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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: beezzer
Plus back in our day going viral was something to be avoided .Now a group is able to take a short clip of something or someone and through social media go around the world where every one is dancing Gangnam Style and on Leterman .The same things were going on way back but the volume is much louder .
originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
I've always felt like my particular age group was something wedged in the transitional period between Gen Xers and millennials. I also always thought my parents generation was baby boomers but I think they are actually Xers and My birth year is the introductory year into millennials, now my younger brother millennial through and through.
Had a pager at 16
first in my neighborhood to have a cell phone and envious of all the cool tech that the generations below me take for granted.
I remember watching Channel 1 news in home room middle school and I remember a piece including a brief interview with Al Gore about the Information super highway, the internet or the world wide web.
This concept excited me as I have always been inquisitive and loved to read and learn. I told my parents about this great new technology but was dismissed as I was a child who cared about my opinion. Eventually Pops came around and signed up for internet, that man who brushed me off about something I had the foresight to see what was going to be historic and game changing as a child now spends the majority of his time connected to a computer off time or at work behind the computer if not watching football or cooking.
I've heard this but I don't think it's at all accurate. I feel I've had a pretty good education so far and I know people who can't really say "they won" because they didn't make the grade, were lazy, asleep in classes in h.s. etc.
Like what?
But then again didn't you point out that the problem today is that my generation has grown up believing that everyone can win? Perhaps everyone actually can in some way which is less than total victory / total domination?
Why shouldn't we be treated as equal? Everyone should have equal opportunity to succeed and equal responsibility to contribute positively to society.
I don't see what you mean here... No one wants to be passed on at the bottom of their class (it just gets harder for them the next year) or get a 3rd place trophy for that matter.
I think you exaggerate a bit.
Marriage is what it is. It's a legal term. Why would you have a problem with it?
Would you want a separate term for, "property", "liability", "will", "estate" or other legal terms just because someone happened to be LGBT too?
originally posted by: fltcui
a reply to: JadeStar
I am older than most on here >60 and yes I have seen a huge amount of change in my lifetime. Our generation was the one that actually took on the government over the Vietnam War and won and It cost the lives of 4 students at Kent State but most of you young whippersnappers don't know that.
What has your generation done to take on the government to try and stop some of the untoward things they're doing?
I personally don't care what someone does in private as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. This country is going downhill fast and probably won't be around when you're my age.
We have a President that continues to piss off our allies,
we have a do nothing congress that only cares about collecting contributions so they can get re-elected
and a supreme court that has violated the constitution 3 times now in the last year.
Using this supreme court decision, does it now mean that polygamy is legal, does it now mean that a brother and sister can get married? Has anybody figured these things out?
Nobody is looking at the long term effects of this decision.
God help us all.....
originally posted by: Nyiah
Rigidity, Jade. Not so much age as rigidity. Inflexible, set-in-stone, refusing to think outside their safety box rigidity. This is an attribute most people say must die off before any good can flow, yet, it's riddance is resisted. Go figure.
Hear their battle cry:
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Nyiah
Give us a reason for change beyond, "You're old and your ideas are old, and anything old is bad. So CHANGE!" And we might be more willing to entertain it.
So far, much of the recent changes have been couched in terms of "I don't want to be mean. How could you be mean?"
originally posted by: Shugo
a reply to: fltcui
I will answer that for you, as I think I'm probably in the generation group that you're speaking of: nothing.
In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, people held the government responsible. Things weren't always hunky dory, but when things went bad, people had no problems calling the government out. There were children standing in front of tanks at churches, fighting national guardsmen, and walking down the streets of Washington, yelling and screaming until something was done.
Now? We sign petitions. And yell and scream about it on social media. There's no grit to what today's generation does on issues that matter. There's no outcry for economic reform, there's no cry for foreign policy, there's not even civilized and constructive organization for DOMESTIC policy. (I'm looking at you rioters - of both the ignorant sports variety, and Ferguson et al).
originally posted by: WizardVanWizard
Haven't pretty much all people thought these things of the generations that preceded/followed them, since forever?
I'm seeing the same contentions from both sides on here that I've seen on countless T.V. shows over the years haha.
Besides, the slimiest of people from all generations are the ones who end up in high places...that has been so for a long time, and I can't see it changing anytime soon.
Unless maybe we work together and utilize the best attributes of the younger and the older, since both bring unique things to the table.
originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: JadeStar
(sometimes annoying the clubs traditional patrons prompting such clubs to post signs outside reminding everyone that the club primarily caters to the LGBTQ community)
Scenario : Gay night club owner posts that sign.
Straight club owner posts the same reminder, only pointing out their club is for straight people.
Who gets shut down and sued, with protests outside every day?
How is one a reminder and the other discrimination?
originally posted by: LoveSolMoonDeath
a reply to: JadeStar
Fear.
Getting older also means having more fears. Visit your grandparents and observe: the way they arrange stuff, the hours to do this perculiar thing etc... They won't transgress because of their fear of change. Somehow their capacity to adapt gets thinner. It's a natural process. And yes it's setting in slowly, with aging. And what goes hand in hand with fear? Control. They do not loose anything if somebody else gets married, except control on THEIR institution/THEIR society.
I remember my grandpa some 40 years ago, a truly great man make no mistake, who refuse to watch football because he though: those big guys, who jumped so easily on each others, must be all gays
originally posted by: EKron
Whoa! I need help. I've been a member here for eight years but only very recently started posting.
I've written what appears to be a small novel and I'm not quite done yet. It's epic!
What happens with long posts? Do they split automatically if they are too long? Do I get a warning when I hit the limit? Can someone help an old noob, please?
Thanks.
►eKay◄
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Oh the young ones today with their 'beat' music (sounds like noise to me). Their short skirts and hot rod racing wasn't like that for the past generation... Oh hold on.
The dail Mail newspaper in the UK a very conservative readership seem,s to hate young people and all they do. They hate the sight I of young people having a good time. They took a fantastic music festival like Glastonbury and made it look like a crack den in a field, when instead it's a festival for young carefree people The daily mail was concerned with this new generation consuming "hippie crack" from balloons. Basically laughing gas in party balloons. You can just imagine all the old readers shaking their fist at the screen. "Bloody kids, should be at work. If you can't be carefree when your young when exactly can you be
If your a smart kid, you see the adult game and see there is no real reward to be gotten. Money doesn't make people happy so why spend a life time in pursuit of it only to retire when your best days are gone.
originally posted by: okrian
Nice post. Everything except the part where you called Against Me! a punk band.
Ok, seriously then… what is going to be difficult to assess is that the responses you are getting are singular, emotional, defensive, and likely a generally individual white male response (as opposed to broad spectrum). I mean, I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised.
Anyway, I've got to think about this and get back. But nice post. Social evolution is by far one of the more interesting topics.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Nyiah
Give us a reason for change beyond, "You're old and your ideas are old, and anything old is bad. So CHANGE!" And we might be more willing to entertain it. So far, much of the recent changes have been couched in terms of "I don't want to be mean. How could you be mean?"
I left those arguments behind on the playground along with the cooties.
If you need to have it explained that equality in all things legal for the rest of us is the right thing to do for others, you're pretty damn hopeless as it is. You might as well just say "I want to be a selfish ass, because I can and there's no personal gain in it for me to include people in equal rights".
Equal how? THerein lies the rub.
To enforce equal outcomes means to take away individual liberty.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: JadeStar
I love posts like this! It shows how intelligent and thoughtful some of today's millennials are, but I'm going to say that you're generally barking up the wrong tree. It's not age that is the factor so much as fear, politics, religion, and closed-mindedness in general. Age really has little to do with it, other than more older people tend to be fearful, anti-progress, religious and set in their ways.
But as we read the pages of ATS, we can see that there are plenty of younger people who are also fearful, resistant to change, religious and closed-minded.
I am a baby boomer and I have many friends and family who are also baby boomers. We're all celebrating, though most of us are fairly straight.
I must admit, I am highly embarrassed by some of the things my fellow boomers say and think (many in this thread) but I'll bet you've been embarrassed by some of the crazy things your fellow millennials say and think, too. So, I don't think it's about age, so much as the other factors.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: ketsuko
Equal how? THerein lies the rub.
There is no "rub". Equal means equal treatment under the law. Not "equal outcomes", not "equal without differences", not "equality land". But treated with equal protection under the law of the land, as the US Constitution guarantees.
That doesn't take away ANYONE'S individual liberty. Denying a group of people equal protection of the law is taking away their individual liberties.
originally posted by: Hidinout
I'm 63 and my husband is 67 and we are both happy for Gay people being able to marry, it's about time.
They have every right to be just as miserable as straight people do. It's an old joke incase some of the youngsters never heard it before.
I'm not so much embarrassed about some of things I've read on this forum as astounded. Bigotry and closed mindedness certainly are multigenerational.
originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: JadeStar
I don't want to be ageist
Yet you open your thread with a sarcastic "Get Off My Lawn" image? The pinnacle of the "old person" stereotype.
Oh, I see. It was just a tongue-in-cheek reference. You weren't being hypocritical
( prompting such clubs to post signs outside reminding everyone that the club primarily caters to the LGBTQ community)
You complain about exclusionary behavior, then cite a LGBQT club that is engaging in exclusionary behavior.
Most of the people who are uncomfortable with the changes that have taken place tend to be over 50?
I've seen this first hand in some recent threads on ATS. I wonder however, if it's all a matter of generational perspective?
Yes, it is absolutely a matter of generational perspective.
For the record, your conclusions regarding "old people" not "getting it", while young people do, in fact, "get it" probably go back to Plato.
originally posted by: Hidinout
a reply to: ColeYounger
this golden nugget:
"Yea, people over 50 are uncomfortable with change. I wonder what would happen if omnipresent WiFi, Facebook, and Twitter were suddenly taken away from this incredibly adaptable, change-embracing younger generation. I'd bet we may witness some discomfort. "
I would seriously like to see some major power failures that would make access to all the above unavailable and see who can adapt the best.
And I apologize I don't mean to start a turf war, old versus young, but sometimes us old folks don't like it being suggested we are old fogies that don't know what's going on or are afraid of new things. Dag nabit
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: JadeStar
I've seen this first hand in some recent threads on ATS. I wonder however, if it's all a matter of generational perspective? Most of the people who are uncomfortable with the changes that have taken place tend to be over 50?
I think it's not that easy to divide this up between old and young. It's more between now and then - if you see what I mean
A lot has changed - and changed so incredibly fast that I think some younger people aren't really capable of understanding the way things were because it was not a part of their experience
There were plenty of people that accepted and supported gay people - decades ago. My dad was one of those people. But in many ways, society forced those people into a kind of closet just the same as gays were forced to live their lives in hiding. It wasn't as easy to speak your mind - not at all like it is today
The older people that are having a hard time coming to terms with all this now are no different than the young people that hold similar beliefs. It's not their age - it's the way they think
If you really want to have a real discussion about this, you should realize when society began to make most of it's biggest changes. Civil rights, feminism, gay pride - gender politics of all sorts - environmentalism, sex, drugs and rock and roll...
Those people were at the forefront of all of this. So many were incredibly political - activists of every kind, even if only by choosing to live a lifestyle most would call unacceptable. Or worse. Many of those people suffered - some horribly. All at a time when it was definitely not easy to do so
Never forget those people. They were boomers - and they made what's happening now possible