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posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 03:45 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: devilmoon

And you make yourself look ridiculous when you portray a man who has wielded absolute executive power for twelve years contrary to his own nation's constitution as anything but a dictator.



Is there supposedly meant to be a difference between a single man ruling Russia for a decade, and the few men and women acting as puppets and agents, or what we commonly refer to as politicians, for the globalist corporations that have seized control of democracies throughout the western world?




posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: devilmoon

And you make yourself look ridiculous when you portray a man who has wielded absolute executive power for twelve years contrary to his own nation's constitution as anything but a dictator.



Is there supposedly meant to be a difference between a single man ruling Russia for a decade, and the few men and women acting as puppets and agents, or what we commonly refer to as politicians, for the globalist corporations that have seized control of democracies throughout the western world?


In case you haven't noticed, there are differing opinions between national governments and differences of opinion within those governments. You don't see that in Russia, do you?



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Not for long.. the people Putin murdered to keep his rise to power secret and his false flags to invade Chechnya are evidence of that.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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time to infuse a little truth into this whole situation. the anti-russian robots have been directing the way this conversation goes long enough.

I am going to give you an article wrote by an expert on the inner working of everything that washington d.c. has done, plans to do and agenda for why. if your credentials as an expert exceeds this mans understanding and contacts in the american government, then you need to post them and show us who you are and how you know so much more. if not, then there is no need responding to my truth. you will be treated as someone just trying to obfuscate the truth. this man is not afraid to say what is going on and prove who he is.

first off, who am i talking about?

Paul Craig Roberts. lets take a look at his credentials and what you will need to have access to, to prove you know more than him.

From 1975 to 1978, Roberts served on the congressional staff. As economic counsel to Congressman Jack Kemp,[6] he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill (which became the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981). He played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.[5] Due to his influential 1978 article on tax burden for Harper's,[7] while economic counsel to Senator Orrin Hatch,[8] the Wall Street Journal editor Robert L. Bartley offered him an editorial slot. He wrote for the WSJ until 1980.[9] He was a senior fellow in political economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, then part of Georgetown University.[6]

From early 1981 to January 1982, Roberts served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. President Ronald Reagan and Treasury Secretary Donald Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, and he was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for "outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy."
en.wikipedia.org...

lets look at what he has to say on the ukraine-russia-usa situation shall we.

The United States has pursued empire since early in its history, but it was the Soviet collapse in 1991 that enabled Washington to see the entire world as its oyster.

The collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in the rise of the neoconservatives to power and influence in the US government. The neoconservatives have interpreted the Soviet collapse as History's choice of "American democratic capitalism" as the New World Order.

Chosen by History as the exceptional and indispensable country, Washington claims the right and the responsibility to impose its hegemony on the world. Neoconservatives regard their agenda to be too important to be constrained by domestic and international law or by the interests of other countries. Indeed, as the Unipower, Washington is required by the neoconservative doctrine to prevent the rise of other countries that could constrain American power.

Paul Wolfowitz, a leading neoconservative, penned the Wolfowitz Doctrine shortly after the Soviet collapse. This doctrine is the basis of US foreign and military policy.

The doctrine states:
"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power."
Notice that Washington's "first objective" is not peace, not prosperity, not human rights, not democracy, not justice. Washington's "first objective" is world hegemony. Only the very confident so blatantly reveal their agenda.

As a former member of the Cold War Committee on the Present Danger, I can explain what Wolfowitz's words mean. The "threat posed formerly by the Soviet Union" was the ability of the Soviet Union to block unilateral US action in some parts of the world. The Soviet Union was a constraint on US unilateral action, not everywhere but in some places. Any constraint on Washington is regarded as a threat.

A "hostile power" is a country with an independent foreign policy, such as the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa) have proclaimed. Iran, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, Cuba, and North Korea also proclaim an independent foreign policy.

This is too much independence for Washington to stomach. As Russian President Vladimir Putin recently stated, "Washington doesn't want partners. Washington wants vassals."

The Wolfowitz doctrine requires Washington to dispense with or overthrow governments that do not acquiesce to Washington's will. It is the "first objective."

The collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in Boris Yeltsin becoming president of a dismembered Russia. Washington became accustomed to Yeltsin's compliance and absorbed itself in its Middle Eastern wars, expecting Vladimir Putin to continue Russia's vassalage.

However at the 43rd Munich Conference on Security Policy, Putin said: "I consider that the unipolar model is not only unacceptable but also impossible in today's world."

Putin went on to say:
"We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law, and independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state's legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?"
When Putin issued this fundamental challenge to US unipower, Washington was preoccupied with its lack of success with its invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Mission was not accomplished.

By 2014 it had come to Washington's attention that while Washington was blowing up weddings, funerals, village elders, and children's soccer games in the Middle East, Russia had achieved independence from Washington's control and presented itself as a formidable challenge to Washington's uni-power. Putin blocked Obama's planned invasion of Syria and bombing of Iran. The unmistakable rise of Russia refocused Washington from the Middle East to Russia's vulnerabilities.

Ukraine, long a constituent part of Russia and subsequently the Soviet Union, was split off from Russia in the wake of the Soviet collapse by Washington's maneuvering. In 2004 Washington had tried to capture Ukraine in the Orange Revolution, which failed to deliver Ukraine into Washington's hands. Consequently, according to neocon Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, Washington spent $5 billion over the following decade developing Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that could be called into the streets of Kiev and in developing Ukrainian political leaders willing to represent Washington's interests.

Washington launched its coup in February 2014 with orchestrated demonstrations that, with the addition of violence, resulted in the overthrow and flight of the elected democratic government of Victor Yanukovych. In other words, Washington destroyed democracy in a new country with a coup before democracy could take root.

http:// www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/19/paul-craig-roberts-address-international-conference-europeanrussian-crisis-created-washington/



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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ohh, but im not done. the article goes on to say.

Ukrainian democracy meant nothing to Washington. Washington was intent on seizing Ukraine in order to present Russia with a security problem and also to justify sanctions against “Russian aggression” in order to break up Russia’s growing economic and political relationships with Europe. Washington feared that these relationships could undermine Washington’s hold on Europe.

Sanctions are contrary to Europe’s interests. Nevertheless European governments accommodated Washington’s agenda. The reason was explained to me several decades ago by my Ph.D. dissertation committee chairman who became Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. I had the opportunity to ask him how Washington managed to have foreign governments act in Washington’s interest rather than in the interest of their own countries. He said, “money.” I said, “you mean foreign aid?” He said, “no, we give the politicians bags full of money. They belong to us. They answer to us.”

Recently, the German journalist Udo Ulfkotte wrote a book, Bought Journalists, in which he reported that every significant European journalist functions as a CIA asset.

This does not surprise me. The same is the situation in the US.

As Europe is an appendage of Washington, a collection of vassal states, Europe enables Washington’s pursuit of hegemony even to the extent of being driven into conflict with Russia over a “crisis” that is entirely a propaganda creation of Washington’s.

The media disguises the reality. During the Clinton regime, six mega-media companies were permitted to acquire 90% of the US print, TV, radio, and entertainment media, a concentration that destroyed diversity and independence. Today the media throughout the Western world serves as a Propaganda Ministry for Washington. The Western media is Washington’s Ministry of Truth. Gerald Celente, the trends forecaster, calls the Western media “presstitutes,” a combination of press prostitutes.

In the US Putin and Russia are demonized around the clock. Every broadcast alerts us to “the Russian threat.” Even Putin’s facial expressions are psychologically analyzed. Putin is the New Hitler. Putin has ambitions to recreate the Soviet empire. Putin invaded Ukraine. Putin is going to invade the Baltic states and Poland. Putin is a threat on the level of ebola and the Islamic State. US Russian experts, such as Stephen Cohen, who state the facts are dismissed as “Putin apologists.” Any and every one who takes exception to the anti-Putin, anti-Russian propaganda is branded a “Putin apologist,” just as 9/11 skeptics are dismissed as “conspiracy theorists.” In the Western world, the few truth-tellers are demonized along with Putin and Russia.

The world should take note that today, right now, Truth is the most unwelcome presence in the Western world. No one wants to hear it in Washington, London, Tokyo, or in any of the political capitals of Washington’s empire.

The majority of the American population has fallen for the anti-Russian propaganda, just as they fell for “Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction,” “Assad’s use of chemical weapons against his own people,” Iranian nukes,” the endless lies about Gaddafi, 9/11, shoe bombers, underwear bombers, shampoo and bottled water bombers. There is always a new lie to keep the fear factor working for Washington’s endless wars and police state measures that enrich the rich and impoverish the poor.

The gullibility of the public has enabled Washington to establish the foundation for a new Cold War or for a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia. Some neoconservatives prefer the latter. They believe nuclear war can be won, and they ask, “What is the purpose of nuclear weapons if they cannot be used?”

China is the other rising power that the Wolfowitz Doctrine requires to be constrained. Washington’s “pivot to Asia” creates new naval and air bases to control China and perpetuate Washington’s hegemony in the South China Sea.

We come to the bottom line. Washington’s position is not negotiable. Washington has no interest in compromising with Russia or China. Washington has no interest in any facts. Washington’s deal is this: “You can be part of our world order as our vassals, but not otherwise.”

European governments and, of course, the lapdog UK government, are complicit in this implicit declaration of war against Russia and China. If it comes to war, Europeans will pay the ultimate price for the treason of their leaders, such as Merkel, Cameron, and Hollande, as Europe will cease to exist.

War with Russia and China is beyond Washington’s capability. However, if the demonized “enemy” does not succumb to the pressure and accept Washington’s leadership, war can be inevitable. Washington has launched an attack. How does Washington back off? Don’t expect any American regime to say, “we made a mistake. Let’s work this out.” Every one of the announced candidates for the American presidency is committed to American hegemony and war.

Washington believes Russia can be isolated from the West and that this isolation will motivate those secularized and westernized elements in Russia, who desire to be part of the West, into more active opposition against Putin. The Saker calls these Russians “Atlanticist integrationists.”

After two decades of Russia being infiltrated by Washington’s NGO Fifth Columns, the Russian government has finally taken action to regulate the hundreds of Western-financed NGOs inside Russia that comprise Washington’ subversion of the Russian government. However, Washington still hopes to use sanctions to cause enough disruption of economic life within Russia to be able to send protesters into the streets. Regime change, as in Ukraine, is one of Washington’s tools. In China the US organized the Hong Kong “student” riots, which Washington hopes will spread into China, and Washington supports the independence of the Muslim population in the Chinese province that borders Kazakhstan.

The problem with a government in the control of an ideology is that ideology and not reason drives the action of the government. As the majority of Western populations lack the interest to search for independent explanations, the populations impose no constraint on governments.
To understand Washington, go online and read the neoconservative documents and position papers. You will see an agenda unconstrained by law, by morality, by compassion, by common sense. You will see an agenda of evil.

Who is Obama’s Assistant Secretary of State for the Ukrainian part of the world? It is the neoconservative Victoria Nuland who organized the Ukrainian coup, who put in office the new puppet government, who is married to the even more extreme neoconservative, Robert Kagan.

Who is Obama’s National Security advisor? It is Susan Rice, a neoconservative.

Who is Obama’s Ambassador to the UN? It is Samantha Power, a neoconservative.

Now we turn to material interests. The neoconservative agenda of world hegemony serves the powerful military/security complex whose one trillion dollar annual budget depends on war, hot or cold.

The agenda of American hegemony serves the interests of Wall Street and the mega-banks. As Washington’s power and influence spreads, so does American financial imperialism. So does the reach of American oil companies and American agribusiness corporations such as Monsanto.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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and there is more. this is from the robots own mouthpiece and puppet and i am completely shocked and flabbergasted this has not seen the light of day on ats yet. wonder why?

www.washingtonsblog.com... 06/ukraines-pres-poroshenko-says-overthrow-of-yanukovych-was-a-coup.html

this isnt just some guy spouting off in a blog. this is news being reported everywhere but in the western media. this has been brought to the ukrainian courts. this is going to parliament. this is the president of the country saying he was elected illegally. what the .... you say!

lets take a look.



Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko requests the supreme court of Ukraine to declare that his predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown by an illegal operation; in other words, that the post-Yanukovych government, including Poroshenko’s own Presidency, came into power from a coup, not from something democratic, not from any authentic constitutional process at all.

In a remarkable document, which is not posted at the English version of the website of the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, but which is widely reported outside the United States, including Russia, Poroshenko, in Ukrainian (not in English), has petitioned the Constitutional Court of Ukraine (as it is being widely quoted in English):

“I ask the court to acknowledge that the law ‘on the removal of the presidential title from Viktor Yanukovych’ as unconstitutional.”

The official Ukrainian news-agency, Interfax-Ukraine, headlined this on June 20th, “Poroshenko asking Constitutional Court to recognize law stripping Yanukovych of presidential title as unconstitutional”


is he speaking out because he is scared of the same happening to him? it appears so, according to reports the ukraine nazi right is not happy and is planning a government takeover for july 3rd. google it, you should find it.

also,



This was when Ashton first learned that the myth that Yanukovych had been overthrown as a result of public outrage at his having rejected the EU’s offer of membership to Ukraine was just a hoax. (Actually, the planning for this coup was already under way in the U.S. Embassy by at least early 2013, well prior to Yanukovych’s EU decision. Furthermore, the Ukrainian public’s approval of the government peaked right after Yanukovych announced his rejection of the EU’s offer, but then the U.S.-engineered “Maidan” riots caused that approval to plunge.)

If the Court grants Poroshenko’s petition, then the appointment of Arseniy Yatsenyuk by the U.S. State Department’s Victoria Nuland on 4 February 2014, which was confirmed by the Ukrainian parliament (or Rada) at the end of the coup on February 26th, and the other appointments which were made, including that of Oleksandr Turchynov to fill in for Yanukovych as caretaker President until one of the junta’s chosen candidates would be ‘elected’ on May 25th of 2014, which ‘election’ Poroshenko won — all of this was illegal.

edit on 06/02/2010 by letscit because: spelling fix



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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Here is an interesting article discussing your one Paul Craig Roberts...

traderdannorcini.blogspot.com...

Also know he has shown his anti american side many times before...funny he doesn't have a problem with what Putin has done.

Just a few of his headlines...


Vladimir Putin Is The Leader Of the Moral World — Paul Craig Roberts



Putin has been very patient with the deaf, dumb, and blind West



Putin Predicted Washington Would Employ Assassination Tactic Against Russia — Paul Craig Roberts


You should pay close attention to his sources and most of them are pro RUssian sites, so he enjoys parroting anti american rhetoric whenever possible.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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i am not done. why is the ukranians own defense ministers assistant leaving kiev to help the rebels of donbass? you havent heard of this? now you will!



A onetime aide to the Ukrainian defense minister has defected to the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, taking along his entire family and a wealth of classified information, Russian media reported Monday.

Read more: sputniknews.com...





posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

are you calling a former member of our treasury a traitor? can you bring him up on charges of treason? can you prove you are more qualified to speak on any of this issues.
you know, if your an american and you tell the american public lies to trick their kids into dying in an illegal war, YOU CAN VERY WELL BE TRIED FOR TREASON!

unless of course your just a computer. then they just shut your power button off.
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edit on 06/02/2010 by letscit because: fixed sentence



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:27 PM
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www.washingtonsblog.com.


Ah yes the favorite blog of the pro Russian crowd...



this isnt just some guy spouting off in a blog.


Yes it is.



this is the president of the country saying he was elected illegally. what the .... you say!


No it isn't.

Had you done a bit of research you would find the reason he is asking them to keep the title for Yanukovych is because the new law would keep him from getting the benefits that former heads of state receive.


The move deprives Yanukovych of all the benefits enjoyed by former heads of state.



Lawmakers said Yanukovych must be stripped of his title because he relieved himself of duties as president "in an unconstitutional way" that threatened the country's territorial integrity and sovereignty and led to "mass violations of the rights and freedoms of citizens."


www.worldaffairsjournal.org...

So Poroshenko never admitted to what your source says he said. Why is that not surprising?



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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a little more you say.

rt.com...

i realize some haters on these type of threads dont like this source, but to my knowledge they have not been banned by ats for constantly reporting hoaxes. so until that time comes and people stop using them for the other talking points on this site, i would say they seem pretty darn accurate.



Ramzan Kadyrov has told reporters that the murder of Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov could have been masterminded by US and Ukrainian special services, with the help of Chechen terrorists.

“I hold that the traces of this crime should be looked for not in Chechnya but in Ukraine’s State Security Service and further in the United States,” Interfax news agency quoted Kadyrov as saying Thursday.

The Chechen leader also said that there were many preconditions, hinting at the possibility that Nemtsov’s murder could have been organized by Adam Osmayev, an ethnic Chechen who was heading one of the volunteer units fighting on the side of pro-Kiev forces in the military conflict in southeast Ukraine. Kadyrov added: “Osmayev has been working for Western special services and he knows very well how to get rid of a person who causes problems.”

“The organizers of the murder used Nemtsov for their own purposes and then killed him, and now they are seeking to shift the blame on somebody,” Kadyrov explained.

The Chechen leader also told reporters that his own murder was ordered by Adam Osmayev’s father Aslambek Osmayev back in 2004.

Kadyrov categorically ruled out that he himself or any of his subordinates had been involved in Boris Nemtsov’s assassination. “There are claims that I have once said that Nemtsov must be killed. But this is not true! Why would we kill him? What had he done to us? Was he causing us any obstructions? He even did not visit us for a long period of time – I last saw him in Gudermes [the Chechen town] 14 years ago.”

Kadyrov also said that he knew nothing about the investigation of Nemtsov’s murder except for the information provided by relatives of the suspects and their lawyers.


interesting developments



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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are you calling a former member of our treasury a traitor?


Did I say traitor...No.

Anti American rhetoric...Yes.

There is a difference.



you know, if your an american and you tell the american public lies to trick their kids into dying, YOU CAN VERY WELL BE TRIED FOR TREASON!


No you can't.

Here you go the US law on Treason...

www.encyclopedia.com...

And nothing to do with tricking your kids into dying...that's murder not Treason.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:39 PM
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the documents are on the blog, click the link.

thanks for attacking and trying to push what i have provided deep into submission.

the credentials you have provided on your expertise and how you are so much more informed than someone who has actually served inside the government is a little disappointing to say the least.

ohh, you didnt provide any. so your just another arm chair quarterback rooting on his team no matter what.

so this will be my last reply to you or your friends, ever. but i will continue to keep posting facts.
peace to you sir.

and if anyone has the time or desire to make a new thread detailing all the new information i have provided. knock yourself out.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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rt.com...


Pulling out all the propaganda I see...good job.



i realize some haters on these type of threads dont like this source, but to my knowledge they have not been banned by ats for constantly reporting hoaxes.


Well you surely aren't helping in the credibility of RT, but thanks for admitting they have constantly reported hoaxes.

Why wouldn't Putins little lap dog say that...he has everything because of Putin.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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if anyone wants something other than a blog reporting this, i did a little legwork for you. the rest others can do.
as i said, this will not be found in western publications. but of course us westerners dont rule the world. just our leaders think we do.

macedoniaonline.eu...



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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the documents are on the blog, click the link.


A blog that is well known for propaganda, and as I have shown what he says it is for it isn't.

And because it is on that blog that makes it true?

So exactly which link is it that shows proof that Poroshenko said that, because none of them are sourcing anything to back the claim?



thanks for attacking and trying to push what i have provided deep into submission.


Thanks for reporting something that is not what your passing it off as, but it's fun watching you do it.




the credentials you have provided on your expertise and how you are so much more informed than someone who has actually served inside the government is a little disappointing to say the least.


Where did I ever provide you anything concerning my credentials...for one it is none of your business what my credentials are as I am not the topic of this conversation.

So just because someone worked in the government doesn't mean he can't be wrong...look at Obama.



ohh, you didnt provide any. so your just another arm chair quarterback rooting on his team no matter what.


Well sources do have a way of showing what your posting is actually something other than just your words...and ATS seems to like a source posted when using outside quotes.



so this will be my last reply to you or your friends, ever. but i will continue to keep posting facts.
peace to you sir.


Don't like your sources challenged...gotcha.



and if anyone has the time or desire to make a new thread detailing all the new information i have provided. knock yourself out.


Why not you if you feel so good about what your posting?



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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macedoniaonline.eu...


SO with nothing to source this info too we are just supposed to believe what that article says?




posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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en.interfax.com.ua..." target="_blank" class="postlink">en.interfax.com.ua...



"Since the law, whose constitutionality is challenged, does not have a regulative nature, having passed it, the Verkhovna Rada acted contrary to the norms of the Constitution of Ukraine, which means that this contradicts Part 2 of Article 19 of the Constitution, which obliges the parliament to act within the powers and in the manner provided by the Constitution of Ukraine. In this connection, I request recognizing the law of Ukraine on depriving Viktor Yanukovych of the title of the president of Ukraine dated February 4, 2015, as such which does not meet the Constitution of Ukraine, that is unconstitutional," the president's query reads.



posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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rinf.com...



There was plenty of reason for Crimeans to be terribly afraid. On the night of 20-21 February 2014, there was “The Pogrum of Korsun” in which, as the Ukrainian Human Rights Organization itself documented, a Ukrainian nazi gang (specifically, of Right Sector thugs) that had been involved in the Maidan violence to overthrow Yanukovych, attacked a busload of Crimeans who were fleeing from Kiev back to Crimea, brutally beating the occupants and burning the bus.


ukraine-human-rights.org...


In the night of 20 to 21 February 2014 activists of Euromaidan stopped buses near the town of Korsun-Schewtschenkowskiy, in which several hundred opponents of Euromaidan returned from Kiev to the Crimea. The armed men took over the buses and burned them down. To all people located therein (approximately 350 people), including women and young people, waited cruel beatings and harassment. The film “The crimes of the Nazis by the Ukrainian Euromaidan: The pogrom of Korsun.” documents this crime, in which several dozen people were killed. The documentation was made by the Ukrainian human rights organization IGCP (Information Group on Crimes against the person).





posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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en.interfax.com.ua..." target="_blank" class="postlink">en.interfax.com.ua...




What is it in that comment that you think backs the claim to Poroshenko admitting a coup happened? Or that he was elected illegally?

Here you might want to actually learn exactly what is happening and not what some blog tells you what is happening.


"Since the law whose constitutionality is being challenged is not of a regulatory character, the Verkhovna Rada passed it in contradiction to the provisions of the Constitution of Ukraine, which means that this contradicts Part 2 of Article 19 of the Constitution, which obliges the parliament to act within the powers and in the manner stipulated in the Constitution of Ukraine. In this connection, I request designating the law of Ukraine dated February 4, 2015, on depriving Viktor Yanukovych of the title of President of Ukraine as not complying with the Constitution of Ukraine and therefore unconstitutional," the president's request reads.

Poroshenko also stresses that in keeping with the Constitution of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada has no right to strip a person of the title of President of Ukraine, and therefore the Ukrainian parliament has exceeded its constitutional authority.

The document also said that the title of President of Ukraine is protected by law and retained for life, unless the president of Ukraine in question has undergone the procedure of impeachment.


www.unian.info...

Here let me explain it so that you understand.

Poroshenko is trying to be nice to a former president by allowing him to be called Mr. President even after he has left Ukraine, as they get certain benefits that some in the Ukrainian government don't feel he deserves.

It has nothing to do with Poroshenko admitting that he was elected illegally...because he wasn't and even Russia sees him and the Ukrainian government as the legallly elected government.

So now why would he say that?



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