Black Men Commit Nearly Half of the Murders in the United States

originally posted by: canucks555
IMO this sh# that we've all heard a million times doesn't belong on this forum. For redundancy sake

Yeah so ignore the big honking problem stareing socity in the face.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

We had that particular discussion here a few months ago.

Here is my take

Its not gentics or being black thats the problem.


Its black or "urban" culture.

Its encourages gangs, violence, underacheiving and tribalism.

If a child is brough up with that influence all around them, especialy in a broken home its going to cause problems.


Its simply the enviroment.

a reply to: crazyewok

Fair enough.

How many of the 40 million or so African Americans are a part of "Urban" culture?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: crazyewok

Fair enough.

How many of the 40 million or so African Americans are a part of "Urban" culture?

How many live in the ghettos and deprived areas ? As that were it is prevelent.


Its not a case of being part of it but being born into as the enviroment is around them from the beguining.


If you compared blacks who live in middleclass affluent areas to blacks in the poor areas the crime rates of those in the more affluent areas would likely I bet be on par with the rest of socity as they are removed from that toxic enviroment.

a reply to: crazyewok

Right, so that's what I was asking ... where (in your mind) the line is drawn between the simple fact of being African American and being "Urban."

So, for example. I live in Atlanta, GA. The second largest population of African Americans lives here (after NYC). There are many Black neighborhoods in the city that are suburban/middle-class affluent. But, there are also some areas that conform to your idea about Urban ... and in some cases they mix.

I'm suggesting that there might be more levels than merely "Urban" or middle-class American ... i.e. either/or.

Does that make sense?

a reply to: Gryphon66

The line is when you walk into that neigbourhood do you feel safe.

Or to put it more precise.

If it is a high crime rate neigbour hood then its "urban" culture in nature. Especialy gang related crime.

Or if its area which is hostile to whites or other ethnicities,

The black murder rate is the crowning achievement of liberal progressives social policy going back 50 years. All these issues stem from LBJs War on Poverty that essentially removed black men from the home in order to get government benefits creating a culture of baby mamas that has resulted in nearly 80% of black kids being born out of wedlock.

Kids born with no fathers in the house are far more likely to grow up poor, under educated, and fall into a life of crime. So when you have 80% of a community starting off from square one with no fathers around, you are bound to get some real phucked up results.

50 years ago prior to the war on poverty, the black out of wedlock birth rate was about 25% and even then it was considered a travesty. Liberal Senator Daniel Moynihan wrote his ground breaking report 50 years ago warning that the breakdown of the black family would lead to devastating results.

What you see today in urban environments is just the end result of liberal social policy.

a reply to: crazyewok

Its black or "urban" culture.

It's not black or urban culture. Black culture in this country is rich and filled with a vibrant history. And now your broad stroking it with a recently created form of music. Rap isn't a culture. Idiots are going to do stupid things no matter their age, religion, sex, or which is their dominant hand.

No.

a reply to: TechniXcality

That's not racist. Just a dumb and ignorant statement with no grounding in reality.

But go ahead and continue blaming societies woo's on 12-14% of the population while the majority sits in the 70%+ category.

a reply to: TechniXcality

That's not racist. Just a dumb and ignorant statement with no grounding in reality.

But go ahead and continue blaming societies woo's on 12-14% of the population while the majority sits in the 70%+ category.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: crazyewok

Its black or "urban" culture.

It's not black or urban culture. Black culture in this country is rich and filled with a vibrant history. And now your broad stroking it with a recently created form of music. Rap isn't a culture. Idiots are going to do stupid things no matter their age, religion, sex, or which is their dominant hand.

No.

A culture is basicaly a group people with similiar historys, art and traditions.

If history crime and proverty, arts of rap and hip hop and tradition of violence is endemic to area Id call that a culture albit a bad one.

End of the day ratio wise more blacks are in prison than whites.

So how do you explain that?

You have two roads:
Genetics which is quite frankly a dangrous road to go down

Or

Enviroment.

I go with enviroment.
If people are brough up in a negative enviroment that encourages violence, crime and gangs that will be the end redult.

originally posted by: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
a reply to: Aazadan

So you are saying that being poor gives you an excuse to murder someone? Nice!

An excuse? No. But it provides a motivator as you have no upward mobility to lawfully earn things, that causes people to take from others, sometimes violently. Throw in a healthy dose of urban culture like rap, poor schools, and gang culture and what you get is a population that doesn't adhere to the laws.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
If poverty was the cause then we would have a large amount of American Indian homicides well beyond blacks since they are the poorest of all.

Look at the cultures each live in. Compare the inner city to a reservation.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
True story. They also produce more geniuses and creators. Is there a correlation between violence and art? Perhaps for another thread.

Considering that throughout history much of the world was a patriarchal society and often times it still is perhaps men have simply been given more opportunity? The Polgar sisters are a pretty good example that genius is created, people have just put more effort into creating male geniuses.

a reply to: crazyewok

... and what I'm reporting to you, is that the situation isn't that simple.

Some inner city neighborhoods are like warzones, I understand what you're saying.

But that, in Atlanta at least, is probably like 1 in 20 or so.

If were going to speak of an average neighborhood here, predominantly Black, it would be a lower-to-middle-middle class neighborhood with decent smaller sized 3/2 homes, the folks with relatively modern cars, good people going to work and trying to make a living ... just like everyone else.

One of the "least safe" areas of the city is actually a hipster/alternative style area ...

I'm just letting you know that there are levels and degrees in what you're talking about, culturally ... it's just not "either/or."

Best,

a reply to: Edumakated

You need to practice your spiel a bit more.


For the "welfare destroyed black families' bit, you're supposed to be harking back to the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (key words 1930s, Roosevelt, New Deal, socialism, communism, ismisms) as part of the original Social Security Act. You know, the one that helped single mothers with kids where fathers had left, died, what have you.

LBJ's legacy is the Food Stamp program, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., mostly focuses betterment in heath care and education.

And the "War on Poverty" is not a great lead for your arguments, because in fact the portion of Americans living below the poverty line dropped dramatically in the decade after these programs were implemented.

(PS: You really want to avoid the fact that in the mid-1990s the entire "Welfare" program (both New Deal and War on Poverty versions) was basically discarded and reformulated in the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. Your argument pretty much completely falls apart at that point. Shhhh; I won't tell.)

a reply to: cenpuppie

Dumb and Ignorant I already stated I didn't wish to defend it get out of here with that # woman

originally posted by: Gryphon66

If we want to compare CRIMES PER CAPITA then we have to use the same PER CAPITA or we're skewing (cheating) the results.

White Arrests/Total Population 6,578,133 / 308,745,538 = 0.0213 or 2.13%

Black Arrests/Total Population 2,697,539 / 308,745,538 = 0.0087 or 0.87%

NOW, do the factor comparison of White to Black, with fair ratios based on population:

2.13 / 0.87 = 2.45 or expressed as a percentage 245%

So, considering ALL CRIMES (as recorded by FBI stats) PER TOTAL CAPITA (US POPULATION) it is quite clear that Whites commit 2.45 times or 245% as many crimes as do Blacks.

See what you can do with numbers?

Lol even a used car salesman wouldn't use your logic...

So after blah...blah....blah... you are right that whites commit more crime per capita, and I thank you for pointing out the huge disparity in that blacks commit way more crime than they should. Your 245% for whites should be 600% if blacks actually committed the amount of crime equal to their population percentage...hehe

a reply to: Foderalover

and nearly 50% of the US population has German ancestry what's your point racist?