Secret Rendition Sites, For US Citizens, Confirmed Inside the US.

originally posted by: whatsup86

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot

originally posted by: mister.old.school

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot
There ain't none here in the U.S. Just a conspiracy nut's wet dream.

This is the previously secret Memorandum of Understanding between the Hudson River Park Trust and the NYPD, granting the NYPD the use of the infamous Pier 57 as a "holding center" during the Republican National Convention.

Until the complaints and FOIA request, Pier 57 was used after the convention, for several months, as a clandestine location for the abuse of suspects.

...and exactly where does it say that Pier 40 or 57 will be used to illegally detain American civilians?

In fact, the document you posted states specifically that the site(s) will NOT be used as a secondary arrest and detention center...

but, keep stroking yourself in the wet dream.

...and, the Hudson River Trust is a private entity. How exactly would the big bad NYPD keep the detention of American civilians, in contravention of U.S. law, SECRET?!

Maybe they've conspired with the Sanitation Dept. with whom NYPD was required to contract in order to clean up the trash?

How do you get taken serious if you act like secrets or conspiracies dont exist?

Oh, secrets do exist. I'm sure a few conspiracies do as well.....

However, seeing boogeymen behind EVERY corner does no one any good. Especially when the "proof" is anything but.

Did you even look at the "secret" memo which I was referencing?

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot

originally posted by: mister.old.school

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot
There ain't none here in the U.S. Just a conspiracy nut's wet dream.

This is the previously secret Memorandum of Understanding between the Hudson River Park Trust and the NYPD, granting the NYPD the use of the infamous Pier 57 as a "holding center" during the Republican National Convention.

Until the complaints and FOIA request, Pier 57 was used after the convention, for several months, as a clandestine location for the abuse of suspects.

...and exactly where does it say that Pier 40 or 57 will be used to illegally detain American civilians?

In fact, the document you posted states specifically that the site(s) will NOT be used as a secondary arrest and detention center...

but, keep stroking yourself in the wet dream.

...and, the Hudson River Trust is a private entity. How exactly would the big bad NYPD keep the detention of American civilians, in contravention of U.S. law, SECRET?!

Maybe they've conspired with the Sanitation Dept. with whom NYPD was required to contract in order to clean up the trash?

Bigfoot has more evidence than this thread, nobody here wants to wake up to reality when the author of the thread, known for hateful threads on America, is weaving such an incredible tale. Oh, and some dude thinks people are villains for seeing through this poorly made hit piece, then goes on to threaten with the imaginary threat of this story, in the words of lefty radical MSNBC's Kieth Obberman yesterday which got him suspended....."pathetic".

This story is just a pro demonstrator piece, why else does it mention all the talking points. Big army surplus vehicles, police departments getting returning surplus weapons, the main accuser is a convicted rioter who pled guilty to possession of an incendiary device.

I remember when I raised concerns about this back in 2001 I was told, "how dare You question the President in a time of war?" and "Why do you hate America?" It's kind of different when you take the flag off and wake up, isn't it.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

I have NEVER called someone a government shill before. even when I violently disagree with someone......but that may change....

Fact is most people on this thread are finding it hard to believe I do too.
And what we want is further investigation.

The fact that your doing your best to deflect the issue to off topic foreign affairs and doing you absolute best to to discourage any further investigation into the matter or label those that want the matter looked into "anti American" raises alarm bell.

Even if one does not believe it true they should AT LEAST be wanting the matter investigated even if its to just to confirm nothing is going on.

So why dont a bunch of people crowd around one of these places and hold a protest and get the word out? It's a rhetorical question. I'm making a suggestion.

Just a moment, there's someone at the door. And at 6:35 am, thats odd... Brb. (its just a joke... for now O.O)

None of that concluded to "black sites" or any wrong doing. Law enforcement is allowed a certain period to detain you without charges usually 72 hours in most states in the US but some states like California only 48 hours. They also do not have to allow you to call a lawyer until you have been charged and booked. By the wording of that article it sounds like he was able to call his lawyer after being charged. And where was the "abuse"???

Not saying there aren't black sites in the US but I can guarantee you that law enforcement does not have access too or even know of them. You think they'd trust an officer with that knowledge? Uhhhh no!

Edit: I had to go back and read it and this guy was only there "the better part of a day" lol smh wow yeah that's abuse alright. I have friends that were detained the better part of the day due to law enforcement investigating their child's broken arm as an abuse thing. They noticed their daughters arm being red took her to the hospital and found out it was broke. Not knowing how it happened the hospital had to report it. My point being is that people are held for the better part of a day ALLLLLL THE TIME..nothing illegal with that. A pain in the @ss sure! But illegal ? No. This post/article is reaching way too far

Interesting the government's agencies can be called "BLACK" without Al Sharpton calling out about racist nomenclanomenclatures.

We see more and more of our country's humanity stripped away, daily.

originally posted by: Baltazar84
Law enforcement is allowed a certain period to detain you without charges usually 72 hours in most states in the US but some states like California only 48 hours.

A really readable description of the practice from Case Western law school...lots of useful info I didn't know. Warning: PDF

originally posted by: nullafides

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
And the steady anti-US rhetoric goes on.
Get rid of police? That would fit fully with the real conspiracy of anarchists at work in the US.

Actually, I'd beg to differ. I believe that what you are calling "anti-US rhetoric" is actually the lifeblood of America. The distillate, if you will.

We were born of rebellion. And this, most certainly, is a cause for rebellion. Amongst many, many others.

Don't worry, the rebellion is coming whether people want it or not - I'm expecting it by 2020 into 2022. Of course, the question has to be will it be a peaceful rebellion or a violent one?

a reply to: WCmutant

I have very little faith that a "peaceful" response would yield actual results.

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: WCmutant

I have very little faith that a "peaceful" response would yield actual results.

I disagree, we can defang the socialist (or fascist, whatever moniker you feel comfortable with) police state by simply slashing budgets across the board.

We should become more responsible for ourselves and prove it by minimizing our local governments.

Simultaneously, we should try to get a Libertarian president but, I don't have much confidence in that and, frankly, there isn't much that a president can do to repair damage to our society, presidents seem to only be able to cause damage.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: WCmutant

I have very little faith that a "peaceful" response would yield actual results.

I disagree, we can defang the socialist (or fascist, whatever moniker you feel comfortable with) police state by simply slashing budgets across the board.

We should become more responsible for ourselves and prove it by minimizing our local governments.

Simultaneously, we should try to get a Libertarian president but, I don't have much confidence in that and, frankly, there isn't much that a president can do to repair damage to our society, presidents seem to only be able to cause damage.

Much like orifices, everyone has an opinion.

Welcome to yours.

originally posted by: nullafides

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: WCmutant

I have very little faith that a "peaceful" response would yield actual results.

I disagree, we can defang the socialist (or fascist, whatever moniker you feel comfortable with) police state by simply slashing budgets across the board.

We should become more responsible for ourselves and prove it by minimizing our local governments.

Simultaneously, we should try to get a Libertarian president but, I don't have much confidence in that and, frankly, there isn't much that a president can do to repair damage to our society, presidents seem to only be able to cause damage.

Much like orifices, everyone has an opinion.

Welcome to yours.

Well said.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: nullafides


Much like orifices, everyone has an opinion.

Welcome to yours.

Well said.

Hey, thanks

I've come to accept the idea that for as unique of a snowflake [insert sarcasm here] we all are, there are a gajillion others out there, too. And whereas I see something one way, undoubtedly someone will counter it.

C'est la vie.

I've also come to accept the idea that my days of idealism are over. I am a jaded man. Whereas I see hope in the individual, I see the possibility of such on a species wide scale (or culture/society/etc) as being very very close to nil.


Hey, invite me to your next party...I'm great with kids!

a reply to: nullafides

Maybe you should read my posts.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: nullafides

You are well on your way to becoming a socialist, keep it up.

Ok, let's take a moment to review.

I made a comment espousing my opinion.

You responded with an opposite opinion.

I said you're welcome to yours, as am I.

You said it was well stated.

I thanked you, and then added a bit of my own perspective. Not as an attempt to sway or prove "right", moreso as an explanation.


And your response is to label? And to call me a "socialist" which I don't think is up there with "Wow, you're pretty!"




To be perfectly blunt, I'm being rather polite. Not only now, but in also in my response to your counter opinion.

The things transpiring via the conversation in my head right now would be found thoroughly unacceptable here.


Given the effort I am digging up to remain polite, I truly wish you would attempt a bit of self reflection and respectfully equal determination and energy expenditure to meet me half way here.


Try being polite, or at least anything but a jerk.

a reply to: nullafides

Physician heal thyself.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: nullafides

Maybe you should read my posts.

Nice bit of editing there

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: nullafides

Physician heal thyself.

WTF is your issue?

originally posted by: nullafides

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: nullafides

Maybe you should read my posts.

Nice bit of editing there

Yes, because I just assumed you were a socialist. I will put it back if it is true.