Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I would be interested to know if there are other stores closer to these locations than the ones closed, and if there are, and these are linked to the exercises, then what is the specific significance of these particular stores if there are others closer?

Most certainly, but feel free to do the research on that, and then present your findings. Like I have stated before, I'm not saying that it's a fact that these 5 closed stores have a connection to the Jade Helm 15 exercise, but I do believe that there is a chance (and there is a big difference between those two) based on the available information I have gathered. But if we are going to brainstorm inline with your question, I would suggest the following;

1) The stores have been chosen based on the communities that exists within their proximity and their demography, economy, crime-rate, unemployment-rate, etc.
2) The stores have a key-function in connection to Walmart's 9 "Disaster Distribution Centers”
3) The stores need further work on their infrastructure to better compliment their role in crisis/disaster/emergency management.
4) The stores have been chosen in connection to certain military bases.
5) A mix of the above.

Brandon Florida - Supercenter
Pico Rivera, California - Supercenter
Tulsa, Oklahoma - Supercenter
Midland, Texas - Supercenter
Livingston, Texas - Supercenter

One thing is sure, some of the Walmart’s are not near nor in the immediate vicinity of the planned deployments, but many of them are like I have showed, in the proximity of strategic military bases. I know that Walmart have 9 disaster centers around strategic places in the US, but even after doing some heavy searching I wasn’t able to find these locations. If someone know where they are situated, please post their locations.

These "disaster distribution centers” are stocked with relief supplies which are meant to be used in the event of a disaster. Each of these centers is more than 1 million square feet in size and they are stocked with water, batteries, lanterns, lamp oil, and ready-to-eat-food.


ercwts.files.wordpress.com...


www.scl.gatech.edu... (2010)


www.crcog.org... (2009)

I have been able to find any additional "Emergency Management in the Private Sector” pdf’s/manuals from Walmart. It’s also interesting to note that the SAR tool I mentioned in a previous post was addressed in a DHS document from 2011, in regard to "Developing the Commercial Facilities” Page 19, under ”Key Initiatives” www.dhs.gov... And the 2009 document from Walmart says their future tools will contain a ”central portal for all disaster-related information and intelligence” But their 2010 document didn't even address what kind of tools they were using and the potential upgrade of the system.

Wal-Mart’s efforts on behalf of hurricane relief also have to be viewed in light of what the company had previously received in benefits from the region. The giant distribution centers in Louisiana and Mississippi that were mobilized to provide aid were—like virtually every one of the company’s warehouses—built with government subsidies. The 20-year-old facility in Brookhaven, Mississippi received more than $1.5 million in infrastructure assistance and millions more (the exact amount is unknown) in tax breaks. The newer facilities in Louisiana got much more. The distribution center in Opelousas, which opened in 1999, received an estimated $33 million in tax breaks and infrastructure help. The one in the town of Robert, opened in 2001, enjoyed subsidies of more than $21 million. In other words, each of these two Louisiana distribution centers received more or less the same amount in government assistance as Wal-Mart has spent on hurricane relief. The company is still far ahead of the game—even without considering the rest of the more than $1 billion it has received in development subsidies across the United States.

www.corp-research.org...


www.goodjobsfirst.org...

The 5 closed Walmart Supercenters have not gotten any subsidies as far as I can see..

Texas: www.walmartsubsidywatch.org...
Oklahoma: www.walmartsubsidywatch.org...
California: www.walmartsubsidywatch.org...
Florida: www.walmartsubsidywatch.org...

Maybe these centers are being prepped and customized in some way in connections to their public-private partnership. Maybe they are about to receive some kind of "state site preparation grant", infrastructure assistance, etc. - in connection to their preparedness planning and key function during crisis/disaster/emergency management.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology
Thanks for the maps. It helps me come to my previous conclusion.

If Walmart spills anything into the environment, they are responsible for cleaning it up. If it gets into a water source, they can and will be held accountable by the EPA. Cleaning up an oil spill in a water source is a disaster and involves hiring contractors that charge insane amounts of money for equipment and personnel and disposal. Then the EPA fines you. Then there is the loss of revenue due to people boycotting a chain due to its effect on the environment especially in our eco-friendly, save the world mentality here in America. Large corporations spend a lot of money in their Environmental, Health and Safety departments. I assure Walmart eith has an EHS department or contracts with an environmental company to go around and inspect the sites regularly. Any generator of hazardous waste has to keep track of all of it and is held responsible INDEFINITELY per RCRA.

Walmart most likely had an audit of some sort and identified sites that pose a potential risk for either a spill or for an EPA fining. They then probably cross referenced with the most obvious variable: money. Then someone at corporate presented this to the finance department and it was approved. They call it "plumbing" because controlling the flow of liquid in and out of the facility technically is plumbing. The easiest way to hide a lie is in the truth.Of course, I don't really know anything, this is all an educated guess from someone that works in the environmental industry.

Midland Walmart - Gas Station - Lube Express - less than 0.3 miles from water treatment plant
Livingston Walmart - Lube Express - in process of building Gas Station - 500 ft from Long King Creek
Brandon Walmart - Lube Express - surrounded by water pockets due to proximity of coast
Tulsa Walmart - Gas Station - Lube Express - Mingo Creek 0.8 miles and several large ponds adjacent to property
Pico Rivera Walmart - Lube Express - Rio Hondo Channel 0.4 miles

a reply to: Pimpish

I've read the entire thread and I've not seen anyone post any evidence, please point that out. All I've seen is a bunch of speculation.

Several members have posted links which either led to or supported that speculation. There is indeed evidence to suggest that he is mistaken, just as there is indeed evidence to suggest that I am mistaken, and everyone else who has a theory on the subject.

It's cute, the way you guys like to go searching for the tiniest little snippet so you can twist its meaning around like that. Reminds me of being in kindergarten. My whole point to Captain Butthurt was that this is a discussion that many people have many different theories about, and that is ok. Because it's a discussion forum. He was throwing old articles out there, some from two years ago and trying to pass that off as "proof" that he is more correct than the rest of us. And had you really read the entire thread, you'd have known exactly what I was saying. It's ok to speculate. That's why we're here. Discussing things. In a discussion forum. Ciao.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

So... I guess that's the new normal? Some flatout ignorant rudeness in full throttle, whining for "irrefutable evidence" in the first part while spitting out some BS assumptions in the second? Pretty impressive!

It's always the same people bitching about not having proof positive to support a theory, yet they can't seem to conjure up anything approaching valid proof that fails to support it. I wonder how fast they would change their tune if "doom porn" suddenly became their reality. I'm guessing pretty quick.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
My whole point to Captain Butthurt

Right back at you.

originally posted by: Vaedur
To explain the police presence, just know in Schenectady New York (Rotterdam) the police are ordered to be at walmart by the town during black Friday. With a odd situation and prescription drugs still being sold, and a big store full of good being shutdown, this could be town ordered.

The police are there during Black Friday because of massive crowds and the potential for fights to break out.

If these locations are just closed down, how it is any different than all of the non-24-hour WalMarts that close down at the end of every night? At the most, those locations have a hired security guard that patrols the parking lot.

I've never seen a non-24-hour store with multiple police cars present every night just to guard the store full of goods.

Believe me, I thought of your explanation first but it has no historical precedent and it's certainly not the normal M.O.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

So yeah, some people already did go completely mad and started to use their skunk works literally at work as well...
Frigging depressing to witness this devolution of democracy into some form of idiocracy. I would prefer plumbing-issues at Walmarts instead, but I can't bring myself to become a strong believer of Flying Spaghetti Monsters either...

Yeah, it’s almost as the government can be considered an young and paranoid housewife with to much time on her hands, who believes her billionaire husband is in some way cheating on her, and therefore goes to great lengths to collect as much information as possible so she can be prepared when the s*it hits the fan, s*it she herself enabled. Meanwhile she is actually the one who is cheating, and doing shady stuff behind her counterparts back.

One thing is sure, all this massive surveillance and intel-gathering is not meant to deter or even stop ”real” terrorist attacks, it’s meant for people who they feel is a threat to the state, union, new world order or whatever you believe the future will end up in. It’s also sad to see their pathetic excuses behind all these surveillance measurements when they can’t even stop the media hyping ”terrorist attacks” from happening. But sure, their work is soooo helpful to keep citizens (or should I say private interests) safe.

The idiocracy you mentioned is possible because cognitive dissonance, cognitive bias and learned helplessness have grown massively stronger among citizens the last century. It’s easier for these people to continue living in their safe collective bubble and continue to discuss useless matters instead of focusing on the hard, fearful and stressful matters that has filled our world. There is a great deal of psychology involved in the mental states that correlates with this behavior, and the intelligence community itself is heavily involved in misinformation, ridiculing statements connected to both legitimate conspiracies as well as made up ones. That’s why people look at you as if you were crazy when you for example mention the facts behind CIA drug trafficking or the disbursement of guns to local gangs in an effort to ”catch gang-lords”. These facts are so far from the peoples collective belief that they wouldn’t even consider it’s probability, and if the person agains their own judgment would look into the facts, they would routinely dismiss them and ignore the connections solely because the contradicting facts doesn’t correlate with their already established mindset and which therefore enables heavy mental stress if not ignored.

One thing is sure, If we don’t want to end up in the worst totalitarian society that the world has ever seen, people need to wake up and get involved. The notion of researching matters and doubtfulness connected to the finds is all you need in the beginning, the rest will solve itself after the first cornerstone falls into place.

I would prefer plumbing-issues at Walmarts instead, but I can't bring myself to become a strong believer of Flying Spaghetti Monsters either…

Hahah, Cheers!

Additional information in regard to the link you posted:

72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered “Potential Terrorists” In Official Government Documents:
thetruthwins.com...

Tactical Reference Guide Radicalization into Violent Extremism:
www.virginia.edu...
Communities Against Terrorism - Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities:
www.wired.com...
(U//FOUO) Rightwing Extremism - Radicalization and Recruitment:
fas.org...

DO NOT think you have been subjected to unfair treatment and DO NOT be higly emotional. DO NOT under any circumstances buy sponges, candles and matches at the same time.DO NOT enjoy the concept of doing things by yourself.

Final note. It’s interesting that the western world have shifted their concerning color from RED to BLUE in the last couple of years. Guess the cold war is finally over and that they can’t blame the red side for all the terrorist attacks anymore. But they sure as hell made the best out of it during the 70-90s when contracting rightwing extremists to conduct terrorists attacks during Operation Gladio and then blaming them on lefties.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
a reply to: tanka418

Seems likely to me, because you have still not produced any facts that state that the 100m range is impossible and why the things I stated regarding RFID-chips are illogical in today's world. I actually beg the differ, in line with all the massive surveillance bills and intel-gathering hybris. Money, motive, initiative, profitable applications are all there. What more do you need!

Well...IF you knew anything about RF and how it propagates, you would know that the transmitted power decreases by what is termed an "inverse square". In that for what ever the distance is (usually meters) that you divide the output power of the transmitter by the square of the distance.

So...by the time the signal has traveled 100 meters we will have to divide the output power of the transmitter by 10,000.

So...at 100 meters you will need a 10 kilowatt transmitting device just to erect the activating field. That's half your battle...now you need to send back a signal from a "flea" powered radio set. You power output is going to be something less than 1 watt, using some standard conversions and giving you more luck than nature will...your output power is likely to be less than 700 milliwatt. When that signal returns to the system, its power will be 0.00007 watts or about 70 microwatt (70 millionths)

Assuming you can get all that to work, you still have to acquire data...so now you have all that "smart dust" moving around and dumping it's data to every activating field it encounters...thus; millions of terabytes received every second, and you wanted to do WHAT? with this data?

There is not a computer system on the Earth that can handle that kind of processing load, the only thing you can do is store it, and you will find that the hard drive manufacturers won't be able to keep up...you will start loosing data...the is no other option

It was hard to pick up everything you wrote because of your denial, but I did manage to pinpoint some of your words;

You picked up on every bit of that, and know it is far more reasonable than anything you have, yet you continue with your fantasy.

By the way...it seems that an international Union (a REAL Union) as stepped in to help out the 2200 Walmart workers. They are filing for an injunction to make Walmart rehire all of them...they are saying the layoffs (firings) and store closures were retaliation for worker activism...kind of like what I already said. You can check this out on just about any news network, I found it on MSN...

There...backed up, on all points, without using any conjecture...still all you have is conjecture.

a reply to: tigertatzen

You're giving them way too much credit calling them theories. They're hypotheses, at best. Further, I've still seen zero evidence of anything. There's a bunch of unrelated stuff people are putting together and claiming they're related. That doesn't make them evidence, it makes it speculation.

I'm quite sure there is just a financial reason behind all this. It is Walmart after all. I also don't think it's coincidence that my local supercenter suddenly stopped being a 24 hour store. There's financial reasons behind it and probably behind the whole thing.

Of course, I don't have any evidence of that and certainly wouldn't claim that I do. Just my speculation, just like the rest of this thread.

a reply to: AnuTyr

What do the Koch brothers have to do with this?
You know they don't have anything to do with wal-mart don't you, or are you that ignorant?

The thing that makes me think it has something to do with jade helm over all the other theories is the stores placement. They look even spaced out in the south. I think if there are plumbing problems it is highly unlikely that thesent are the only stores and they just happened to be approximately the same distance from each other.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
There is a great deal of psychology involved in the mental states that correlates with this behavior, and the intelligence community itself is heavily involved in misinformation, ridiculing statements connected to both legitimate conspiracies as well as made up ones. That’s why people look at you as if you were crazy when you for example mention the facts behind CIA drug trafficking or the disbursement of guns to local gangs in an effort to ”catch gang-lords”.

A big part of the reason people "look at you as if you were crazy" when you talk about real conspiracies is because the truth has been associated with all the tin foil hat crappola such as what you find on this thread and everywhere else on the internets.

You have to wonder what kind of traction Watergate or Iran-Contra would have had with today's information technology.

Google "Snowden" and "aliens" versus "Snowden" and "the Salvador Option'" and look at the difference in how many hits you get.

And if you want wild speculation about organized dis/misinformation, it's pretty interesting how Walmart closes these stores and almost instantly this Jade Helm story appears fully formed all over the web including people vigorously defending it and calling people who disagree "shills." That's as legitimately suspicious as any aspect of this if one is going to indulge in paranoia.

A tid-bit of extra info that may or may not be related to this sudden 6 month closure of Wal-Mart stores;

"Oklahoma Governor announces sudden plan to vacate Governor's mansion for 6 months, due to 'sudden repair work'.."

www.disclose.tv...

Curious timing, given these Wal-Mart stores have basically said the same thing...a very long and unusual, unforeseen repair works...

What could this mean, if anything, when looking at the same closures by Wal-Mart announcing the same time-frame for unscheduled repair works?


Something fishy or not?

a reply to: tanka418

originally posted by: ObjectZero
a reply to: tanka418

Has anyone figured out yet what was the same between all the stores they shut down yet? Is there even anything they ties them together besides all being Walmart?

Has anyone figured out yet what was the same between all the stores they shut down yet? Is there even anything they ties them together besides all being Walmart?

Well, that's the thing; there doesn't seem to any common ground except for perhaps a Union...The military association falls apart because of the four states involved, only two of them participate in the exercise...The same hold for almost all speculation...can't involve all 5 stores.

With the singular exception of a Union busting attempt

Your conclusions are remarkable, but unfortunately in a bad way. I too have stated that union-busting is a possibility both with or without the conjunction to Jade Helm 15. But if you want to deny all connections between the 5 stores and the exercise, at least have enough intellect to consider that there could be more reasonable agendas behind the sudden closing of 5 stores. One being;

1) The 5 stores could have one of the highest employee costs among their supercenters, and their quick fix and "legal" tactic of adjusting that was to close the store and then hire new cheap labour. While getting rid of possible pro-union employees.

If im not mistaken, at least 1 off the closed stores was among the 10 best performing stores in the whole US. Firing possible costly employees and hire new cheap ones can most definitely give them a stronger long term profit while sending a message to both current and new employees.

Both me and others have stated the union-busting and employee switching tactic in previous comments, I have also stated that all the above can be relevant at the same time. Not just one, it's more likely that multiple reasons are behind the sudden closing of the 5 stores, including a connection to the upcoming exercise which so happens to align with the "renovation" timetable.

How about you calculate this on your government issued abacus. The probability of 5 Walmart supercenters (not just any Walmart because there are also discount stores, etc.) closing at the same time, and with a military exercise happen to be planned on the same 2 months of the year as the sudden 6 month "renovation" period, with the last month almost perfectly aligning with the end of the exercise. You should also take into count that 4/5 stores are within states that are participating in the exercise and 1/5 is located in a neighboring (hostile) state which is involved in the exercise, also consider that the majority of stores (3/5) are actually situated in states which either are red or have a red patch (hostile) in regard to the Jade Helm 15 exercise.

Correct me if im wrong, but wouldent it be enormously more likely that 2 or at least 1 of the closed stores would be situated far from (or at least not in neighboring) states involved in the exercise, in other words in, 1 out of 42 states, or 1 out of 34 states? (Colorado not participating any more, but Mississippi and Florida are)

4/5 stores are located in the the states involved in Jade Helm 15
1/5 stores is located in a neighboring hostile state involved in the exercise
3/5 (could be 4 including Florida) stores are located in states which according to the exercise are considered "hostile", hence the red color of the states (1/3 CA is located in a red/blue state, but still in very close proximity to the red patch)

For me to buy what you so eagerly are trying to force down our throats - "that there is NO chance of the 5 stores participating in the exercise and that there are no connection between the stores and the exercise what so ever" - All stores must meet the following criterias:

1) At least 2/5 stores not being located within or in neighboring states participating in Jade Helm 15.
2) Not be closed during the same months as the exersise is active.
3) Not end their 6 month "renovation" at the same time as the exercise ends.
4) Not having any ties what so ever to DHS and FEMA.
5) Not be located within driving distances from military bases within states participating in the exercise.

Unfortunately for both you and your argument, that's is not the case! And for you to say over and over that there are no possible connections between the stores and Jade Helm 15, is utterly ignorant and laughable.

We, nor any of the 2200 folks now jobless, will never be told the truth.

Ok, so now all of a sudden we will never know the truth.. Well guys, I guess tanka418 closed the discussion with that groundbreaking statement.

And btw, cute that you called in a mod to delete my credentials in the other post, the mod did however for no apparent reason keep the first quote connected to my credential story. And yeah also, so we are clear, the odds of you being a retired electrical/software engineer is as probable as me floating in mid air solely based on mind-power. I know you have built up a facade to portray yourself as some kind of probability-wizard, like you happily mention in threads, because you think you can ”bust” arguments with this single-point notion, and you also write like a 20+ year old using abbreviations while addressing members with "dude" and "man".. So please drop the act and either alight yourself with honesty and logical thinking or find another hobby.

a reply to: tanka418

When it comes to your RFID - 100m comment, which btw, is utterly sad that you even put energy into, considering; it was one sentence in a long and elaborate post which showed many proven facts between Walmart’s and DHS’s partnership, and second, because you still can't provide facts behind your statements, and last, because you know the possibilities of both the tech as well as the connections between Walmart and DHS.

You still only produce baseless words backed by your ”look at me I’m an retired engineer” statement. Your efforts at calculations so far are laughable, with no formal red line, neither of vital numbers in the calculation itself nor logic in aspect to possibile variables. In other words, you twist everything to you own advantage with zero aspect to reality.

I merely stated the possibilities involving this technology, which are in fact implementable. You on the other hand are doing the same thing as always, picking out certain parts in which you think you can "get" people at, while happily ignoring surrounding facts in the hopes of boosting your ego and agenda. There is a legitimate reason why there is a ongoing debate about the concerns of the tech and it’s possible applications.

So now you have all that "smart dust" moving around and dumping it's data to every activating field it encounters...thus; millions of terabytes received every second

I can admitt that putting "smart dust" on every single wallmart product in an effort to monitor "potential terrorists” is a bad way to go about it, not that I have stated it, but it is. The best way I can come up with is including them in member-cards, credit-cards (in relation to Walmart, in other cases mobile phones powered by it's internal battery) or something personalized you carry with you. The specific card gets a number which is connected to your identity log. Like many of your calculations, I don't see the logic in "millions of terabytes received every second" The smart dust chip uses 128-bit, if for example; 400000000 chips would be tracked that means: 51200000000 bits (400 000 000 x 128 bit) or 5,96 gb of data/second. www.matisse.net... And that is in relation to that every single chip is moving at all times, which is astronomically unlikely. The only time data is stored/re-written is when the chip connects with another reader, if the chip stays put the information will not be stored again. The information (ID-sequence) it sends are binary and in the form of numbers (1/0), the reader then sends that info to the hub, which connects the persons ID-sequence with coordinates from the readers position.

There are many different applications and techs involving RFID, some are passive and powered by electromagnetic induction from magnetic fields and other passive devices collects energy from radio waves. Then there are active chips, which uses a internal battery and these deceives can be tracked within 100m, like I stated. The tech involved is growing rapidly, and nano-battaries as well as wireless charging will change the future of active RFID-chips. And as I have stated in a previous comment regarding number of readers and their range: "The more the better is the preferred mindset, that way they can pinpoint the location of the chip and it's movement."

There is not a computer system on the Earth that can handle that kind of processing load, the only thing you can do is store it, and you will find that the hard drive manufacturers won't be able to keep up...you will start loosing data...the is no other option

It's not the 90's any more and nobody is suggesting that the 400 million chips are going to stream blue-ray movies non stop. The option of re-writing is also possible.

By the way...it seems that an international Union (a REAL Union) as stepped in to help out the 2200 Walmart workers...they are saying the layoffs (firings) and store closures were retaliation for worker activism

Well that's awesome, but still no links/sources. I would however want to see them so please share. Because if that's true this will confirm one of my suspicions as well. Cool!

There...backed up, on all points, without using any conjecture

Which "points” exactly (plural) would that be? And to be honest, you have been full of conjecture up until now, that is if you post the sources and that it really is the legitimate reason. And just so we are clear, based on the things you wrote, this doesn’t confirm your, mine and others suspicion that the closing was solely union related. It only shows that a international union have stepped in to help the workers, and that this union (or workers?) are saying that the closures were retaliation for worker activism. Something they of course will suggest, being that they do the things they do and want to emphasize their cause. The fact of the matter is, Walmart has not stated the "legitimate" reason behind the closing and there could still be many other contributing factors involved.

I will continue to conclude that there could be a chance of the 5 stores playing a part in the upcoming Jade Helm 15 exercise, because as I have stated, I believe a number of reasons are involved and as we can see, the Walmart-DHS-FEMA connections are pretty extensive.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Well that's awesome, but still no links/sources.

Here you go, took me about 3 seconds to find with a search. Although I agree the other poster should have just included it, certainly wasn't hard to find.

www.bostonglobe.com...

The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union filed a charge on behalf of OUR Walmart with the National Labor Relations Board on Monday, arguing the closings were retaliation for labor activism. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. says it closed the stores to fix plumbing issues. One affected store, in Pico Rivera, Calif., has been a hotbed for worker protests.

ETA: Another source with more information.

It has yet to be seen what the NLRB will do in response. But in 2013, the board announced it would prosecute Walmart for violating workers’ rights by retaliating against workers who went on strike or attempted to unionize after it reviewed a variety of charges and found merit in those lodged against stores in 13 states.

thinkprogress.org...

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology

Well that's awesome, but still no links/sources. I would however want to see them so please share. Because if that's true this will confirm one of my suspicions as well. Cool!

Looks like you're not reading all of the thread, either.

I posted a link to the New York Times article about this on the previous page.

a reply to: Pimpish

It's not that I can't find sources by myself, something both you and other should know based on the legitimate and government-issued publications I have posted. But frankly I'm pretty fed up with tanka418's comments, which solely are based on his own words. But thank's for posting them in response to my request to tanka418, nice that you guys are helping each other out.

I'm very keen on information, all sorts of information, and after your contribution I read the attached sources. And like I have stated before, tanka418 is twisting words like there is no tomorrow in an effort to emphasize his own statements.

The first source you posted clearly states:

The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union filed a charge on behalf of OUR Walmart with the National Labor Relations Board on Monday, arguing the closings were retaliation for labor activism.

www.bostonglobe.com...

And this is tanka418's take on that information:

They are saying the layoffs (firings) and store closures were retaliation for worker activism

The second source you posted states the following:

A spokesperson said: “We don’t believe there is any basis for an injunction.”
Workers in Pico Rivera, however, contend that the closing is in retaliation for the extensive organizing action at that location It was the first store to experience a strike in 2012, before workers began staging regular strikes against the company to demand higher pay and the right to form a union.

thinkprogress.org...

So we can see that the Walmart spokesperson seems to feel like they don't have anything to worry about regarding the unions injunction in connection the closed stores. We can also see, like I stated in my response to your pal, that both the union and the workers will of course believe that there is a connection to their cause. Especially "Luna" and her union-coworkers who was involved in both the strike in 2012 and the protest last november at Pico Rivera.

To be honest, this sadly doesn't prove anything. Only conjecture, which your pal seems to be against but happily embracing it when it involves his own statements.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
a reply to: tanka418

When it comes to your RFID - 100m comment, which btw, is utterly sad that you even put energy into, considering; it was one sentence in a long and elaborate post which showed many proven facts between Walmart’s and DHS’s partnership, and second, because you still can't provide facts behind your statements, and last, because you know the possibilities of both the tech as well as the connections between Walmart and DHS.

You still only produce baseless words backed by your ”look at me I’m an retired engineer” statement. Your efforts at calculations so far are laughable, with no formal red line, neither of vital numbers in the calculation itself nor logic in aspect to possibile variables. In other words, you twist everything to you own advantage with zero aspect to reality.

Please! If you doubt what I've said...then PLEASE go as any other EE about it...he will tell you exactly the same.

What I stated, the "calculations" and any values I used are ALL SUPPORTED by electromagnetic theory.

Your reaction to modern Electromagnetic theory, and Electrical Engineering serves only to show that not only are you seriously uneducated, but, don't even care if you convey truth. Your only desire is to seed fear, uncertainty, and obfuscate the reality of this matter, and probably may others as well.

You associations between Walmart and DHS, or indeed any other governmental agency is irrelevant to the present issue. These irrelevancies are obvious on the face of it, yet, despite the existence of data that is more relevant, more consistent with any kind of organized query, you still insist that your wild doom porn has validity.

So...in the final analysis we find that ALL of the data supports my position, and yours has no foundation at all.

originally posted by: Pimpish
a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Well that's awesome, but still no links/sources.

Here you go, took me about 3 seconds to find with a search. Although I agree the other poster should have just included it, certainly wasn't hard to find.

Actually, there is a valid scientific reason behind not providing a link in some cases. In this case it allows me (us) to test some of the voracity of his position, statements, and desire to get at the truth.

Unfortunately, he failed. What this is showing us is that Crowdpsychlogy isn't willing, to do his "due diligence" in connection to any query project. It is also showing us his prejudices in regards to day to day information we all need to process to be successful in the world.

So we end up with what we have here; a small cadre of confused folk (100 or less) who think that there is some dark governmental conspiracy, and a large group of people (10000's) who believe something else, probably much more realistic.

In any case; I'm out...I don't have to put up with the slings and arrows of uneducated children IF I don't want to.