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For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
-Jesus Christ
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: borntowatch
Read it again. Blind means no sight. Those who walk by faith and NOT sight are walking by blind (no sight) faith.
Very simple concept, very easy to understand, and very self-explanatory.
Nowhere in the bible are Christians told not to question God
However, there is no evidence to the contrary of there being a God of the universe.
About the fruit trees in creation. You're going by texts that are thousands of years old, translated as best they could be, comparing ancient language to the language of today. Relying on the exact translation of a text transcribed by man, to prove or disprove a theory, narrowing it down to fruit trees, is a little over the top.
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: borntowatch
Nowhere in the bible are Christians told not to question God
This seems suggestive of that:
Romans 9:20 NIV
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe
Good. We agree on what faith means then.
However, there is no evidence to the contrary of there being a God of the universe.
I consistently say on ATS that we cannot disprove ‘god’ with science. Since science cannot address the supernatural [outside of nature].
God-belief itself is separate from belief in any religious god. As one can believe in a creator god and not in any religious doctrine.
About the fruit trees in creation. You're going by texts that are thousands of years old, translated as best they could be, comparing ancient language to the language of today. Relying on the exact translation of a text transcribed by man, to prove or disprove a theory, narrowing it down to fruit trees, is a little over the top.
No.
By all means look of the exact verses. Look up Day 3 and Day 4 in Genesis in the Latin Vulgate. It WILL corroborate exactly what I said.
I will do it for you if you want!
Now if the growing fruit trees in freezing conditions without sunlight is “over the top” to you then address this:
Genesis says the Sun and all stars are made after Earth.
That couldn’t be more contrary to science.
Again verify that in the Latin Vulgate. Or A closer translation from Hebrew if you wish. By all means prove me wrong!
Ok, first lets clear up what is "science”?
Scientifically nothing has been proven about the universe.
Tell me what has been proven?
If I believe in an all-powerful God, could I not believe that he caused billions of years to occur in a week, hour, minute, or seconds?
.
Science has been grasping for evidence to refute there being a God
More about God and the Bible can be proven than any existence of UFOs. But still people believe in UFOs.
What is it about the Bible that people are trying so hard to disprove?
That's my flavor of choice at Baskin Robbins.
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe
Ok, first lets clear up what is "science”?
Science is that wonderful stuff we use to produce most of what you and other religious people enjoy on a daily basis. That device you used to ask me that question was quite the scientific achievement, and continues to be one, for instance.
Isnt it funny how atheists want to possess science as their own little achievement
It was early Christianity who started public education and the fields of science flowered from this achievement.
The only time science and Christianity seem to butt heads is in the evolution debate, so easy there buddy.
You dont own science and cant claim it.