Can someone show me evidence of man being created from dirt?

a reply to: GetHyped

Here's a newsflash: god did not write the bible because god is not a person.

what is more magickal thinking-wise: denying everything in the universe is made of dirt or saying man was created from it? the earth and everything in it (including man) was created from dust born in the fiery deaths of long dead stars.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

He is correct. You see, in the beginning there was basically only two atoms in the universe, hydrogen and helium. These fused together to cause stars. Now some stars known as Red giants had very short lifespans because they are so huge, and they burn up so much fuel. At the end of their life they begin to fuse together and heavier and heavier elements are formed until the star cannot contain itself anymore and it explodes in such a spectacular way that the light from that explosion may rival that of all the stars in the the galaxy with it.

You see, we are all made of star stuff (and yes, the Bible statement that we are all made of dirt, and will return to dust is correct - what do you have in a vase of a cremated person? If it isn't dust of the earth you are deluding yourself):

originally posted by: Develo
a reply to: GetHyped

Here's a newsflash: god did not write the bible because god is not a person.

Jehovah God is a person. The newsflash is that you think you know more than you do. You know nothing and yet judge. And Jehovah knows of your ignorance and pities you.

The only reason you exist and can think is because Jehovah created life.

Where do you think the universe and life comes from? If you think it came from nothing, you are wrong. There is no such thing as something coming from nothing. The newsflash is on you. It is good news. Because it means you don't have to die. And even if you do. You can live again.

originally posted by: iNobody
You see, we are all made of star stuff

I challenge you to find someone in this thread disagreeing with this.


I also challenge you to prove the bible meant "man was created from star stuff" when it's obvious it is our modern interpretation of this passage.



You have to put yourself in the shoes of someone back then if you want to understand how THEY read this part:

Back then, it was believed that the whole universe was made, not of atoms, but of 4 (5) elements.


These elements are symbolic of the various forces and states in the universe.

Fire and water are the positive and negative, the generative and the dissolving, the male and the female.

Earth and air are the material and spiritual, the inert and the living, what is below and what is above.

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Saying man was made from earth and ground dust and that life was breathed into his nostrils, well there is nothing surprising about that. It's basically how you would describe the apparition of life from a 4 elements point of view:

You take earth (lifeless form) and add breath to it (formless life) and then you get a fully working physical living being.



Trying to reconcile genesis and modern science, you guys are trying too hard. Genesis was written by storytellers, not scientists.

originally posted by: iNobody

Jehovah God is a person. The newsflash is that you think you know more than you do.

Every mystic from every religion who personally made the experience of god disagree with you. Even the mystics from the bible itself.


I will trust them over you if you don't mind

originally posted by: iNobody
The newsflash is that you think you know more than you do. You know nothing and yet judge. And Jehovah knows of your ignorance and pities you.

I invite you to re-read this sentence and contemplate the irony of it all. The only one I see here judging the other is you.

God knows of my ignorance and he does not pity me because he knows I will never bind him into something as constraining and frail as a "person".

If you need an anthropomorphic god so bad because you cannot fathom the true mystery of god, I can respect that, but do not assume everyone see god in a form as limited as a person.

a reply to: Develo

Dear Develo, you ask us to put ourselves into the shoes of those who wrote the passages of the Bible. Of course in this case you refer to Genesis. And that was one man. Moses. Raised in the house of Pharaoh, and later a Shepard in the wilderness for forty years.

This Shepard wrote down, under divine inspiration at the direction of angels the Genesis account of creation. Now looking at it from his shoes we will understand what it really means, and see if it is we who are grasping at straws.


(Genesis 1:1) . . .In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

There was a beginning to the universe. There is no way this nomad Shepard could have known this scientific fact. How long ago that beginning was is never related to him. But he knows, by divine inspiration there is a beginning. Science has shown that this universe indeed had a beginning. Many scientists call that birth of creation, which they can detect with scientific instruments, the Big Bang.

(Genesis 1:2) . . .Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

Now, obviously billions of years have passed since the creation of the universe, and our solar system has formed (from the death of a super red giant, the only star that can provide the heavy elements needed for life). At that point this planet must of looked much like its sister planet, Venus. With a thick atmosphere, so thick no light penetrated to the surface.


(Genesis 1:3-5) . . .And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

The creative forces that the angels used by means of God's active forces over the watery depths of earth's surface cleared up enough of the atmosphere that light from the sun in heaven which has already been in existence many billions of years, now penetrates the atmosphere.

(Genesis 1:6-8) . . .Then God said: “Let there be an expanse between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.” 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


There was a water canopy in the atmosphere above the earth, and there became a division between it and the water on the earth, or the oceans. The expanse above was called heaven (the sky). A second day came to pass.

These days, by the way are creative days, and lasted eons of time, and were not literal 24 hour days. Ignorant fool.

(Genesis 1:9-13) . . .Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, but the collecting of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. 12 And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds. Then God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.


Now finally the waters on the earth were collected together by God's angelic forces, molding the earth for life. And then land appeared. The land was called Earth. And then plant life was created.

The archaeological record shows that plant life is the first form of life to appear on earth. Was Moses, the Shepard, thousands of years in advance of his understanding of the fossil record?

What happened because of the production of plant based life within the carbon-dioxide rich atmosphere that most likely existed at that point? Yes, the clearing up of the atmosphere even more.


(Genesis 1:14-19) . . .Then God said: “Let there be luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night, and they will serve as signs for seasons and for days and years. 15 They will serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God went on to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. 17 Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth 18 and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness. Then God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.


The production of plant life cleared the atmosphere enough now that the luminaries in the heavens became visible to a person that might be on the planet surface. The sun's light reached the earth, as did the light of the moon at night. And also the stars.

Do you understand the scientific creative process that is being explained to you thousands of years ago, which cannot be disputed, but has only been proven by science? How did Moses the sheep-herder know this?

(Genesis 1:20-23) . . .Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.


After these things life in the sea appeared, and birds. Each one according to their kind. No gradual evolution involved.

Again the fossil record shows that, after plant life, sea life appeared, and then birds. Also all these changes were sudden, there is no gradual evolution in the fossil record. How does Moses, the ignorant sheep-herder of the desert continue to get it right?


(Genesis 1:24, 25) . . .Then God said: “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds, domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God went on to make the wild animals of the earth according to their kinds and the domestic animals according to their kinds and all the creeping animals of the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.


Then domestic and wild animals appeared according to their kinds. No gradual evolution from one to another. Rather according to their kinds. The fossil record again bears testimony that after sea life and birds appeared, land animals appeared. And there was never a gradual, evolution. In the fossil record it was sudden.

a reply to: iNobody


(Genesis 1:26-28) . . .Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”


Then finally man appeared on the scene.

According to the fossil record man is the latest to show on the world scene, Suddenly, with no gradual evolution.

How is the Genesis record so accurate and complete? How did a nomad sheep-herder know science better than many of those do, even today?

And you ask us to look at life according to his perspective?

And then ask if those who believe in the truth of Jehovah's word are grasping at straws.

Then you will grasp at a straw if you even read this. Because you have never been exposed to the truth. And it will stun you, if you fully comprehend it.

originally posted by: iNobody

This Shepard wrote down, under divine inspiration at the direction of angels the Genesis account of creation.

I'm sorry for you if you believe it was literally Moses who wrote Genesis, and that it wasn't a popular creation myth inside Jewish tribes long before Moses came along.


At least I know it's useless to try having a discussion with you since all your arguments are based on dogmas so there's no way we can have a rational discussion. You think your dogmas are the only truth, I can respect that but don't ask me to share your unsubstantiated views.

a reply to: Develo

No indeed. But you feel sorry you can't refute the evidence just shown you.

originally posted by: Develo
a reply to: GetHyped

Here's a newsflash: god did not write the bible because god is not a person.

I know, he's a fictional character. Still, apparently he made a right cock up. 3 books, each which disagree with each other?? Good work.

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: Develo
a reply to: GetHyped

Here's a newsflash: god did not write the bible because god is not a person.

I know, he's a fictional character. Still, apparently he made a right cock up. 3 books, each which disagree with each other?? Good work.

Hand-puppet much?

originally posted by: iNobody
a reply to: Develo

No indeed. But you feel sorry you can't refute the evidence just shown you.

Creation myths are proofs now

a reply to: Develo

And still, either of you, you or your hand-puppet are want to answer my reply. Is that enough? It is for anyone reading. It is for me. And it is for you.

originally posted by: iNobody
either of you, you or your hand-puppet

originally posted by: iNobody
You know nothing and yet judge.

sweet sweet irony

implicit in the thread title is the antithesis of "man was made of dust." that antithesis is ridiculous. both scientists and the faithful agree that we are made of dust. Scientists understand the origin of all matter is in the dust of creation hydrogen helium (perhaps also a tiny trace of lithium and beryllium but not much more than that) or from heavier matter generated in the death throes extinct stars that were made from that first coalesced matter.

The OP asks for anyone to show evidence we were created from dust. The evidence is a absolute bedrock fundamental of several scientific fields of study from cosmology to astronomy to physics and so on. no one with any form of scientific credentials says otherwise. We are made of dust. that is the end of the OP's question right there.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

He might also want to check someone's urn.

If not totally sure.

originally posted by: Develo

originally posted by: iNobody
either of you, you or your hand-puppet

originally posted by: iNobody
You know nothing and yet judge.

sweet sweet irony

You know the thing about sock-puppets. Either they have an agenda and don't care for the truth, or they are paid shills, and don't care for the truth, In any event. They don't care for the truth. So the evidence shown you has most likely never crossed before your nose, either because you yourself don't care for anything but what you think, or you have been paid off. If you've been paid off and are only a sock-puppet, then if you read it, you may be conflicted. If you are the former, you did not read the evidence provided, or did, and refused to acknowledge it because it shattered your paradigm.

And thus your words are of your own-self. For they are surely not of me.

If we can extract DNA from dead animals bones to revive species (in theory?)....what's to say aliens (God) didn't turn a monkey into the first man (Adam), extract DNA from his ribs, impregnate another monkey and make Eve?

I don't believe that for a second, just throwing it out there.....