Making a (Red) List and Checking it Twice - Is This What Jade Helm is Really About?

a reply to: texasgirl

I did a quick google search of the two terms as acronyms.

Japanese American Doll Enthusiasts Health and Environment Laboratory Modules.

They're studying Japanese Americans who collect dolls and the effect that has on their health and environment.

Boom. You're all welcome.

a reply to: Shamrock6


Let me help you out:

modernsurvivalblog.com...

Scroll down past the Jade Helm patch and click on the document link. It tells you the acronym for JADE.

a reply to: Char-Lee

You say what you say as difinitive fact...what do you have to back up that opinion. I know a lot of military folks as I said before and none of them are robots. In fact most of them are angry like us at how their own government treated them. Are there probably some who would go along with such actions against US citizens...sure. Would that be a majority or a minority??? I say minority from what I've seen and what also seems rational and logical. That is that those service men have friends family and loved ones amongst us as a population and I don't think any of them savor any action against them.

Also since you brought up Baltimore those fools brought that on themselves with their senseless violence and looting. They were a huge threat to innocent people and those soldiers took that into account. Had they focused their anger at those responsible instead of innocent communities I have a feeling people would have acted a lot differently. Cops and NG alike. Cops more aggressive NG less. However all we have here is opinions as none of us can do more than conjecture and speculate.

The "29 palms questionnaire" asked the military participants "will you shoot American citizens?".

Jade Helm has the potential to be sorting mechanism. Folks involved on all sides self identify to some extent and extra effort and attention can be assigned to various individuals and situations to get the greatest effect from the operations.

That said, Texasgirl has a good point about the threat of a Mexican "TET" offensive, backed covertly by the Chinese or even the Russians or even the International Illuminati.

Never let a crisis go to waste. If a Mexican TET happens it is because TPBT want it to happen.

a reply to: texasgirl

I appreciate it, truly. I know it's a genuine effort. My problem is it's a blog. And it's presenting "might be" as "definitely."

The arrows and sword are common elements of many different special operations forces emblems. The shoe? No idea. The arrows, contrary to what the blog says, aren't even broken. But if we change the definition of "broken" to include "covered up a little by" then yea, I suppose they are. The shoe? Well one could argue that it's a sabot, which is a type of clog. Sabot is where the word "sabotage" comes from. And sabotage is something that special operations does, and trains others to do, as a force multiplier.

The "interview" about how you don't train in the U.S. because no other country is like us and you only train for where you're going to be used? Patently false. At The Basic School in Quantico there's a running joke before exercises that "the terrain will be Quantico-like" because it's a simulated OP in Africa and yet the terrain looks like Quantico. I did multiple pumps to Iraq and I don't recall ever once going to Iraq to train for it. I trained for it here in good ol' CONUS. Guys in a sister unit got sent to jump school. Why? Because they MIGHT get sent somewhere at some point and need to jump in. And every last one of them did precisely zero combat jumps. So that whole interview/statement reeks of BS to me.

I didn't make up my explanations of the acronym. They were legit finds in the search.

And finally, for what it's worth, here's a non-doom porn blog soldiersystems.net...

a reply to: Shamrock6


No, No, No...I'm not talking about the article. You didn't need to read that. There is a document from Air Force Research Laboratory Sponsored by Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
DARPA Order No. F173

I asked to scroll down past the Jade Helm patch to find the link to the 2001 document. Like I said, I can't figure out how to link the document without the article. I'm just trying to show there's a document that lists the acronym for JADE.

Thanks for going a little further for me....

a reply to: texasgirl

You're right, that's what you asked. Sorry lol. The "statement" from whoever that was caught my eye mid-scroll and I got thoroughly derailed. I did see the article you were referring to. I still prefer my find for JADE though

@ Semi In re: the 29 palms questionnaire - that was done in 1994. One time. By one guy. For a thesis paper on constitutional knowledge in the armed forces. And guess what? Over 60% of those who took the questionnaire disagreed when asked if they would fire on Americans who refused to give up their arms.

thefiringline.com...

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: texasgirl

You're right, that's what you asked. Sorry lol. The "statement" from whoever that was caught my eye mid-scroll and I got thoroughly derailed. I did see the article you were referring to. I still prefer my find for JADE though

@ Semi In re: the 29 palms questionnaire - that was done in 1994. One time. By one guy. For a thesis paper on constitutional knowledge in the armed forces. And guess what? Over 60% of those who took the questionnaire disagreed when asked if they would fire on Americans who refused to give up their arms.

thefiringline.com...

The Bell Curve distribution of human qualities suggests that there are at least 1% of the population that will have some given specific behavior pattern. Before you can organize them, you have to find them.

a reply to: Shamrock6


Thanks for looking again!

As far as HELM goes, there's nothing to support that acroynm so it's most likely wrong.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: texasgirl

You're right, that's what you asked. Sorry lol. The "statement" from whoever that was caught my eye mid-scroll and I got thoroughly derailed. I did see the article you were referring to. I still prefer my find for JADE though

@ Semi In re: the 29 palms questionnaire - that was done in 1994. One time. By one guy. For a thesis paper on constitutional knowledge in the armed forces. And guess what? Over 60% of those who took the questionnaire disagreed when asked if they would fire on Americans who refused to give up their arms.

thefiringline.com...

The Bell Curve distribution of human qualities suggests that there are at least 1% of the population that will have some given specific behavior pattern. Before you can organize them, you have to find them.

Well by God that one study that one guy did over 20 years ago that asked 300 people some questions sure did a GREAT job getting the ball rolling, didn't it?

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: texasgirl

You're right, that's what you asked. Sorry lol. The "statement" from whoever that was caught my eye mid-scroll and I got thoroughly derailed. I did see the article you were referring to. I still prefer my find for JADE though

@ Semi In re: the 29 palms questionnaire - that was done in 1994. One time. By one guy. For a thesis paper on constitutional knowledge in the armed forces. And guess what? Over 60% of those who took the questionnaire disagreed when asked if they would fire on Americans who refused to give up their arms.

thefiringline.com...

The Bell Curve distribution of human qualities suggests that there are at least 1% of the population that will have some given specific behavior pattern. Before you can organize them, you have to find them.

Well by God that one study that one guy did over 20 years ago that asked 300 people some questions sure did a GREAT job getting the ball rolling, didn't it?

He probably did not come up with that idea in a vacuum. That study was after Agenda 21 and the Kyoto agreement.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

You're right, he came up with it for a research paper.

It was also after the challenger disaster. But before 9/11. After Pearl Harbor. Before the Columbia disaster.

We can do that all day

a reply to: Rocker2013

They think they can bitch and moan after it starts. If it's a real exercise it probably won't be stopped. If it's martial law 101, it definitely won't be stopped. Regardless, the time to take back government in a reasonably calm and civil manner (if there ever was such a time) has long since passed. Hope for the best, tolerate it if it's a true inconvenience and prepare for the worst.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Semicollegiate

You're right, he came up with it for a research paper.

It was also after the challenger disaster. But before 9/11. After Pearl Harbor. Before the Columbia disaster.

We can do that all day

9/11 and Pearl Harbor agree with my sentiment.

Space shuttle accidents are irrelevant, why not include the Pet Rock and crayons.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

Why not indeed? One can always find things that happened before and after something else did.

But it's cool man, I get it. Hang your hat on a questionnaire for a research paper that was done a couple decades ago and didn't even reach 500 people.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time." - Ghandi

a reply to: RickyD

since you brought up Baltimore

Actually I never mentioned Baltimore.

what do you have to back up that opinion.

My Father was a highly decorated war hero, my Grandfather had a mountain named for him due to his service. My brother was in vietnam, my son flies and apache for the army and was a marine for 8 years plus other military duty. I have some experience.

A soldier loves his country as a whole and learns not to see individuals. He above all will do his duty especially when told it has important ramifications which of course he will accept unquestionably. If a soldier is not responding like this he would be a very inefficient soldier and would question killing and orders all of the time.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Why not indeed? One can always find things that happened before and after something else did.

But it's cool man, I get it. Hang your hat on a questionnaire for a research paper that was done a couple decades ago and didn't even reach 500 people.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time." - Ghandi

I meant to invoke the 29 palms survey metaphorically, as in, during Jade Helm, people will self identify as pro government or anti government to some degree.

The 29 Palm Survey was also after Waco and Ruby Ridge.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

People don't do that already? We see it everyday here on ATS.

It was before the USS Cole bombing.

Sorry to hijack this thread. I just joined to start a thread about this. I tried to start a new thread on both my Ipad and phone and it didn't work.


I came across this blog and it is creepy as hell. I posted it on another website and it was taken down for being to disturbing. I will appreciate if some can start a new thread about it. I will like to get the ATS analysis of it. Thanks.


acuriousfind.tumblr.com...

originally posted by: baitshark

Sorry to hijack this thread. I just joined to start a thread about this. I tried to start a new thread on both my Ipad and phone and it didn't work.


I came across this blog and it is creepy as hell. I posted it on another website and it was taken down for being to disturbing. I will appreciate if some can start a new thread about it. I will like to get the ATS analysis of it. Thanks.


acuriousfind.tumblr.com...

How very sad, reminded me of the movie Salt, so many messed up things out there.