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UFO's - Why do we assume Aliens when Human Origin is more plausible?

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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 07:27 AM
I'm a logical thinker, my opinions are formed through evidence, plausibility, probability and the available information for a theory, and for a long time I have wondered why so many people think UFO = Aliens, when it's more likely that UFO = Secret Government Project.

I recently watched some documentaries on the subject of man-made UFO's and the information out there only confirms by beliefs - most, if not all, UFO sightings and experiences are man-made craft, stemming from Nazi science.

Everything seems to lead to the UFO phenomenon being a technological advance taken from the Nazis at the end of WW2.

1. We know the Nazis were working on vertical take off,
2. We know they were working on the Bell,
3. There's plenty of existing evidence of a potential testing area,
4. We know that hundreds of Nazi scientists and engineers were moved to the US,
5. We know that they led to the US becoming the most militarily advanced nation on the planet,
6. We know that UFO sightings started in the US two years after these scientists were moved,
7. There is evidence of breakthroughs in anti-gravity technology under the Nazi regime,
8. The Nazis developed not only blimp technology, but the V1 and V2 rockets, revolutionary in their day,
9. We know that Hitler had an obsession with "super weapons",
10. We also have Ghost Rockets, widely believed to have been Soviet tests of seized Nazi technology discovered in Germany after the end of WW2.

In addition to all of the above, we also have the reality that the allies occupied and took responsibility for their own sections of Germany after the war ended. It's entirely likely that during this time a lot of information was gathered by each side from the areas they controlled. There would have been a lot of information and documentation throughout the county during the war, and it's very likely that much of this would have been discovered by each occupying nation. Not only would Russia, America and the UK have had access to the information the scientists had, they would have had the freedom to search their respective areas of control for more scientific information that each captured or defecting scientist wouldn't have even known about.

As we have all of this information leading in this direction, and very little evidence leading to any other proposed explanation, why do we continue to follow the notion that all UFO's are alien in origin and so rarely discuss the more likely explanation?

Of course, there are some reports of actual encounters with alien beings too, this can't be ignored. But even with these reports of alien beings, the amount of evidence to suggest that these are actually man-made is compelling in the face of it. There is still no absolute proof that anyone has encountered an actual alien life form. Of all the UFO sightings and experiences reported over the years, only a very small number have involved the sighting of an actual living being, or alien-like creature.

And of those, how many of them could also be disinformation?
How many could be deliberate attempts to fool the public and our enemies?
Could some of them simply have been mis-identification?
If you're testing a small manned experimental craft, might you train a smaller person to test it, and develop specialist protective clothing for them to wear - the same way we developed protective clothing for manned space missions?

Given what we know, or given what is suggested by all of this information, isn't it more plausible that UFO's are actually American top-secret aircraft developed from technology gathered after victory over Hitler?

Thanks for taking the time to read, I hope you'll offer your own thoughts on this, and perhaps share links to other information too. I find this whole subject fascinating, and although I've seen a lot of information out there about this I would certainly welcome you all sharing your own

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 07:39 AM

originally posted by: Rocker2013isn't it more plausible that UFO's are actually American top-secret aircraft developed from technology gathered after victory over Hitler?

some, maybe. but not all.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 07:40 AM
I have almost always suspected this is in fact the case and find the concept fascinating..

If you haven't read it, read the book 'Genesis" by W.A goes into incredible depth on the exact scenarios you have mentioned above, as well as going back to the great airship scare of 1897.

Seriously man, steal this book if you must.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 07:51 AM
a reply to: Rocker2013

A major problem about the Nazi-tech hypothesis is that no historians have found evidence of exotic technology. We know about the Hortens and so forth and we know that Western powers thought the early 'Foo Fighters' might have been Nazi secret technology.

We were able to defeat the Nazis and the wreckages of their aircraft have been found across several continents. They were shot down over Africa, Europe and Russia and none of those wrecks suggested anything shy of conventional, expected technology.

The US called 'dibs' on as much Nazi technology and scientists as they could and shipped it all back Stateside. Airframes like the Horten are on display and those scientists played a huge part in the Manhatten Project. So it's fairly accurate to say that the state-of-the-art technology in late 1940s USA was also the very best that the Nazis had managed to invent/develop.

The Soviets played 'finders keepers' with everything East of Checkpoint Charlie and rummaged through the Nazi resources just like the Americans. They too ferried away the scientists and took the technology and blueprints for anything that took their fancy. No saucers, spaceships or time-machines.

Going back to the 'Foo fighters,' these were seen before the Project Paperclip guys were conscripted to the US. Going back further, although 'disc-shaped' isn't so common, UFO sighting reports have occurred for centuries with a few 'discs' mixed in there.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 08:39 AM
Sounds like your American, as you are putting all sightings as being "American made"...forgetting the 10z of thousands of sightings throughout the globe pre nazi and after ww2. Yes a vast majority could be American testing in unauthorised air space but the probability is very unlikely.

The reason people jump to the conclusions of ET origins are simply based on the speed, manoeuvrability, and design of these UFO'S. The government has not produced anything near the speeds as witnessed by many, and if they could, would have to be unmanned due to the extreme G forces a human would experience, which nullifies the argument as only until the last 30-40 years were we able to control unmanned craft from a long distance.

Yes it is infuriating how everyone jumps to the automatic conclusions it has to be ET in nature, but no current technology (to our understanding) has been produced to create what you treat as fact. A German disc shape craft hovering 2 ft off the ground uncontrollably by large turbines has very little similarities to disc shape craft reaching speeds in excess of 500 mph with inertial dampeners.

Americans did not invent everything

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:02 AM
a reply to: Rocker2013

A read through the book by Ivan Sanderson called Invisible Residents will take you back to the log in Christopher Columbus's ship where an under the sea UFO was recorded in the log. It really is a very good book, with terrific research and covers sightings mostly from military and merchant shipping over a period of time. It also includes sighting during NATO forces manoeuvres.

I agree with you on the idea of human origins. Simply because Homo saps has been around for over 200,000 years on this planet and we have zilch before the ice age melted to give us a clue as to what we were actually up to.

We also know that this planet is not hospitable all the time and vulnerable from incoming meteors which are capable of creating a series of natural; phenomena which is lethal to our delicate bodies. Furthermore we know that what is above sea level today was not necessarily above throughout our existence and much as disappeared below sea level. This is made harder for us to look into our past because the current sea bottom has a habit of dropping down to depths we cannot penetrate to examine what could well have been lived on by our ancestors.

We also have made terrifically fast technology breakthroughs once the stranglehold of the church was lifted and it stopped burning some of the brightest brains in the Middle Ages. The church has never volunteered any explanations for the fabulous buildings and achievements from the pagan past except to plant its butt on past sacred sites in order to qualify some of its doctrines and get people to attend its services and cough up money to keep it. It also did its best to eradicate anything threatening its existence from the past so we have been forced to accept this huge blanket over whatever was around to help us find out more about ourselves. Even the tablets from Sumer's civilisation only seem to start up after some catastrophe which could possible by the flood, but we can't be sure except it is steeped in ancient civilisations myths.

I would have thought with what we can conclude its not impossible that part of a once great civilisation on earth took provision and survived a catastrophe albeit with limited resources and people who restarted us after the last 'melt-down' humanity suffered. If you think about it, it hasn't taken us that long to repopulate this planet to near capacity and we can only find minute traces of ourselves going back such a short period of our history.

Great thread though but I do think Nazi technology was not developed to such an extent as you say IMHO that is.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:05 AM
a reply to: Rocker2013
You're just not very romantic, are you?

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:44 AM
Because the phenomena pre-dates modern technology.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:44 AM
a reply to: Rocker2013

Oh God, forgive me what I'm gonna now do ...

Well, the snap of a logic which is regretfully applied in the OP, really misses a slight factual point of these UFO sightings having taken place for a long time prior to the age of flight, the age of supersonic fligt, or the age of space flight. This pretty much excuses Homo Sapiens from the spikes of any such aerial vehicles.

Then again, I do not say EVERYTHING flying out there is Mr Starman, and could well be, Mr Nazi might have put together Horton 29 which pretty much looks like a flying copy of the picture which Kenneth Arnold made and showed to the press.

However, the below belt punch line here is - there are some non-terrestial microbacterial organisms out there flying in our skies!

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 09:52 AM
There have been sightings of UFO way before aviation technology.

There is also the fact that most cultures and religions refer to light beings from the sky able to perform magic /miracles (god/ heaven etc).

Assuming all those that have truly seen UFO's as ''crazy /hallucinating'' is absurd. I am sane, rational and very logical and I have experienced UFO and I can say with absolute truth that that which I experienced was not of humanity nor earth technology.

Factor in the pilot and ATC controller testimony about UFO traversing the sky faster than anything possible of human then disappearing, the truth is humans can't so the logical analysis is that it is non human phenomena, be that interdimensional beings or ET, it is certainly of other realms.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:07 AM
a reply to: theabsolutetruth
Would you be so kind to explain your sighting further, dear? I say this out of sincerity and I'm not prodding.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:31 AM
a reply to: Rocker2013
Earth has been around some 4 billion years and life has been on it for nearly as long. I can buy into the idea a previous species existed that may now be haunting us in their UFO's even potentially humans. I could also consider UFO's being a future species or future Humans visiting us from the future.

I agree there is not reason to think any or all UFO are ET.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:51 AM
I like the idea of "we been here before".
That seems to be the most kewl one out there.....yet

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 10:57 AM
a reply to: TechniXcality

I don't talk about it much now, I can't be bothered being ridiculed and called crazy, but here is some I have written about on ATS.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:26 AM
Human origin? If you mean human is in secret tech/government projects then maybe some of them but not all. The ufo is totally too way out there to be our own making at this period in time. Now if you mean time travelling ufos of human origin.................. Yeah that is a possibility. Humans in the future coming back for historical holidays, seeing how the human type used to live, yes a possibility. But human tech from this point of time, no I really don't think that fits at all.

These things (whatever they are) zoom around in ships that are almost undescribable with what we understand. The shape shifting vision of a plasma ship/orb moving into a different shape, what is that? Is that human? B limey if it is the people have kept something like that under wraps since the time of Je-us 2,000 years ago? I just can't believe that is possible.

If the visions we see are human in origin in any way, this might be spirits. Are we seeing the spirit life in the sky? Are the ships ghosts of a previous civilisation? I do think there may be something in this, all the orbs we see, some say they are the spirits of the deceased, so does that go with your human origin idea? Many cultures talk of the energy lines laid over Planet earth as being like a motorway super highway of spirit/ufos/life forms/whatever and these things we see in the sky do seem to stick to these regions. Does that link these things with humanity?

There are so many different types of craft seen it is so bizarre. It's all guess work and theory to try to understand what is really going on in the sky. Sometimes I do get the thought that is some way we are being farmed or studied by those above us. Like Planet Earth being a big farmers field for us to be penned in so we can be farmed by them. Why are they farming us? If they are it does make you wonder the reason, I read they are harvesting us for our souls or something. Are we their next meal
That is a bit concerning. Or are they sort of studying us from a distance due to them being comparatively advanced and don't want to interfere with our natural development, a little like we may leave an Amazonian Indian tribe any attempt to keep them in their natural state. We try but they do get glimpses of us in the Amazon, just like the ufos are occasionally seen by us.

They are out there, no two ways about it. They are linked to our religious books, maybe they are humanity in its dead form, the Bible talks of the spirits and god and space ships giving off manns which is real and there is another dimension we can't see with our limited senses but is there and are they living there. Are they human is some way?

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:28 AM
a reply to: Rocker2013

Well, there are many types of sightings and many things reported - certainly some/most of them are simply identifiable with known technology, other's might be new and secret projects (including the elusive 'black projects') and some...well...some defy everything we think we understand about physics.

The last group can be in the "high strangeness" category, with actions or states of being that defy known norms and, while ET is not my "go to" answer, certainly "Unknown" is my verdict.

My personal sighting was in that last category, and it was so bizarre, and so real (not a dream or weird state of consciousness) that it has driven me to sites like this one to see if anyone else has had a similar experience.

I know, I don't expect you to believe me, and I don't expect you to alter your opinion based on my little snippet of story here. The truth is 1) I have no proof of the event and, 2) I have no idea what it was.

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posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:34 AM

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Assuming all those that have truly seen UFO's as ''crazy /hallucinating'' is absurd. I am sane, rational and very logical and I have experienced UFO and I can say with absolute truth that that which I experienced was not of humanity nor earth technology.

Problem is millions of seemingly rational & logical people claim to see all types of crazy things everyday. Like ghosts, spirits and angels, just as a perfect example.

I don't completely rule out the possibility of UFO's being extraterrestrials, but I'm far more inclined to believe people are just confused or are in fact seeing secret military technology.

At the very least, I'm convinced the whole Roswell incident was just the US government playing head games with the Russians. Publicly reporting they'd found an extraterrestrial craft, then retracting the statement a few days later, was obviously a very ambitious bluff to make the Russians think the US government had something they didn't. That's when the whole UFO craze really kicked off.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:38 AM
a reply to: theabsolutetruth

I would not redicule you, I rather enjoy your posts and agree more often than not . I have had one experience myself I'm reading the thread now thanks.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:53 AM
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Most of mine were experienced unexpectedly and involving others, twice involving an ex boyfriend and once a friend was there when an owl appeared but ran off before the light appeared.

I recall trying dismissing one of them as an elaborate movie set blimp, until the car lit up and levitated, and that was after an owl almost flew in the windscreen then disappeared at the exact moment.

posted on Apr, 19 2015 @ 11:54 AM
a reply to: TechniXcality

Thanks, yes I recall you aren't the ridiculing sort. Perhaps you would share your experience on ATS somewhen.

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