Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: tanka418

Provide fully detailed evidence regardig plumbing-issues and I will be the first to shut up about it.

You should try to pay attention...I NEVER stated that I thought there were "plumbing" problems...in fact, I stated rather outrageous probability that the issue was anything like "plumbing", and that the reason must be something else. Currently probability still favors the "Union busting" ploy...something that potentially can save Walmart 10's of millions of dollars (pretty good motivation there). Although, there isn't really any decent evidence to indicate the true motivations.

You could have debunked any story with some facts on the matter, but diceded to mess around with sophistry instead.

Blabla and assumptions don't expose expertise at all, that's why I coulnd't care less about your take on this matter.


You have a nice day now!

Actually, it wasn't me, but rather you and Crowdpsychology that has engaged in the use of false statements. All I have done is post some simple probabilities, and of course ask that you actually show some connection in all this between Walmart and Jade helm...which you haven't, and can't.

As for your "take" on this...it is seriously skewed.

So...why don't you try to find some real data, use real science / investigative method, and actually come up with something plausible.

a reply to: tanka418

Hey all good man. I'm just sharing what I'm finding and let others interpret what the see.

a reply to: tanka418

Well we can look in to the Union busting part, there should be a paper trail or at least info on the unions that where to be setup and what areas they are going to setup in.

Do unions normally setup shop in five different location at the same time and why only five? I would figure if they wanted to setup a union it would have included more stores, and shutting down five would have been like a drop in the bucket to the union.

Has anyone figured out yet what was the same between all the stores they shut down yet? Is there even anything they ties them together besides all being Walmart?

originally posted by: ObjectZero
a reply to: tanka418


Has anyone figured out yet what was the same between all the stores they shut down yet? Is there even anything they ties them together besides all being Walmart?

Well, that's the thing; there doesn't seem to any common ground except for perhaps a Union...The military association falls apart because of the four states involved, only two of them participate in the exercise...The same hold for almost all speculation...can't involve all 5 stores.

With the singular exception of a Union busting attempt. You ask "why only 5? As I understand it, the CAlif. store was a "front runner" in the Unionization attempt by the employees, and at least one of the Texas stores doesn't spear to be involved at all...

We can "see" that the closing of 5 seemingly random stores does not affect Walmart's profit margin at all as they represent about 0.06% of Walmart.

What we actually do know, and can probably agree upon; "Walmart is lying about this."...like a rug on the floor!

Unfortunately, we, nor any of the 2200 folks now jobless, will never be told the truth.

originally posted by: s1ngular1ty
a reply to: tanka418

Hey all good man. I'm just sharing what I'm finding and let others interpret what the see.

Oh okay...don't leave out the Green '52 Chevy then...ya never know for sure!

a reply to: tanka418

...The military association falls apart because of the four states involved, only two of them participate in the exercise...The same hold for almost all speculation...can't involve all 5 stores.

I beg to differ:

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Well anyway Yellowstone is a new idea so why not think about it.
Ash distribution from your link, closed stores from indigent's post, JDhelm from Anonamouscitizen(sp) post

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there does seem to be a lot of overlap in the areas doesn't there.

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a reply to: tanka418

"I'm a retired Electrical / Software Engineer..."

[MOD Snip]

I have forgotten more about those technologies than you will ever know

Does that mean that if I know 80% about these technologies, you have forgotten around 100% of what you knew about those technologies.

Seems likely to me, because you have still not produced any facts that state that the 100m range is impossible and why the things I stated regarding RFID-chips are illogical in today's world. I actually beg the differ, in line with all the massive surveillance bills and intel-gathering hybris. Money, motive, initiative, profitable applications are all there. What more do you need!

It was hard to pick up everything you wrote because of your denial, but I did manage to pinpoint some of your words;

denydenydenydenydenydenydenydenyNot that it wouldn't be possibledenydenydenydenydenydenydeny
denydenydenydenydenyyoudenydenydenyhas showndenyconnection between Walmart and Jade Helmdenyindeeddenydenydeny. While I have stated that; probabilistically Walmart would be far more interested in some sort of elaborate Union busting scheme

I have also stated that union-busting can be a relevant reasons, meanwhile stating and proven based on goverment documents that Walmart have a well outlined partnership with many government agencies, including DHS and FEMA which plays vital roles in drills, exercises and preparedness. In my initial comment on page 15, I stated that there could be a number of reasons involved at the same time, and that if a union-busting tactic extended over 6 months was planned in advance by Walmart and which align with the time of the exercise, it would be a perfect occasion to be apart of and contribute to Jade Helm 15 to rehearse their and the governments preparedness partnership. And yeah, I wouldn't say like you stated, that I have shown connections between Walmart and Jade Helm 15, I have merely shown signs that there could be a chance that the 5 closed stores are going to be involved in the upcoming exercise. No doom porn, no martial law, no fear mongering, just a suggested probability based on documented facts.

Do you know what's unbecoming? Making arrogant statements like yours with zero links or documented facts behind the them.

Last night I was playing cards and speaking with somebody who has worked for Wally World basically their entire life. I brought up the five stores closing, and I took a couple things from that conversation to share here.

This person immediately concluded this is union related.

As far as closing an entire store due to "plumbing issues", as many have stated here, that has to be BS. I was told a story of how a certain Walmart ended up with a rodent infestation in one of the main support beams or something like that. Point is, they didn't shut down the entire store, just closed that section until the issue was resolved.

I was told if you work for this corporation you aren't to even utter the word union, unless you want to land in hot water, and they have no problem shutting down an entire store, even permanently if the employees gain any momentum or support from the union.

So even my paranoid conspiracy ridden mind must conclude this has nothing to do with Jade Helm.

Except one small part still has me a bit doomish, What's up with the police presence?

a reply to: Crowdpsychology
Hey great points my friend. When I came across the videos I was actually on break at work (I work a lot, and in many of my posts I mention that I have to clock back in lol). I just happened to find it interesting. I'm trying to analyze this situation from all possible angles. Do I adhere to the theory that those videos subscribe to? Not fully, no. At this point, I can't say that I have a strong belief in any of the theories. I can only say that some appear to have more ground than others. I do believe somewhere around page 14 of this thread, a user made a very good, and clear cut argument as to why this is not Union deterrent strategy of some kind. So, in turn, that theory is low on my list of possibilities, but I'm still open to it.

What I do believe at this point, is that the plumbing issue excuse is some sort of farce. The evidence presented so far is clearly to the contrary of that particular reasoning being valid. The police presence at these Walmart locations is also unusual to an extent, and I don't think sinkholes are the cause of the shutdowns either. There would be no legitimate reason to cover such a thing up. It just wouldn't make any sense.

So where are we with this? Lol it's almkst irritating not knowing why these poor workers were laid off on such short notice. I happen to be a very big advocate of unions in the workplace. I've been at my currebt employer for nearly two years. I'm in a union. Workers deserve the kind of protection and benefits they provide. They prevent an establishment from getting away this kind of bull#.

So, I guess this is probably just aliens.

a reply to: DelMarvel

2 out of the 5 Walmarrts in question aren't even on this map so I don't see how it's relevant.

Your sudden realization and hasty conclusion reminds me of a situation which can occur during conversations. You know when 3 people stand and discuss something, and then one leaves to the bathroom and comes back 10 min later with a lacking understanding of what has been said while away but still tries to contribute based the available knowledge about the subject.

In your case I would suggest you read the pages in this thread. It has been stated that the area of the exersise has been extended to Mississippi and Florida. The only one that is not on the Jade Helm 15 map, but still a neighboring state is Oklahoma.

Speaking of the exercise at the Brazos County Commissioners Court in Texas last month, Jade Helm Operations Planner and retired Green Beret Thomas Mead told an audience that the drill, which will run from July 15 to September 15, will now include the states Mississippi and Florida.

“The exercise is actually an eight-week exercise taking place across seven states,” Mead explains. “ "As you can see right there, it spans the whole southwest of the United States. We’ve also added Mississippi and we have a group also working out of Florida.”

Audio from the Brazos County Commissioners Court in Texas:
wtaw.com...

And btw, the map below is the genuine map that both media and other publishers have used since the beginning. It contains the deployments, threat level based on colors, etc. Only 1 out of the 10 biggest newspapers in the US have acknowledged the exercise, the other haven’t mentioned them at all and nothing can be showed in their in-search function on their websites.


www.washingtonpost.com...

The Wall Street Journal — 2,378,827 (includes 898,102 digital editions)The
New York Times — 1,865,318 (includes 1,133,923 digital editions)USA
Today — 1,674,306 (includes 249,900 digital editions)
Los Angeles Times — 653,868 (includes 177,720 digital editions and 43,275 branded editions)
Daily News of New York — 516,165 (includes 155,706 digital editions)
New York Post — 500,521 (includes 200,571 digital editions)
The Washington Post — 474,767 (includes 42,313 digital editions and 1,305 branded editions)
Chicago Sun-Times — 470,548 (includes 77,660 digital editions and 208,087 branded editions)
The Denver Post — 416,676 (includes 192,805 digital editions and 10,041 branded editions)
Chicago Tribune — 414,930 (includes 46,785 digital editions)

MacDill Air Force Base (MCF) in Tampa, Florida - Walmart store in Brandon, Florida



US Marine base Camp Pendleton - Walmart store in Pico Rivera, California



Tulsa Air National Guard Base (TANGB) - Walmart store in Tulsa, Oklahoma



Fort Bliss, El Paso, Texas - Walmart store in North Midland, Texas



US Homeland Security base, at the Ellington Field Joint Reserve Base (EFJRB) in Houston, Texas - Walmart store in Livingston, Texas

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Colorado also backed out of the operation.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

I would be interested to know if there are other stores closer to these locations than the ones closed, and if there are, and these are linked to the exercises, then what is the specific significance of these particular stores if there are others closer?

a reply to: GoShredAK

Most likely the police are there to make sure no one checks up on the plumbing story. If it is found out the the plumbing is ok and no work is really being done. I'll favor the unions and back fire on Corp'. They'll have more backing and most likely get more media coverage. They would start taking a real lose in profit, even if it is still a small amount to them.

So betting it's keeping the laid off works or anyone with a camera from snooping around and posting up a video of what's really going on.

a reply to: GoShredAK

and they have no problem shutting down an entire store, even permanently if the employees gain any momentum or support from the union.

Would spreading the union attached workers to various other stores not just spread the problem? If they intent to not rehire any whom they believe are union connected, that would not work in CA. They can't just sent some to other stores and tell others no more job unless of course they don't mind the lawsuit which maybe they don't.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology

US Marine base Camp Pendleton - Walmart store in Pico Rivera, California

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That's just ridiculous.

Camp Pendelton is 77 miles away from the Pico Rivera store.

Why would they shut down a store in the LA metropolitan area for this?

Why not one of the nine Walmarts in the area of Camp Pendleton?

Or one of the 15 Walmarts in San Diego which is 20 miles closer?

Or any of the 20- 30 some Walmarts between Camp Pendleton and the Pico Rivera store?

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: GoShredAK

and they have no problem shutting down an entire store, even permanently if the employees gain any momentum or support from the union.

Would spreading the union attached workers to various other stores not just spread the problem? If they intent to not rehire any whom they believe are union connected, that would not work in CA. They can't just sent some to other stores and tell others no more job unless of course they don't mind the lawsuit which maybe they don't.

Mangement is usually not involved in Union. They would likely get shipped to other stores.

A group representing Walmart workers laid off after the abrupt closing of five stores last week planned to seek an injunction on Monday from the National Labor Relations Board that would require the retailer to rehire all 2,200 affected workers.

.. a claim set to be filed on Monday by the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union with the National Labor Relations Board says that the closings were in retaliation for a history of labor activism at one of the shuttered stores, in Pico Rivera, Calif. The union is acting on behalf of Our Walmart, a group that has helped the stores’ workers air their claims, but is not a union itself.

www.nytimes.com...

To explain the police presence, just know in Schenectady New York (Rotterdam) the police are ordered to be at walmart by the town during black Friday. With a odd situation and prescription drugs still being sold, and a big store full of good being shutdown, this could be town ordered.

Another thouht just occurred to me:

At this point for sure, but also from the start, wouldn't it have made much more sense for Walmart to say:

"We're temporarily closing these stores to do our patriotic duty and participate in military exercises THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANNOUNCED."