to complain about.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: gottaknow

I'm glad to hear I'm not alone. When it comes to "patriotism" and politics, I tend to be the black sheep of my family. It's like ritual takes precedence over logic these days.




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