Robust statistics on new scientific tests are dating Shroud of Turin on the time of Christ!

a reply to: randyvs

Mankind, the most intelligent being on the planet, can not reproduce, the image on the shroud.

Yes we can. Many have argued that it was produced by Leonardo Di Vinci, that he discovered the "photographic process". It can be reproduced through a photographic process, but it can't be reproduced by wrapping a cloth around a person or a statue, because it's only a 2D image. The 2D imagery is a real problem that the OP hasn't properly addressed.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

To be perfectly accurate? Ridiculous only from a certain point of view!
I'm sure you'll agree.

a reply to: The angel of light

I remember reading a book a while back, some might remember it. The point of the book was that the Catholic Church did not want this shroud to be that of Jesus. The reason for this lack of enthusiasm on the part of the church was because a forensic analysis of the shroud indicated that the person wrapped in the shroud was not dead at the time. The amount of blood at the points of the wounds was in excess of what would be normal for a body that was deceased. The amount of blood would suggest that the heart was still pumping.

The church didn’t like that this evidence called into question the whole resurrection story. As you know that is pretty central to the scam. So they wanted to suppress that

a reply to: windword

Hah! that's the weakest arguement on the table and says
nothing of reproduction. I'll paraphrase." It was produced by Leonardo,
But is the only thing HE"S ever done that can't be reproduced".
Totally lame.

a reply to: randyvs

It CAN be reproduced.

If the Bible is true, the body of Jesus was not wrapped in a single cloth, ergo, the Shroud is fake.

If the Bible is not true, there was no Jesus, Jesus was not "resurrected," ergo, the Shroud is fake.

If the Bible is both true and not true, there is no way to reconcile the matter conclusively without more data.

Oh, and the Shroud is fake.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Krazysh0t

To be perfectly accurate? Ridiculous only from a certain point of view!
I'm sure you'll agree.

No it is completely ridiculous no matter what view you look at it. One small hole isn't enough to topple all the other evidence that paints the picture that this is a forgery.

What you are doing is the equivalent of assembling a puzzle of the Last Supper except the pieces for Jesus' head are missing. Then when the puzzle is assembled minus the ones for Jesus' head, you claim that this isn't a picture of the Last Supper, because those missing pieces could be a picture of an alien. Uh yea... MAYBE, but in all likelihood it's a picture of the Last Supper.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: randyvs

It CAN be reproduced.

Because Windword says so! A big raspberry for that!

a reply to: Krazyshot

One small hole!

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: windword

Hah! that's the weakest arguement on the table and says
nothing of reproduction. I'll paraphrase." It was produced by Leonardo,
But is the only thing HE"S ever done that can't be reproduced".
Totally lame.

Scientists reproduce 'fake' Shroud of Turin to prove cloth is man-made

Italian chemist Luigi Garlaschelli said his experiment proves that earlier carbon dating of the shroud to the 14th century was correct.

He used materials and techniques that were available in the Middle Ages to explain how a negative image of a crucified man could be imprinted centuries before the invention of photography.

Professor Garlaschelli today said: ‘Many still believe that the shroud has unexplainable characteristics that cannot be reproduced by human means.

‘But the result obtained clearly indicates that this could be done with the use of inexpensive materials and with a quite simple procedure.’

originally posted by: randyvs

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: randyvs

It CAN be reproduced.

Because Windword says so! A big raspberry for that!

Grow up! It's too early in the morning for alcohol!

Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin

Does anybody else find it ironic that Christians are willing to use carbon dating to prove the shroud is actually from that time period, when they won't accept the same science regarding earth being more than 6 thousand years old?

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

The science only matters when it agrees with them. That is how confirmation bias works.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh well the guy who had nothing to do with testing
the actual material (grasping at straws? ) should be
believed then. Someone krazyshot one right thru you
me thinks.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I find it odd that you're deflecting with a mirror tenth.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh well the guy who had nothing to do with testing
the actual material (grasping at straws? ) should be
believed then. Someone krazyshot one right thru you
me thinks.

What are you talking about? The scientist uses materials of the time to reproduce an image just like the original which shows that such an image CAN be made during those times. This literally fills the hole you were JUST talking about. If we can demonstrate that an image can be produced, then that's all we need. Stamp it hoax. There is nothing left to argue.

ETA: Why does it matter so much if this Shroud is real or not? Being proved a hoax doesn't disprove that Jesus existed no more than Piltdown Man being shown to be a hoax disproves Evolution. Just accept the evidence and move on. It shouldn't shake your faith at all.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I find it odd that your deflecting with a mirror tenth.

Oh come now, I'm not deflecting anything. I do believe Jesus existed, I just don't think he was the son of God. So they can carbon date all they want and claim it's Jesus and it very well might be.

The rest is what I'm very skeptical of.

It's just funny to me that if I pull a fossil out of the ground and tell some people that' it's 40 million years old, using carbon dating, that they would scoff because of bad science. Yet accept it all the same in this case.

Don't you find that ironic?

~Tenth

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: randyvs

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: randyvs

It CAN be reproduced.

Because Windword says so! A big raspberry for that!

Grow up! It's too early in the morning for alcohol!

Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin

Same guy twice?

" Luigi Garlaschelli,

From 2009 ? And only because he said so?
Laughable and reaching.

a reply to: randyvs

He didn't just "say so", he created an experiment, tested it, and published his results.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

See Tenth, now you're talking to me. And I have made no
claim that this proves the resurrection occurred. I think
many scholars do a good enough job of that. But in the
Bible it says the body was annointed with oils before it
was laid to rest. And I have pondered extensively about
that. Perhaps to combine certain oils is the answer?