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Take YOUR Kid Out of School Without Permission? Court Will Take Your Furniture...or Jail Term.

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posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: FlyingFox
Public school in PA during the 1980s was out of control. Now I can only imagine. Educators, above the run-of-the-mill school teacher are some of the most demented people you will observe.


It is so true, all public sector unionized professions are filled with bizarrely entitled grandees.

Teacher's unions just happen to hold our children hostage as well.




posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: FlyingFox
Public school in PA during the 1980s was out of control. Now I can only imagine. Educators, above the run-of-the-mill school teacher are some of the most demented people you will observe.


Great. You complained.

Now, what is your solution?



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: Annee

The complete elimination of all public educational institutions and facilities as well as the laying off of all personnel.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Annee is correct. You pay federal and state taxes. The federal and state government takes that money and appropriates it to fund schools. They make the decision on who gets the funding. Part of the schools' funding is based on how many students are attending - doesn't that make some sort of sense? More students = more funding to take care of their education. Less students = less funding is needed. When students don't show up to school - it means they aren't getting educated for those days they are out - thus the school doesn't get the funding for those kids.

That IS simply the way it works. Don't like it? Talk to your congressmen/women about having school funding not being based on attendance. Good luck with that. Your other option is private school or home school.


"Your other option is private school or home school. "

It's been brought up that this is an Academy.

Now what?

Jude11


I've never heard of a private school having the legal authority to have you put in jail. Usually, they don't care as long as you pay your tuition. Maybe they have to report excessive absences to the state, who may want to know if you have moved them to another private school or if you are now homeschooling. I would think it would be the government getting involved at that point - not the private school. The OP is talking about U.K. not the U.S., so I'm not sure of the laws in that case. In the U.S. - it works the way I said.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Annee

The complete elimination of all public educational institutions and facilities as well as the laying off of all personnel.


Oh Yeah!

Brilliant solution.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Yes. It is.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
The OP is talking about U.K. not the U.S., so I'm not sure of the laws in that case. In the U.S. - it works the way I said.


Yes, that's why I made sure I specified I'm talking America's education system.

Something else could be going on in the UK. But, I'd guess their public system is similar.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Annee

Yes. It is.


Wrong. Eliminating something because you don't have a clue how to fix it is not a solution.

Especially a brilliant one.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: jude11

Well, you seem very loyal and grateful to your Govt. so nothing can be said to change anything here.



Why?

Because I presented factual information?
No. You're correct on that. It is unfortunately factual. What's troubling is your blithe attitude toward those facts. Actually what's even more troubling is your support of the system regarding those facts.

How come a scene from Metropolis just went flashing thru my head?


It is your interpretation that my attitude is blithe.

I never said one way or the other how I felt about it.
Why don't you share that with us?


Public school is a privilege. It guarantees a minimal education for every child. Not all countries have this privilege.

Yes, all citizens pay for it with taxes, but if everyone had to pay out of pocket - - many children would not be able to go.

Education is the first key to being a productive citizen. Citizens make up a society. I favor an educated one.

The system to pay for Public school requires a financial plan of what each school costs. Determining cost depends on the number of students. Payment is made only if child is in attendance.

Like I said - - it is what it is.

You got a better plan?



You believe that these parents taking their kid out of school for a few days on a vacation was detrimental to the system? Would it have been ok if the kid were home sick? Not sure how any reasonable person could see the government's reaction to this instance, as reasonable. I'm actually not sure how anyone who believes in a constitutional government would see this as a reasonable action - entering into someone's home to remove articles to sell at auction to satisfy a fine. You believe in debtor's prisons too?

I don't disagree that an education is a privilege. So how many children do you think are truant each and every day throughout the US? Are those parents fined? I know it's possible for it to get to that level or even jail time if a child is proven to be excessively truant because of the parent, but how many times do you believe that realistically happens?



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:50 PM
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Sweyne Park School is a Coeducational secondary school situated in Rayleigh, Essex, England, with specialised provision for hearing-impaired pupils.[1] The school was formed in September 1997 following the amalgamation of The Sweyne School and The Park School. The Headteacher is Mr Andy Hodgkinson MA (Oxon) who took the position in 2006, following the death of the highly respected founding Headteacher, Kate Spiller B.Ed., M.A.

The school is an 11-18 academy academy status (with a roll of 1240 pupils), having opened a sixth form in September 2014 with the addition of a sixth form to which 140 students, including 15 external students, will be admitted in Year 12.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: jude11

Well, you seem very loyal and grateful to your Govt. so nothing can be said to change anything here.



Why?

Because I presented factual information?
No. You're correct on that. It is unfortunately factual. What's troubling is your blithe attitude toward those facts. Actually what's even more troubling is your support of the system regarding those facts.

How come a scene from Metropolis just went flashing thru my head?


It is your interpretation that my attitude is blithe.

I never said one way or the other how I felt about it.
Why don't you share that with us?


Public school is a privilege. It guarantees a minimal education for every child. Not all countries have this privilege.

Yes, all citizens pay for it with taxes, but if everyone had to pay out of pocket - - many children would not be able to go.

Education is the first key to being a productive citizen. Citizens make up a society. I favor an educated one.

The system to pay for Public school requires a financial plan of what each school costs. Determining cost depends on the number of students. Payment is made only if child is in attendance.

Like I said - - it is what it is.

You got a better plan?



You believe that these parents taking their kid out of school for a few days on a vacation was detrimental to the system?


What part of "its about the money" are you missing?

No student - - no money.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: Bilk22

This should answer your question if it happens in America.




Mother Of 7 Jailed For Kids' Truancy Fines Found Dead In Cell

More than 1,600 people have been jailed in Berks County alone — two-thirds of them women — over truancy fines since 2000, the Reading Eagle reported Wednesday. Reading, the county seat, is about 60 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


edit on 10-4-2015 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: jude11

Well, you seem very loyal and grateful to your Govt. so nothing can be said to change anything here.



Why?

Because I presented factual information?
No. You're correct on that. It is unfortunately factual. What's troubling is your blithe attitude toward those facts. Actually what's even more troubling is your support of the system regarding those facts.

How come a scene from Metropolis just went flashing thru my head?


It is your interpretation that my attitude is blithe.

I never said one way or the other how I felt about it.
Why don't you share that with us?


Public school is a privilege. It guarantees a minimal education for every child. Not all countries have this privilege.

Yes, all citizens pay for it with taxes, but if everyone had to pay out of pocket - - many children would not be able to go.

Education is the first key to being a productive citizen. Citizens make up a society. I favor an educated one.

The system to pay for Public school requires a financial plan of what each school costs. Determining cost depends on the number of students. Payment is made only if child is in attendance.

Like I said - - it is what it is.

You got a better plan?



You believe that these parents taking their kid out of school for a few days on a vacation was detrimental to the system?


What part of "its about the money" are you missing?

No student - - no money.
Yes, yes. It's always about the money. So I take it you believe debtor's prisons are a good thing too. OK got it. That's about the money too, isn't it?



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bilk22

This should answer your question if it happens in America.




Mother Of 7 Jailed For Kids' Truancy Fines Found Dead In Cell

www.huffingtonpost.com...

That didn't seem like such a good response to the situation, now did it? There's your debtor's prison.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bilk22

This should answer your question if it happens in America.




Mother Of 7 Jailed For Kids' Truancy Fines Found Dead In Cell

www.huffingtonpost.com...

That didn't seem like such a good response to the situation, now did it? There's your debtor's prison.


The debtor's prisons was one person's opinion. Of course, you had to single that out - - from an entire article.

Did you catch this part?

We're not talking ONE student.



More than 1,600 people have been jailed in Berks County alone — two-thirds of them women — over truancy fines since 2000, the Reading Eagle reported Wednesday. Reading, the county seat, is about 60 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

edit on 10-4-2015 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bilk22

This should answer your question if it happens in America.




Mother Of 7 Jailed For Kids' Truancy Fines Found Dead In Cell

www.huffingtonpost.com...

That didn't seem like such a good response to the situation, now did it? There's your debtor's prison.


The debtor's prisons was one person's opinion. Of course, you had to single that out - - from an entire article.

Did you catch this part?

We're not talking ONE student.



More than 1,600 people have been jailed in Berks County alone — two-thirds of them women — over truancy fines since 2000, the Reading Eagle reported Wednesday. Reading, the county seat, is about 60 miles northwest of Philadelphia.
Yeah and they all couldn't pay the fines so they went to jail. They went to jail because their kids didn't go to school. Great solution to the problem, huh?

Edit: It was the headline of the article. Tough not to single it out.
edit on 16802Fridayk22 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: jude11

Well, you seem very loyal and grateful to your Govt. so nothing can be said to change anything here.



Why?

Because I presented factual information?
No. You're correct on that. It is unfortunately factual. What's troubling is your blithe attitude toward those facts. Actually what's even more troubling is your support of the system regarding those facts.

How come a scene from Metropolis just went flashing thru my head?


It is your interpretation that my attitude is blithe.

I never said one way or the other how I felt about it.
Why don't you share that with us?


Public school is a privilege. It guarantees a minimal education for every child. Not all countries have this privilege.

Yes, all citizens pay for it with taxes, but if everyone had to pay out of pocket - - many children would not be able to go.

Education is the first key to being a productive citizen. Citizens make up a society. I favor an educated one.

The system to pay for Public school requires a financial plan of what each school costs. Determining cost depends on the number of students. Payment is made only if child is in attendance.

Like I said - - it is what it is.

You got a better plan?



You believe that these parents taking their kid out of school for a few days on a vacation was detrimental to the system?


What part of "its about the money" are you missing?

No student - - no money.
Yes, yes. It's always about the money. So I take it you believe debtor's prisons are a good thing too. OK got it. That's about the money too, isn't it?



You want to derail the thread with Debtor's Prisons?

I'm not going there.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: Bilk22

Edit: It was the headline of the article. Tough not to single it out.


Debtor's Prison was not in the headline.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Annee

Yes. It is.


Wrong. Eliminating something because you don't have a clue how to fix it is not a solution.

Especially a brilliant one.


Actually, I am intimately familiar with the situation and it is in fact the only recourse that we have.

I am frankly astonished that you appear to be solely concerned with the revenue stream of the schools and the salaries of the teachers and administrators rather than the education and civil treatment of our children.

I am glad that you are being very open about your understanding though, I am regularly chastised for claiming that yours is the predominant attitude among our educators.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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The plot thickens.

The school is a Special Needs school. It falls under a specific Act.

Money comes from a grant.




The Children and Families Act 2014 imposes certain duties on local authorities (LAs), the administrative areas responsible for the provision of statutory education for England. For special educational needs (SEN), Part 3 of the Children and Families Act replaces duties for children with SEN under the Education Act 1996 and for young people with learning difficulties and disabilities under the Learning and Skills Act 2000. However, the previous legislation will still apply to children with SEN statements until March 2018 and young people with learning difficulties and disabilities until August 2016. The Children and Families Act also places duties with regard to children and young people with disabilities and SEN on other bodies, such as health commissioning bodies.

www.european-agency.org...



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