Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

a reply to: tigertatzen

They probably assumed that people weren't so daft to get frightened over something that was just them trying to be prepared. Their mistake.

a reply to: ngchunter

I used one of our telescopes on iTelescope.net

A for your effort! SnF

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: ngchunter

I used one of our telescopes on iTelescope.net to image the "asteroid" and confirmed that it is indeed fictional.

Well, at least we don't have to worry about a real asteroid impact scenario. But why do any kind of presentation?

Because that's what one does at a scientific conference? Actually I think it serves as a useful learning tool for the broader scientific community to consider what we would do if faced with a situation where an impact is possible but the ability to observe the asteroid prior to impact is significantly impaired by proximity to the sun. How do we assess the risk level that qualifies for a deflection attempt, and how do we assess the success or failure of our attempt in that situation? The scenario was designed in such a way as to exclude the most prolific source of follow-up observations post-discovery, amateurs, but in truth there are amateur assets available in the southern hemisphere which can exceed a limiting magnitude dimmer than the asteroid given in this example. While de novo discovery of such a dim asteroid by amateurs would be unlikely, follow-up observations are entirely possible by tracking on the asteroid's position by using the orbital elements to generate tracking offsets.

a reply to: Pimpish

They probably assumed that people weren't so daft to get frightened over something that was just them trying to be prepared. Their mistake.

Ok, so now you're saying that people who feel fear are "daft"? Mocking people for fearing the unknown, a normal human response. You lack an intelligent response so you try a bit of childish character assassination instead...how classy.

People have every reason to be afraid of strangers popping up out of nowhere with weapons, acting suspiciously. The whole focus of the JH exercise is to assess the ease with which the bad guys can infiltrate our communities, and the ease with which we can infiltrate enemy territory, and train accordingly.

They want people to be afraid. They want them to notice that something is wrong. Because that is how they learn what tactics to use to avoid detection. By their own admission, that is precisely why they favored Texas as a "hostile" environment. So no, they aren't assuming people won't get frightened. They are counting on people to be frightened and suspicious of unknown persons in their midst. Sucks for them that Walmart blew their cover by making up a ridiculous lie for why they closed the stores though, because now everyone knows about the exercise.

I guess Walmart assumed that everyone would be stupid enough not to question it or make the association to a military exercise. Their mistake.

a reply to: ngchunter

Actually I think it serves as a useful learning tool for the broader scientific community to consider what we would do if faced with a situation where an impact is possible but the ability to observe the asteroid prior to impact is significantly impaired by proximity to the sun.

Ok, that makes sense, thank you. I was wondering because of the timing.

This is an odd move for walmart being that they leave walmarts up and running during many major upgrades and in the midst of building additions, there are presently 10 different walmarts in california where they remain open while working on major parts of the entire buildings even a couple that don't even have air-conditioning in the summer months while they stay open yet do upgrades. So for them to close for any reason much less firing employees with 5 hours notice sounds fishy to say the least.

Lest we forget this is the same company that holds life insurance on even it's part time employees. I know this first hand

a reply to: Indigent

If you're using the same blueprint for all models then yes. Cars is different there are different varieties of car models and companies doing different things. How many models of Walmarts are there? One apparently. lol

Ok so this is as good a thread as any to post in rather than starting a new thread for this topic, excuse me for jumping in late, but I have been reading all that I happen upon on the forum about Walmart, JadeHelm15 and so forth.

OK, so I am standing in line somewhere today when I recognize the front desk lady from our local Wally. We start discussing the closures of Walmart stores, the one hour notice to employees etc.

She felt that in essence what the store gossip was, as if they had an insight to the situation was that "Those" are the stores that employees went on strike at.

That rumor was allowed to escalate among current employees to serve as a warning to any store that chooses to picket or make demands...

In her words "Plumbing issues" with the sarcastic roll of her eyes to boot, before she went on to speak in hushed tones with the above mentioned store gossip about the real story.

Either way, what on earth is this country coming to? When store management allows such rubbish to put fear in the employees heads in such a time of economic instability as well as job insecurity?

She also stated that Walmart was not giving any of their employees explanations or answering questions regarding the other store closings. I asked if she noticed the store receiving shipment s from the closed locations as I had noted a big shipment filling the isles shortly after the shut downs. She said I think all of their items go back to storage but was not certain.

I asked her about the recent store "inventory" done by outside sources other than the stores local employees and she had no answer for that either than "a major inventory". I then asked her if she noticed the DNO tags on many of the store items such as breads, cereals, tortillas, cookies, chips and other items such as juice, milk, and many other items that I have seen being distributed to the local food pantries.

She told me that many of the items are redistributed to the local big agricultural Pig farms. She went on to tell me how (again in hushed tones) they have to lock up all the products that go to the local swine farms for domestic terror reasons, both to protect the pigs and to protect anything terrorists may put in the foods that could harm people down the line. That and if they did not lock the bins, that homeless people would take the food and that Walmart has strict policies against that because they could be sued if someone got sick.

I told her that she should notice the items when she enters the warehouse of the Salvation army food distribution area (where we were headed) and note how many of the items are from her store... it does not matter if you get boxes of half rotten food via a food distribution location such as the salvation army, Churches and the like, that has become huge business.

This is leading into another story for another day as I know quite a bit about the food for the poor issue as well... Pitiful, really pitiful story... BUT the pigs get all they eat of what is not Allowed to go to the poor... wow I really do have a story on that issue...

a reply to: tigertatzen

I was referring to the NASA thing, not Jade Helm. I can understand people being fearful over Jade Helm, even though I don't agree with it, I can understand it. Not the NASA thing though...that's just silly.

originally posted by: antar
She felt that in essence what the store gossip was, as if they had an insight to the situation was that "Those" are the stores that employees went on strike at.

That rumor was allowed to escalate among current employees to serve as a warning to any store that chooses to picket or make demands...

Well...this is essentially what I've been saying all along...
And I'll bet its real effective too. the wonders of job insecurity in the current economy...

a reply to: antar

OK, so I am standing in line somewhere today when I recognize the front desk lady..

No offense, but I feel that your post is [snipped]. The way it's written, the concern for details, the way you are trying to fit it all in, the way you are trying to write it of with a "Either way.." then make more statement in the same line as before.. A story is only a story, no offense, but that's what it is. And if my intuition is right, like is usually is, you have for some reason made up big chunks of the text.
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a reply to: tanka418

Well...this is essentially what I've been saying all along...

Baahaahaa! Displaying a keen eye for source criticism as usual..

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
a reply to: antar

OK, so I am standing in line somewhere today when I recognize the front desk lady..

No offense, but I feel that your post is fake as fukk. The way it's written, the concern for details, the way you are trying to fit it all in, the way you are trying to write it of with a "Either way.." then make more statement in the same line as before.. A story is only a story, no offense, but that's what it is. And if my intuition is right, like is usually is, you have for some reason made up big chunks of the text.
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a reply to: tanka418

Well...this is essentially what I've been saying all along...

Baahaahaa! Displaying a keen eye for source criticism as usual..

Trying to circumvent T&C? are we? Naughty!

Then you all but call Antar a liar...

Pretty good...it also shows the strength of your argument.

Anyway kid; if you would be so kind as to actually show a connection that is real and NOT supported by conjecture alone...it would seriously help your position.

But, as we have all seen here, the only real evidence that is presenting in this case only supports the "union busting" theory...and that would be another thing...what you have is a hypothesis, a good story that BEGINS to provide an explanation...on the other hand; I think the "Union" bit should be elevated to Theory...since it has a growing body of supporting data, from an ever increasing data base. And, while the confidence level may still be a bit low, it is certainly vastly higher that what you use to support your hypothesis.

I have another hypothesis; you are a paid Walmart shill. Of course, I have rather little evidence at present, but, it does explain why you are so unwilling to look at another argument.

a reply to: tanka418

But, as we have all seen here, the only real evidence that is presenting in this case only supports the "union busting" theory..

Yeah, that's right - go ahead and paternalise me!
Since I'm completely lacking any braincells to think at all, I find myself in desperate need for some publizised opinion to go along with. Thank you very much, good Sir!

And just in case I missed something - where can I find your "evidence"?

It’s been a while since I wrote something here and based on a friendly message I got, I thought I would make a contribution I've been thinking about for some time now. Some ignorant members in this discussion have bluntly called my previous contributions ”doom porn” when I in fact only enlighten the curious and remarkable connections between - the locations of the stores and their bogus renovation timetable, and - the details regarding Jade Helm 15.

I have time after time told these members that their accusations are baseless and that I merely show interesting information that may show a connection between the stores and the upcoming exercise, which in it self does not entitle any martial law, civil unrest, killing of americans or other incidents that can be linked to ”doom porn”

I have however, all along had many different theories behind why 5 stores were closed down during the exact same time as the planned exercise while situated in the immediate vicinity of participating states, but out of respect and compassion for possible scared and worried members I have not made any contributions that could escalate their already semi-paranoid state.

I’m not making this contribution to deliberately trigger something in these people, and I would not take what I’m going to write as any thing else except ”a view” of what might unfold in the future. I am however writing this because of some deeply ignorant and recurrent accusations regarding me and my comments and also because I believe that this should be told If there might be some reality behind what I’m about to tell. So here we go.

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We know a fair bit of protest and civil unrest cases have been fabricated by parts within the state or parts within a company to inflict some sort of change. If they look for a change in the countries political structure or a change in social behaviors or new laws doesn’t matter. What matters is that this phenomena is taking place and that clandestine groups seem to like this subliminal and fake approach when enforcing a change, a change which citizens believe have taken place out of real circumstances based on the biased news coverings.

With the help of social networks, protest groups, unions and media these groups spread false information and call upon people that live in poverty to stand up for what seems like a good cause that will result in a positive change in their life and current situation. This is for example how the arab spring began i Tunis, and the countries that followed had the same help from a foreign and steering hand. In these cases, the aim was to change the political fabric and enroll the country in foreign trade agreements. But like I said, changing a political structure is not the only aim of these operations.



This kind of change inflicting behavior and the actions behind it is called Psychological Operations, and there are many different treats within this tactic. A close collaboration with media is always used to steer the public opinion towards their goal and the people in charge make sure that the news and the angle of it will contribute to the change inflicting behavior of the targeted group and population. Social networks are also heavily involved, and it’s through these networks the clandestine groups enroll individuals and arrange their next upcoming event. Within the targeted group are so called ”leaders” or ”organizers” these people are a part of the team within the psychological operation and their goal is to blend in with the targeted group to be seen as one of them. These people are usually the ones who enables the behavior that can be linked to public unrest, and their way of doing this is by grooming targeted individuals within the group, individuals they feel are easily persuaded, usually poor and uneducated people. The organizers are the ones who either alone or in connection with groomed individuals throw the first stone into a store before calling for a looting, or the ones who scream specific mantras which the media is suppose to cover when they are on the spot. The people within the clandestine group who organizes the psychological operation work very closely with public relation companies, and it’s through these companies they get their tailor-made tools involved in the operation. These tools can for example be; signs, banners, well formulated sentences and mantras the group shout during the operation, and the tools are tailored inline with the cause and to give the greatest psychological impact within the targeted group as well as the rest of the population who see the news covering of the event.

You may have wondered how fast some protesters have gotten a couple of thousands well designed and printed signs from one day to another, or wondered why signs are written in english when the protest takes place in for example arab countries. Well, this is the answer to that.

The clandestine group usually hire unemployed and poor people to be apart of the protest, and these people get food or money for their participation. The group can also use ”protest for hire” crowdsondemand.com... www.vice.com... companies if they want more people within a short timeframe, but it all boil downs to where the psychological operation takes place as well as the scale and hush hush level of the operation.

These operations can be tied to false flag events, considering they both aim to subliminally influence the population and bring some sort of change based on the incident taking place. Most here probably know and can name a handful of big false flags that have changed the public opinion in regard to the incident. Gun restriction, terrorism, new former unthinkable laws, etc have all been highlighted in regards to behavior changing operations inline with false flags. The differences between false flags and psychological operations are almost nonexistent, and just like a false flag can have different gradations a psychological operations also operate within different covert levels.

What do we see now, and how have our society changed the last couple of years?

First of all we see that the race war have grown stronger for each passing year, a notion which most defiantly have been enabled thanks to psychological operations and social engineering. The selectively chosen news covering of "white cops killing black people” is also most certainly a sign of social engineering taken place, and it seems like the preferred tactic in all of this is; divide and conquer.

The state/establishment want to divide the population and their way of doing this is by heavy immigration without integration, immigration that has been enabled thanks to fabricated conflicts in poor countries. The state/establishment have created these gaps to create friction and didivd the population so they can be triggered in regard to certain incidents taking place. The social engineering that have taken place thanks to false flags and psychological operations have resulted in great tension between races/sexual orientation/ethnicity/gender/ but also in regard to ”the ones who have” and ”the ones who have not” in regard to money. The fact of the matter is, the state or certain parts within the state have created these gaps on purpose, and almost all unexplained behavior that is linked to this have been fabricated.



The state/establishment ignores the gaps while selectively choosing news that will portray a different story, stories that will influence different parties to portray the other as the villain, and thus creating great frustration within the population. Why? Because this enables more gaps in our society, makes the population more easily moldable in this state and this will make it easier for the state/establishment to inflict new (former unthinkable) laws that will "help" the situation.

We see a bigger and bigger crowd of low-wage employees who feel they are entitled to a minimum wage of $15/hour and which during the past years have been protesting and demonstrating their cause around the whole US. fightfor15.org... Labour-unions are calling for employees to get involved in the cause and in connection to the tension that has been building up we see certain people instigating protest/police violence and happily taking part in looting of stores as soon as a opportunity arrive, opportunities engineered by psychological operations in connections to past incidents. mrconservative.com... We also see that some recipients of government food stamps seem to feel like they are entitled to take ”free food” when the limit of their EBT debit cards gets revoked, which happened during a routine maintenance test by Xerox which resulted in shelves being cleared in two cities, another incident that may have ”occurred” and/or encouraged to inflict some sort of behavioral change and to instigate a behavior that can lead to major looting, protests and civil unrest. nypost.com...

We see that the news happily and vividly are covering all the above things, which obviously will make more people enroll in the different tension-creating causes, and in regard to the latest news about the closed Walmart stores the media are reporting a fact that every logical thinking person would have known would come; That a union would be contacted by former workers at Pico Rivera, workers who themselves have been seeking higher pay and better conditions by putting up both strikes and protests at this particular store. The union have stepped in and filed and injunction to force Walmart to rehire the 2200 workers, not just the ones at Pico Rivera. This is in itself pretty interesting based on the fact that the only quoted and mandating claim behind their injunction are in connection to the protests at the Pico Rivera store in California. The remaining 1650 workers belonging to the other 4 Walmart stores seems to be included in this injunction solely based on that the stores was closed at the same date and within the same timeframe. Which leads me to believe that it may have been done to create further tensions among low-wage citizens and the current protests and demonstrations.

Another worrying aspect that will create great tension within the society is the massive food stamp shutdowns that have taken place the last couple of years. In 2013 a $5 billion annual cut out of $11 billion was approved as stimulus funding expired for the program and this nationwide cut “is equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three” www.cbpp.org... In 2016 the rest of the stimulus funding will expire and another $6 billion cut will be implemented. In the same year as the $5 billion cut was made another strategy was planned and heavily lobbied by the republicans and it involved a $20-40 billion cuts to the food stamp program (SNAP) one of the programs in the Farm bill, but after compromising with the democrats the cut which was implemented in 2014 "only" reduced food stamp benefits by $8.7 billion over the next decade. www.cbpp.org... www.motherjones.com... In 2015 another 1 million people were expected to lose food stamps as "economy improved” and when the unemployed three months period was revoked in eight states which chose not to renew the full or partial waivers. money.cnn.com...



And now the republicans are at it again, in march this year they proposed a $125 billion cut over 10 years to SNAP, about 34% of the programs funding. The program currently serves 46 million Americans with an average monthly benefit of $128 per person and if this cut will be implemented states would need to kick 11-12 million people off the program. www.huffingtonpost.com...

What can all this result in, and what may the closed stores and the Jade Helm 15 exercise have to do with it?



Poverty remains at record high levels in America, and three job applicants compete for every job opening. At the same time the government is portraying a different story, saying that the economy is doing better and thats the reason behind the cuts in food stamps ”because many people won’t need them anymore”. California, Texas and Florida which have a high number SNAP recipients are states that have/will take the biggest hit of the nationwide $5 billion cut which was implemented in 2013. Texas is also one of the eight states that have not renewed full or partial waivers and as a result have a great number of the 1 million people who lost their benefits this year. Texas, California and Florida are all participating in the upcoming exercise and California have very strong ties to protests and demonstrations in regard to the closed stores, Florida are also affiliated with this behavior. We can see that both the media, protest groups and labour unions are rounding up people and trying to recruit more low-wage employees in the upcoming causes and protests. On 15 April this year the largest protest in American history was organized when fast-food workers joined by Walmart employees, home-care aides, childcare workers came together in more than 200 cities around the country. www.theguardian.com... McDonald’s is planning their ”biggest protest ever” in line with the $15 minimum cage cause and they are going to gatecrash the shareholder meeting on 21 May this year. www.theguardian.com...

After each reported case of ”white police killing black people” there are massive protests taking place around the country, and these incidents have been more and more regular the past years. In connection to these protest civil unrest have erupted and resulted in both looting, burning of stores and the national guard/DHS have been called in. Some of these incidents are linked to Walmart, especially the John Crawford III case, a black person who was killed without a warning holding a BB/rifle in a Walmart store in late 2014. The media have covered protesters in Ferguson chanted his name in connection to their protests in connection to Mike Brown. The latter case involves William L. Chapman II, who was killed in a Walmart parking lot April 22 this year after police got a call about shoplifting, and the police now say they are preparing for possible protests. www.washingtonpost.com... .html

I cannot say what exactly all this will lead up to, but I do know that a great tension have been built up the last couple of years and that all the factors of a major civil unrest case definitely are set in place. If the government is preparing in line with what is about to come, the 5 Walmart locations could have a number of applications. Provisional detention camps, places to stockpile equipment and resources for soldiers, urban command centers, etc. On top of these factors I have mentioned in the above text we also have the presence of ISIS in both Mexico and now the latest news about ”terror cells in 15 states” one of which is said to be located in California. www.foxnews.com...

Final note.



If the upcoming protests and demonstrations in connection to low-wage employees get out of hand and if they result in ”white cops killing black people” on a larger and more frequent rate while we have both a growing ISIS presence and possible attacks or ”planned attacks” and a desperate chunk of the population needing food and shelter, this could most certainly result in a big problem in the US and possible a major civil unrest. Looting, burning of stores, store/home owners shooting people trying to protect their property, terrorist attacks, either from ISIS or domestic terrorists, (domestic terrorist as a result of the tension which have been fabricated between groups within the society) mass civil breakdown, lockdown...

If you look across the world, riots always begin typically the same way: when people cannot afford to eat food. - Margarette Purvis, the president and CEO of the Food Bank for New York City

Is that enough doom porn for you?

Sorry man (not really) but I just had to post this...it's seriously rich.

What was fake on the Internet this week: Game of 72, beard poop and Jade Helm 15

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1. Obama is not planning a military takeover of the American Southwest. If you had asked me two weeks ago which Internet conspiracy theory had the greatest chance of gaining mainstream traction, I would have pointed anywhere but Jade Helm — the conspiracy so far-fetched, so totally fantastical, that it could only have come out of Texas.

So...it would appear that good ole JH15 isn't what y'all thought after all...It was just a bunch of krap to get y'all going...and of course; you bought into it "hook, line, and sinker"...even though it never contained any logic whatsoever...

Somehow, though, I kind of doubt that it started in Texas...

a reply to: tanka418

Sorry man (not really) but I just had to post this...it's seriously rich.

I'm guessing your comment is aimed at me being that I wrote the last comment. For the love of god, don’t be sorry, I appreciate your deeply illogical contributions. Love how you turn something oh so irrelevant into something that is aimed to contradict what I'm writing. And by these contributions you give me many laughs and that I thank you for.

So...it would appear that good ole JH15 isn't what y'all thought after all...It was just a bunch of krap to get y'all going...and of course; you bought into it "hook, line, and sinker"...even though it never contained any logic whatsoever

I once again wrote a lengthy comment and the only thing you and your brilliant mind had to counter with was one (1) article from main stream media.. A article from one of the 10th biggest and most controlled newspapers in America.. Hahaha, you are priceless! Caitlin Dewey, the person who wrote the sad and illogical "article" you posted have all the signs of a narcissistic and attention-seeking behavior. She writes about social media, internet culture and happily indulge in anti-male and feminist angled "articles". In other words, the things the state/establishment seeks to cover to further divide the population and create frustration (which I happened to cover in my last 3 posts on this page) After 1 minute on her twitter page you will realize what kind of brainless matters this person is ”reporting” and the ”article” you posted is off course no different. Mixing genuinely fake stuff with matters this person in no way whatsoever can know anything about, based on how she writes, what she writes and backed by a lacking moral, distortion of truth and a hunger for making her powerful newspaper happy.

And the fact that you believe what one or any controlled media is writing (when it comes to what the exercise may result in or when it comes to ”conspiracies") is just beyond illogical. You imply that I'm making statements inline with some "collective view" in regard to a ”singular” (1) conspiracy connected to Jade Helm 15 and the 5 stores. That is in itself a proof of what your lacking intellect lets you see. I speak for the things I write and nothing else, and I haven't gotten any inspiration from outside conspiracies regarding this matter. I have merely read alot, combined that with previous knowledge and then presented my view of the situation.

You imply that both me and other have somehow been hypnotized by a previous conspiracy in regard to this matter and after that we have taken that notion with "hook, line, and sinker"

The most interesting aspect here is that You have bought into the establishments propagande with "hook, line, and sinker" and then used this totally irrelevant ”article" as some sort of proof in your quest. Just like they want you to do.

Like I said before, you crack me up. But please know what you are talking about and give credible sources accordingly. Otherwise you will continue to ridicule yourself like you have done over and over.

Take care now.

In her relatively short career, Dewey has shown herself to be utterly devoid of journalistic morals, regularly lying and distorting the truth in order to advance her anti-male, feminist agenda. Furthermore, she has exhibited narcissistic, attention-seeking behaviors going back to her college years, behaviors that compromise her objectivity as a reporter.

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a reply to: Crowdpsychology

lol

What can anyone say; If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.

Like I said before, you crack me up. But please know what you are talking about and give credible sources accordingly. Otherwise you will continue to ridicule yourself like you have done over and over.

Still waiting for you...You have not demonstrated that you have any idea of what you are talking about, in fact, much of what you have said tends to demonstrate that you make up half, and misconstrue the rest...and, you haven't supplied a single credible source as yet.

originally posted by: tanka418
Sorry man (not really) but I just had to post this...it's seriously rich.

What was fake on the Internet this week: Game of 72, beard poop and Jade Helm 15

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1. Obama is not planning a military takeover of the American Southwest. If you had asked me two weeks ago which Internet conspiracy theory had the greatest chance of gaining mainstream traction, I would have pointed anywhere but Jade Helm — the conspiracy so far-fetched, so totally fantastical, that it could only have come out of Texas.

So...it would appear that good ole JH15 isn't what y'all thought after all...It was just a bunch of krap to get y'all going...and of course; you bought into it "hook, line, and sinker"...even though it never contained any logic whatsoever...

Somehow, though, I kind of doubt that it started in Texas...

So an article tells you it is all normal and that is it, no research?

There are plenty in high positions who have questioned some of the JD15 scenario and that indeed there are some unusual things about it.

Jade Helm is getting a lot of attention for several reasons, including the fact that the military has designated for purposes of its exercise several mostly-Republican regions as “hostile” territories.

“Having served in the U.S. Army, I can understand why military officials have a goal to see if groups of Special Forces can move around a civilian population without being noticed and can handle various threat scenarios,” Gohmert wrote. “In military science classes or in my years on active duty, I have participated in or observed military exercises; however, we never named an existing city or state as a ‘hostile.’ We would use fictitious names before we would do such a thing.

“Such labeling by a government that is normally not allowed to use military force against its own citizens is an affront to the residents of that particular state considered as ‘hostile,’ as if the government is trying to provoke a fight with them. The map of the exercise needs to change, the names on the map need to change, and the tone of the exercise needs to be completely revamped so the federal government is not intentionally practicing war against its own states.”
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