I got a problem with women as they are.

First of all, if I look around my town, all I see is frumpy, overweight women with no make up and no interest into their appearance whatsoever. I don't know where OP lives but it must be Hollywood or something similar.

Secondly, adorning yourself is absolutely natural to attract mates. The women you are talking about are young things on a Saturday night, out for a pull. On weekdays they don't look like that.

I am a woman who has always dressed 'different'. Tastefully sexy/gothic, shall we say. I have been doing this NOT for men [don't flatter yourself] because I am happily married for almost 25 years. I am doing it for myself.

I love looking pretty, it makes me happy. If I was forced by some macho guy to wear sensible clothes or shoes, you might as well ask me to stop being myself. No man can tell me to look deliberately bland. I am not a bland person.

I don't know OP, but this thread smells of someone who is pi$$ed off that certain kinds of women ignore him, because HE is too boring.
Me thinks you want a naughty, slutty girl but you want them to behave and look like a Stepford wife, so nobody else wants her.

You have no authority to dictate how an adult female should dress. None of your business.

a reply to: Aboveway

Men are more attractive anyways. The jaw lines are so perfectly etched in bone. Plus, their relentless attitude and physical presence is almost enough to make one faint. They don't even need to "flash." The sexual organs are for more interesting to play and experiment with. Like an added bonus. Haha

a reply to: rbkruspe

And who's to say a man doesn't know how to cook for himself? We tend to have more important things on our minds than cooking food. Who's also to say another man can't be in the kitchen making him a sandwich while I plan courses of future action? Yes, 3. Sounds micheveous !

I once read somewhere, that a man being a man is enough to get a females attention, a women being a women is, but needs a little more to get the attention. Men are simple creatures, we have short attention spans, easily amused, easily satisfied, etc. If we see a female, and she's wearing baggy clothes, no make up, puts not effort into herself, we will notice, but if say a nice sports car pulls up their attention will most likely be drawn to the car.

Men like females that are confident now days, long gone are the days where the man pulls the weight for the family, working all day, making big decisions and dictating, while the woman sits at home, maybe works part time, fiddles with the house, fixes dinner, etc. Most guys now days like a women who can take care of herself, hold a steady job, make decisions for both of them, and in turn that means taking care of themselves. And I am sorry to say it, but women like to be attractive, and if they want to show a little skin, then so be it.

I love how you say you have zero chance, right there dude, you are wrong. No girl is out of any mans league, the guy simply needs to show the same interests, confidence in himself, and be willing to accept that not all girls are compatible with all guys.

a reply to: Aboveway

It really doesn't matter... your hormones will be up in a ruckus no matter what. I was in bed, in pain, not showered, no makeup, not even a brush through my hair, underneath a camouflage blanket...and hubby was ogling me yesterday..

I told him he couldn't see me because I was under the camo blanket.. and he said, "if arabs can see through burkas, then I can definitely see through camouflage.."

just saying, don't matter what we wear, don't matter what we put on... you all can see through it all, and still find us very attractive...

its hormones dude..

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Hormones win. In interesting ways.

originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
i fail to understand why women confident about their sexuality is a bad thing.

The OP's attitude is from that sector of men who feel "emasculated" by strong, intelligent, women who are comfortable expressing and owning their sexuality. So they attack those women, trying to put them back "in their place". I'm always amazed there are still men like this in existence.

a reply to: Aboveway

Only in your underwear?

Every empire has a decadent phase.

Looks like the US did not have roots solid enough to last more than a few centuries (like most). I have no problems with people who assume their sexuality, but some take this a bit too far IMHO

originally posted by: ExternalForces
a reply to: OpinionatedB

Hormones win. In interesting ways.

Makes life terribly easy when we want to be attractive doesn't it?

The rest is just for us!

a reply to: Aboveway

At some place the balance between males and females has gotten way out of hand. The equality thing, the feminist thing, The PC thing has gotten the upper hand and that hand is around the neck of men. There is no escape for men except to knuckle under to the increasingly ample display of female charms or turn asexual which will do necessitate further emboldenment from the more brazen of female displays.

That may seem like a bunch of wild statements, but I honestly believe that it is true. In my long years I have seen many changes in the general manner in which both sexes operate. In general, the embolden female sex is leading itself down a dangerous path. As with many creatures of all species, the female is given by nature to entice the male. In many species, the evolution of the degree and type of enticement has continually evolve to more flash and bang, slowly, but not with humans and their adaptive abilities.

To be fair, we must admit that in some species it is the male that develops special manners of attracting the female. But not so in humans--unless you want to count wealth as the tool. In everyday life in much of the world the females are the cunning aggressors, keeper of the velvet trap. The one really in charge, and they know it but won't admit it because it is their major weapon. The proof of this is found on TV a few hundreds thousands of times a day with cleavage and skirts that reveal more thigh than anyone could have imaged a few years ago. What man watching any of that is not only listening to her commentary, if she is intelligent and articulate, yet does not also have part of his mind wanting her to bend over a little more or be a little more careless in how she crosses her legs? No. Her stylish shoes are not that interesting to his needs. The playing field is not equal, always sex charged, and never will be equal as the bolder females find more of their bodies that they can exploit to our eyes and minds--all of which cloud our minds.

But the worst is yet to come. Actually, I think we are seeing it already. I think best exampled by young men that disdain human interaction for the most part and chose living with a computer and what it offers over genuine human relationships. Porn and action games take the place of two vital aspects (needs) of survival in a modern human. (Woman gravitate toward the social side.) The intimidation factor thrust upon an average modern Western male is incredibly severe as to be debilitating. All the more reason for the guy to hide behind an fantasy world depicted with dots on a screen. Females scare him!

Virtual Reality devices will be hugely popular and the primary tool that the disillusioned and frightening modern young man will use to escape from a reckless, cultural evolution that is not good for man or woman in the long run.

originally posted by: Aliensun
But the worst is yet to come. Actually, I think we are seeing it already. I think best exampled by young men that disdain human interaction for the most part and chose living with a computer and what it offers over genuine human relationships.

Honestly I have no problem if these shut-ins do not transmit their genes to the next generation.

I have no problem neither with gender equality and those who do always sound like bitter virgins who are angry women reject them for being creepy weirdos.

All normally adjusted people I know don't see any problem regarding how women behave toward them. These criticisms always seem to come from people on the autistic spectrum.

Actually your whole post reeks of generalization, misogyny and bitterness toward women in general. No surprise you believe then guys have no choice but to become asexual geeks. Please do not project over the rest of us.

edit: dear lord you are one of these types using "females" as a noun to decribe women. Are you on the RedPill too?

a reply to: Aliensun

So you're saying because a Man likes to draw or play games on the computer/console makes him scared of females? What if he has plenty of female friends? He must also love women because there is no lack of interest, especially with best friends. This doesn't make him required to be physically attracted to women? A Man is capable of showing emotions. They just have a harder time expressing it to other men in fear of retaltion. When in fact to the other man probably has similar emotions.

All normally adjusted people I know don't see any problem regarding how women behave toward them. These criticisms always seem to come from people on the autistic spectrum.

Actually your whole post reeks of generalization, misogyny and bitterness toward women in general. No surprise you believe then guys have no choice but to become asexual geeks. Please do not project over the rest of us.

edit: dear lord you are one of these types using "females" as a noun to decribe women. Are you on the RedPill too?

It is no sign of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Also would like to point out the irony of you pointing out the 'generalization' comment while throwing all autistic people under the bus. Your whole post reeks of generalization and hatred towards poorly adjusted, autistic men in general.

dear lord you're going to pass on your genes aren't you!? Please tell me you haven't already!

a reply to: corvuscorrax

ROASTEDD

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

It is no sign of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Nothing new under the sun. You'll eventually get it as you get older and your idealism gets crushed under thw heels of reality

Edit: not all autistic people, just the ones who seem strangely attracted to MRA ideas to rationalize their inability to bond with modern women. You notice I said redpillers sound autistic, not the opposite

a reply to: Aboveway

Oh, you poor widdle thing... quite the dilemma you have there. I know the cure, but it's a two-parter, and takes a little time. First, you need to find a wife. One who can and will make it clear to you that although you are not blind, she is not invisible. Yup. That will provide the first tweak to your... um... involuntary hormonal urgings. The way it works is very simple: Right now, you apparently look at every female as your own personal eye candy, with no thought -- much less respect -- to the very real person she is inside. Once you commit your heart, mind, body and soul to one real woman, the ogling of other men will become personal. But that' will be just the beginning of your awakening.

The next step is to have a teenage daughter. Once you see your little girl growing into a woman, and once you see how other men look at, leer at, and ogle your little girl (and she will always be your "little girl"), I guarantee you that you will never ever look at women -- no matter how hot! -- the same way again. Because at that point, on some level, every woman will be your little girl.

But let's get one thing very clear: This is all about men. Not women. It doesn't matter what women wear -- or don't wear -- there are men that will ogle and leer and generally act like a drooling pig. Women know this. We found out the hard way about the time we got our first training bra -- and it only gets worse with age/maturity. Women don't dress for men (sorry to burst your bubble). Men just want to think we do. At best, we dress for ourselves (I personally prefer the hippie/boho style). At worst, we dress for other women, the "competition" so to speak. You see, we already know that men are dogs and will go after any bitch in heat. We don't have to impress MEN.

But we can and will have a good laugh at your expense later

originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

It is no sign of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Nothing new under the sun. You'll eventually get it as you get older and your idealism gets crushed under thw heels of reality

Edit: not all autistic people, just the ones who seem strangely attracted to MRA ideas to rationalize their inability to bond with modern women. You notice I said redpillers sound autistic, not the opposite

If 'getting older' means playing party to(or passively accepting) all the terrible things about life then yeah you can call me peter pan.

Also implying that sill is a generalization of autistic folks, and frankly insulting as someone who was placed on the spectrum.

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
If 'getting older' means playing party to(or passively accepting) all the terrible things about life then yeah you can call me peter pan.

Sorry it's not what it means. Part of it is realizing society is actually for the most part better than it has always been and that it is actually more just and less #ty unless you are an orphan from Darfur.

No it's not a generalization of autists. It's a generalization of redpillers. Sorry ou got triggered by one or both of these terms.

Yes I strongly dislike MRA types, they are an unwanted remnant of the past like religious fundamentalists

For the future saying 'sorry you(reason)' is no apology at all.

But sorry you clearly don't understand how you generalized and then backpedaled and made excuses and justifications.
See how that works?