Take YOUR Kid Out of School Without Permission? Court Will Take Your Furniture...or Jail Term.

a reply to: jude11

reality check [ or what really happened ] :

take your kids out of school

dont appear @ court [ get convicted ]

refuse to pay £120 fine

appeal conviction

loose apeal

still refuse to pay fine [ now probally aprox £300 ]

repeat above for 5 months

look surprised when bailifs turn up - despite having had several letters warning they would

panic - call granny and get her to pay £1000 more than she would if they had paid in november

bleat about aledged " injustice "

Why does this Annee fella keep banging on about the American system and how wonderful it is and how anything but complete adherence to it is abnormal behaviour that needs stamping on? Is he just trolling or did he really raise three generations in such a dictatorial manner? Or is he just trolling?

We're talking about the English school system, the English tax system, the English judicial system and English court appointed officials.

Stay on topic or start a thread about the subject your dictating about and stop hijacking this one!

a reply to: jude11
When a child is born it does not belong to anyone but when you go and register it you have handed over the child to the state.
When you buy a car it might belong to you but when you register it to the DVLA they will send you a piece of paper which states that you are now the 'registered KEEPER' of the vehicle.

The way the system works is - money is printed when a child is born. When registering the arrival of a child the state needs to know what jobs the parents do and then it is worked out how much money that child will earn. That child is owned by the state and the state expects that child to produce money. Going to school is programming the child to be part of the system.
If you do not register your child then the state will never be able to take the child away.

Watch this presentation by John Harris which may uncover the reason why parents are forced to send their children to school. Registering a child is turning them into a bonded slave.

John Harris gives us his perspective on what's going on. He describes how we are economic slaves to a debt dependant system, notably achieved through the deception of the birth certificate and the creation of a legal fiction known as your 'PERSON'. It is this PERSON that the government then wields it's control upon. Although John points out that this arrangement only works when we consent.

Unfortunately inaction is taken as consent, hence we have unwittingly surrendered our inalienable rights through identifying with the PERSON. Remember you are a human being with god given rights, all you have to do is claim them.

If anyone is unsure if this is what happens here in the UK I can confirm that this is true.

You need to ask permission from the school before you can take your child out of school during term time.

If you do not get permission from the school then you can indeed get fined. If you fail to pay this fine you can be taken to court.

Due to personal circumstances last year we had to change our holiday date to a time when my daughter would be at school . It was a week before the schools broke up for the summer holidays.

We asked for permission and it was granted on the proviso that we take school work with us.

We went to Turkey and had our family holiday and my daughter completed the work given to her.

Now, if the school had said no and we still went to Turkey we would have been fined and the school would log down that we failed to follow their decision with the education authority.

My daughter goes to a state school and not a private school.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: redhorse

You can claim whatever you want.

I'm talking about America's school system - - - which sounds exactly the same.

You keep your child out of school - - - you are stealing from the government.

Hahaha holy buckets, you sound like you would argue in defense of those corrupt schools that were rorting the score system to achieve a higher overall student achievement, so they could get more funding.

All of those teachers were arrested and charged with fraud.

Stealing from the govt by removing your child from school.

Next, enforced pregnancy for all married couples, to ensure they contribute to government coffers. Fined and imprisoned for not having children. Minimum 3 children. 2 must be boys, because boys make men, while girls make babies.

you're brilliant.

originally posted by: Annee

Public school is a privilege. It guarantees a minimal education for every child. Not all countries have this privilege.

I'm fairly sure the US has no issue with the overall education of children. you do know the phrase, you can lead a horse to water? Right? Bums of Seats does not guarantee your next point...

Yes, all citizens pay for it with taxes, but if everyone had to pay out of pocket - - many children would not be able to go.

Education is the first key to being a productive citizen. Citizens make up a society. I favor an educated one.

Statistics, statistics and damned lies. if you prefer the pretense of education, so be it. Education does not necessarily equate with knowledge. Rote learning does not imply grasping a concept.

As long as we're not stealing from the govt. though, huh? The issue is not education regardless..

it's the penalty for not attending on a few days. Not bums on seats. To state the next is fallible.

The system to pay for Public school requires a financial plan of what each school costs. Determining cost depends on the number of students. Payment is made only if child is in attendance.

Like I said - - it is what it is.

You got a better plan?

The child is enrolled. How does attendance equate with less funding to a school? I do not know in all honesty how the system works there, but if they are paying some number crunching bureaucrat to sit there and count the number of students every single day, in order to allocate the correct amount of funding to a school, then priorities are blatantly flawed. And it has nothing to do with education if this is the way it is, it is to ensure indoctrination.

Try as you might to justify it, or play devils advocate, you're not going to come out without the ire of people who would argue against this to the last straw.

because with the way the world is, enforced government education is the last thing I expect to see blindly accepted by the populace, especially with law enforcement becoming involved to steal your possessions as punishment for your right to raise your own children.... given they are now shooting people, bashing people, blatantly.

it has nothing to do with how much a school gets paid. Unless that student is removed entirely.

and to justify this under the basis of preference of an educated society, well, have you seen the world lately? even some of those who finish their education are stupider than a bucket of nails in the rain....

but as long as we're not stealing from the government. *clicks shoes*

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: lovebeck

originally posted by: Annee
Here we go again.

Schools work on a very tight budget. They are paid only if student is in attendance.

You take your kid out of school - - you are stealing from the government.

You don't want your kid in a government school - - then pay for a private one.

The fact that one person thinks this way just goes to show how hypnotized society is.

It's NOT the school's KID! If parents want to take THEIR KID on a vacay, so be it. Back in the 80's and 90's my parents took me and my sister out of school for two, sometimes three weeks at a time to go to Florida to stay with our grandparents. The school knew ahead of time and we did our work while out of town.

It's absurd that the school then involved the authorities who are now trying to take these people's household belongings to settle the "debt" and that just adds to the total ridiculousness of the situation.

Good grief!

So, you choose to live in Fantasy Land instead of be knowledgeable of how life really is.

Good grief!

Annee, you seem to be becoming more and more informed on the topic as the thread progresses, yet your stance from the start was based on your own assumption. The more it unfolds in your favour, the more you stand up for it.

I find that a case of arguing a point, then finding facts to substantiate it.

If you, as your initial post stated, believe this is "here we go again" normal, the facts that you now determine are in your favour, are irrelevant. A "Special Needs" school.

So not only is the child a special needs student, but fining the parents, theft of their property, and/or imprisonment, seem a-ok in your opinion.

And as a self proclaimed 3rd generation child raiser, you see no problem in this? Do you shine your jackboots nightly, or just when you cannot see your face in them? honestly.

Just an observation with an obvious hint of sarcasm, because this thread will not end well. When someone thinks it is a good idea to put a parent in prison, or fine them both separately, for taking their child on vacation... it never had a chance.

I would like to point out that this rule of being fined if your child has an un- authorised absent IS NOT NEW!! It has been enforced for many many years. Can I also remind people that in Britain, most schools are run by a governing body. They hire the staff, they allocate the funding for each department and staff wages, they allocate funding for the equipment and they pay the buildings rent and costs. They put forward each year costings and audits on the schools outgoings. The pupil ratio to government money is allocated along with all the other costs. The governing body run the school and each school have policy's that the parent SIGN and are given a copy. These policy's are in place to protect the pupil and safeguard them from the evils of this world. The parents are not blind to the policy.
The head teacher is also governed by these policy's. They are the managers of the school. The policy's are LAW and are in accordance with the children's act.
Which ever way you fine folk want to argue the points of this thread, maybe you should read up a bit on what are the facts in the running of Britsh schools.

UK education is becoming money-orientated under this government, as is every other public service. It's not about taxpayers funding beneficial services to society any more, it's all about taking taxpayer cash and handing it over to private hands to profit from.

I won't quote the entire article, but follow the link to peruse a few interesting truths about the 'Academy' status that is becoming prevalent here in the UK:

www.newstatesman.com...

While all eyes are on the coalition's NHS reforms, Michael Gove's schools revolution continues apace with little discussion. Some on the left have raised objections to the creation of "free schools" - those new schools set up by groups of parents, teachers, charities and voluntary groups and funded by the Department for Education - and argue that they will lead to a two-tier, socially segregated system.

But it's the rise and rise of academies that is the real cause for concern. Academies are, to all intents and purposes, state-funded independent schools outside local authority control and the National Curriculum, which receive their funding directly from central government. As of March 2012, there were 1,635 academies in England, compared to 24 free schools. Most of them opened their doors from September 2010 onwards, with the blessing and encouragement of coalition ministers. More than 1.2 million pupils - one in seven pupils in state schools - now attend academies. Gove has said that the push to increase the number of academy schools "is not about ideology. It's an evidence-based, practical solution." Really?Here are ten things he and his supporters don't tell you.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: My_Reality
By your logic the childless tax payer is robbed by the government. Unreal. Don't like it? Discover common sense.

How do you people come up with this stuff?

Holy migraines.... What are you doing? Seriously. I cannot tell if you honestly believe the stuff you say or not.

If taxes are collected by the government (yes they are, we agree) and taxes fund a school (yes they do, we agree), do you think that childless joe bloggs has his taxes diverted to some other government facility?

Or are taxes distributed equally?

So a guy with no child, pays taxes that fund a public school.. for what - and remember, we're using your logic. In that keeping a child home from a public school is stealing from the government.

*shakes head*
*face palms*
*pours another drink*

a reply to: sn0rch
Children in society have to be indoctrinated - if they are not then the control system will fail.
Children don't just go to school to learn knowledge from books they go to learn that they are not the authority. They learn to respond to buzzers and bells just like Pavlov's dog.
If children are not schooled then they will be of no benefit to the corporations or the slave owners.

originally posted by: sn0rch

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: redhorse

You can claim whatever you want.

I'm talking about America's school system - - - which sounds exactly the same.

You keep your child out of school - - - you are stealing from the government.

Hahaha holy buckets, you sound like you would argue in defense of those corrupt schools that were rorting the score system to achieve a higher overall student achievement, so they could get more funding.

Where do I say I agree with any of this?

Oh brilliant one.

originally posted by: HumberWarrior
Why does this Annee fella keep banging on about the American system and how wonderful it is and how anything but complete adherence to it is abnormal behaviour that needs stamping on? Is he just trolling or did he really raise three generations in such a dictatorial manner? Or is he just trolling?

We're talking about the English school system, the English tax system, the English judicial system and English court appointed officials.

Stay on topic or start a thread about the subject your dictating about and stop hijacking this one!

I posted early on I was talking about American schools as the situation is comparible.

I researched the UK school --- it is a Special Needs school.

Also posted info on the UK Children and Families Act and Education Act 1996.

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You have contributed nothing to this discussion.

The Children and Families Act 2014 imposes certain duties on local authorities (LAs), the administrative areas responsible for the provision of statutory education for England. For special educational needs (SEN), Part 3 of the Children and Families Act replaces duties for children with SEN under the Education Act 1996 and for young people with learning difficulties and disabilities under the Learning and Skills Act 2000. However, the previous legislation will still apply to children with SEN statements until March 2018 and young people with learning difficulties and disabilities until August 2016. The Children and Families Act also places duties with regard to children and young people with disabilities and SEN on other bodies, such as health commissioning bodies.

www.european-agency.org...

a reply to: sussy

And I'll bet the parents of this academy were fully informed of the attendance policy and possible fines for non-attendance. So why all the shock and surprise?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

They don't force kids to go to school in Africa - except maybe South Africa where there are a lot of white people.
They don't even have accessible public education at all in many parts of Africa. How are those African kids doing with no education do ya think?

a reply to: vonclod

Some may miss a few days. Others may miss a few months. Average daily attendance.

a reply to: Bilk22

The first American public school was in 1635. They did not know what socialism was then. Why don't you republicans back off our education system? I don't want my grandchildren going to snotty private school. Send yours to private schools and leave the rest of us alone.

a reply to: MOMof3


Annee is the poster child for what the government wants from government schools.


I appreciate that some of you simply cannot believe what she is saying here, but you need to believe it.


This is the goal of the common core.


If you have kids in government schools, this is what they are doing to them.


Believe it.

a reply to: Seamrog

Fine. Send your kids to private schools if that is who you trust. I don't. Leave the public school alone for my grandchildren. Why do republicans want to destroy any any hope that a poor kid has? Private education is not an alternative if you can't get there.